Views Of Muslims

[sexyartylust]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

youre getting mixed up with sikhs ! sikhs carry a knife with them as part of their religion.

muslims, regardless of the modern day brainwashed douches, are taught not to fight unless provoked.

as for not questioning religion, in the Koran, regardless of people actually doing it or not, the koran encourages muslims to question most things and seek further knowlege to corroborate ones belief, paraphrasing a quote from the koran "READ, go read and then follow based on your own judgment, someone who follows based on others preaching is nothing short of a sheep". A common theme in the Koran is that Muslims should thrive on learning. This was perhaps more obvious in practice back in the day as Muslims were at the forefront of many scientific findings. However, as time went on, Muslims became more lazy and have reverted back to being sheep.

Seriously, the Koran imo is a GREAT piece of text. if read in the right mindframe, i.e applying historical context and reading it with an open mind, one will find it a very intellectual, tolerable and human rights book.

all the one liners about womens rights, wars people see on the news are pulled way out of context and it omits the beginning and end of the paragraphs. i.e In the UK, it is law that one cannot kill another human being UNLESS it is in self denfence, where killing the attacker is justified. similarly, if I was to just pull up the " killing ...is justified" would be a warped definition of English law. I see this happening every day be it in media against the muslims, or by radical muslims brainwashing ordinary muslims. If people really want to know mor about islam , be it muslims or non muslims, the quran and learning a bit about the history then would answer all their queries

 

[georges]

The burqa is one example of the behavior of Muslims in a foreign counrty. When you migrate in another country, you have to adapt to the customs and habits in the country where you migrated in and not trying to impose the rules of the country you are from.

 

[mrtrebus]

The burqa is one example of the behavior of Muslims in a foreign counrty. When You Migrate in another country, you have to adapt to the customs and habits in the country where You Migrated in and not trying to impose the rules of the country you are from.

Its not imposing, are they trying to get you to wear a burqa?!?
If you moved to another country would you give up all your customs & habits?
& there is a difference between customs & habits & 'rules'.

 

[mrtrebus]

youre getting mixed up with sikhs ! sikhs carry a knife with them as part of their religion.

muslims, regardless of the modern day brainwashed douches, are taught not to fight unless provoked.

as for not questioning religion, in the Koran, regardless of people actually doing it or not, the koran encourages muslims to question most things and seek further knowlege to corroborate ones belief, paraphrasing a quote from the koran "READ, go read and then follow based on your own judgment, someone who follows based on others preaching is nothing short of a sheep". A common theme in the Koran is that Muslims should thrive on learning. This was perhaps more obvious in practice back in the day as Muslims were at the forefront of many scientific findings. However, as time went on, Muslims became more lazy and have reverted back to being sheep.

Seriously, the Koran imo is a GREAT piece of text. if read in the right mindframe, i.e applying historical context and reading it with an open mind, one will find it a very intellectual, tolerable and human rights book.

all the one liners about womens rights, wars people see on the news are pulled way out of context and it omits the beginning and end of the paragraphs. i.e In the UK, it is law that one cannot kill another human being UNLESS it is in self denfence, where killing the attacker is justified. similarly, if I was to just pull up the " killing ...is justified" would be a warped definition of English law. I see this happening every day be it in media against the muslims, or by radical muslims brainwashing ordinary muslims. If people really want to know mor about islam , be it muslims or non muslims, the quran and learning a bit about the history then would answer all their queries

Good point well made.
Although none of the sikh people I know carry knives, maybe I should think twice when we disagree about something!!

 

[sexyartylust]

thanks.

as for the sikhs and knives issue, it is part of their 5 K's. a brief description can be found on this link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism/customs/fiveks.shtml

 

[busenbust]

Good/Bad/ (Ugly LOL:1orglaugh ) in all races and creeds. If it's (dis)similar, people (fear), share/care. :my2cents:

 

[Serpent7]

In my mind I see Muslims as a problem, however I've worked with many over the years and I've always got on well with them.

It is a case of a few spoiling it for the rest. Lets hope so anyway...

Wow, I cant believe this was actually thought, and even more so typed... But to each his own...


I myself am not Muslim and have not studied its dogma yet, however to get a "good" answer to your question you must direct it to a Muslim, or Muslims. Example: You would'nt seek someone who is devoriced questions on how to stay married would you? So most of the answers here (unless they are truly Muslim, and follow the Muslim faith) aas much as I enjoy reading I cannot except, however I do know this; there is good and bad in everywhere, and within everyone. It dosent matter your religion, sex, date of birth, ethnicity, zodiac sign, etc... ALL PEOPLE ARE GOOD AND BAD. IMO, it is extremely shallow to thing one group of people(s) is "bad". It has nothing to do with there group affiliation, but more to do with that spicific person, or personal taste. Example: All Pitbulls are not mean dogs, all Poodles are not nice.

Please, please, please I ask all folks when speaking about or for other people do not assume. If you dont know, just ask (like the OP did), but sometimes it helps to ask the right people.

 

[Serpent7]

They are like every other group of people. Some are good and some are bad.

I didnt see this, and so well put :thumbsup:

 

[lovejoy]

The burqa is one example of the behavior of Muslims in a foreign counrty. When you migrate in another country, you have to adapt to the customs and habits in the country where you migrated in and not trying to impose the rules of the country you are from.

Burqa should be banned in every western country.

There are cases criminals from Somali wearing Burqa to escape from U.K.

Men wears burqa to commit crimes.

Do you know there is a law written in stone that it is a crime to wear hoodies/or cover to commit crimes !!!

Burqa is a disgrace to women, a supression of women in the west.

Indian women wear their traditional clothings across America but they don't cover the face. And Indian women are very traditional.

So what is the beef with Muslim women wearing burqa.

Muslim women burqa are banned from voting booth, testify in court and more....

UPS United Parcels Service has banned Muslim women wearing burqa to work in the warehouse and the Muslim women must NOT wear clothing all the way down to the ankle.

It is for their safety and has nothing to do with discrimination against Muslim.

 

[lovejoy]

France also ban head scarf in school all over France!

From my own personal experiences, Somali Muslims are a problem in America, real big problem !

 

[mrtrebus]

:nono:
The only influence the west should have over the burqa is when women are coerced into wearing it, then we should support their choice not to wear it, just in the same way we should support those women who choose to wear it. just as we should support anyone who wears an item of clothing on religious/cultural grounds. Banning would be counterproductive

 

[tittenman]

Wow my naive friend I hope you can run very fast and hide very well, because the suicide squads in all the dark places on the earth may be coming to get some time soon.

Good or do they look bad? Look bad in a fashion sense, perception wise. I assume you mean public perception. As many before me have already put it there are good and bad people in all walks of life. Christians and Jews to name two closely related groups will have moderate as well as what you can call extreme fringe elements hell bent of twisting the agenda in their own mould. Unfortunately when these extreme fringes in any group start to voice their policies through either propaganda or actions, they often hijack the whole group and the good perception of the majority often becomes heavily tarnished by the actions of this minority.

My conclusion is this overall you will find that they are a moderate balanced group of people whom have unfortunately a extreme fringe element who because of their actions seem to naturally court all of the media publicity for their own gain. After all what makes better news a few hundred helped by a charity cause , or a few hundred killed as a result of an religious atrocity?

 

[mrtrebus]

Isn't there a color "code" involved with turbans ? (for rank, age etc. ?)

Spoke to my mate at work about this, she said as far as she knows there isn't any strict colour code for day to day wear. Her brother does colour coordinate his turban with what he's wearing, but according to her he's the vainest man on earth! Her husband sticks to black. Red is worn at weddings & white at funerals as its the colour of mourning.

 

[sexyartylust]

Post deleted by moderator pussy+dickdenice.

i still dont get how ignorant, disrespectful and uneducated people like you can function the internet and write text. use the internet, learn a bit of history, learn how to get your point across in a respectful manner. get your facts right before disrespecting 2 billion peoples faith.

 

[TheBurglar]

Living in the Detroit area I've met many. Growing up had a few that I could call freinds. These friends were some of the most generous people I've ever met.

I'd be interested to know as Muslims immigrate to countries with religious freedom how many stay with the religion per generation per gender. Just something I've always wondered. Its probably like any group though. People tend to assimilate over time.

 

[ajitpd]

Are both turbans as well as muslim "head dressing" manually wrapped by hand ?

As mentioned by someone earlier turbans are religious dress of sikhs. Most of the are wrapped by hand. I guess there some which you can buy "pre-wrapped" but I am not so sure.

Historically, some lose forms of turbans have been worn by Muslims in extremely hot weather for practical reasons, rather than under any religious obligation. In exteremly hot and predominantly sunny weather, a protection for head from direct sun is very important. That's where Arabs get their cultural head dressing. Arabs brought some lose forms of their head dressing from Arab to South Asia where they were adopted in their present form of turbans by the founders of Sikhism. Now, tightly worn turbans are religious symbols of Sikhs only.

 

[ajitpd]

Muslims are mostly Arabs and Osama bin laden is an Arab. We did not attack them nor we have beef with him. But they have beef with the West.

You are so wrong here, my friend. Only 15% of muslims are Arabs. Around 85% of them are non-Arabs. See http://islam.about.com/b/2005/06/28/myth-3-most-muslims-are-arabs.htm. Hell, the only muslim country to have nuclear power is non-arab.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

People say all kinds of horrid things about Christianity, Judaism and Scientology all day long on these threads and I get my post about Mohammed marrying a nine year old girl named Aisha when he was in his fifties erased and neg repped because someone was offended? Oh, yeah. I guess I posed it in a really pointed way.

I was expressing my view of muslims and I think the people here are too worried about being perceived as islamophobic. Yes the comment was a little inflammatory but I thought this was an open forum. If someone had challenged me to back up my comment I would have come up with documented accounts of Mohammed's marriage including exerpts of his own writing.

I understand there are going to be apologists for almost every belief or topic and they will undoubtedly be offended by everything even slightly different from their point of view but by retroactively censoring unpopular speech or writing does very little to further understanding and sympathy to their cause. It is an insidious way to entrench a belief system into each society that I find abhorring. Too many people are fearful of reprisal for telling the truth about any religion let alone the "religion of peace."

I've been to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq and a few other countries where Islam is the predominant religion and the only countries in that region that were even remotely tolerant of other belief systems were the UAE (because they love the money we bring with us) Lebanon, Israel and strangely enough, Iraq. Maybe Turkey, too, but I've never been there so I can't comment on them.

Maybe I posted a little too hastily before without expounding on my statement but I disagree with the claim that it was worth the negative rep.

Just so you understand I have been outspoken about many different beliefs and practices I will include links to a couple of posts that I've seen and some I've posted that show images that have colored a lot of people's opinions about Islam, Christianity and God in general.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2675292&postcount=295
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849444&postcount=522
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849447&postcount=523

I am a lapsed Catholic myself and I giggled the whole time I was preparing this one:
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849460&postcount=527

Where were all the Christians at when this was posted?
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2850604&postcount=544

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2853231&postcount=564
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2869556&postcount=574
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2869563&postcount=575
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3285847&postcount=1358


So my view of Muslims is now this: They are very tolerant of every belief, as long as you believe in everything they say.

 

[Supafly]

That's when sacrifices were acceptable. They aren't needed now.

Worshipping the sun, moon, and so on are still against the Bible.
But, tell that to Bush and the others in the Illuminati.

:hatsoff:

Dude, that's what I call double-talk

As a fellow member stated:

If god (or: gods) is/are allmighty, why do we have to rely on books and hearsay from millenia ago? I will start to believ if he appears at my home and talks to me.

As he/she/it didn't do so yet, I don't believe in them and that's it.

I believe in the Hot Dog Boy :wave:

 

[sexyartylust]

People say all kinds of horrid things about Christianity, Judaism and Scientology all day long on these threads and I get my post about Mohammed marrying a nine year old girl named Aisha when he was in his fifties erased and neg repped because someone was offended? Oh, yeah. I guess I posed it in a really pointed way.

I was expressing my view of muslims and I think the people here are too worried about being perceived as islamophobic. Yes the comment was a little inflammatory but I thought this was an open forum. If someone had challenged me to back up my comment I would have come up with documented accounts of Mohammed's marriage including exerpts of his own writing.

I understand there are going to be apologists for almost every belief or topic and they will undoubtedly be offended by everything even slightly different from their point of view but by retroactively censoring unpopular speech or writing does very little to further understanding and sympathy to their cause. It is an insidious way to entrench a belief system into each society that I find abhorring. Too many people are fearful of reprisal for telling the truth about any religion let alone the "religion of peace."

I've been to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq and a few other countries where Islam is the predominant religion and the only countries in that region that were even remotely tolerant of other belief systems were the UAE (because they love the money we bring with us) Lebanon, Israel and strangely enough, Iraq. Maybe Turkey, too, but I've never been there so I can't comment on them.

Maybe I posted a little too hastily before without expounding on my statement but I disagree with the claim that it was worth the negative rep.

Just so you understand I have been outspoken about many different beliefs and practices I will include links to a couple of posts that I've seen and some I've posted that show images that have colored a lot of people's opinions about Islam, Christianity and God in general.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2675292&postcount=295
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849444&postcount=522
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849447&postcount=523

I am a lapsed Catholic myself and I giggled the whole time I was preparing this one:
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2849460&postcount=527

Where were all the Christians at when this was posted?
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2850604&postcount=544

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2853231&postcount=564
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2869556&postcount=574
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2869563&postcount=575
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3285847&postcount=1358


So my view of Muslims is now this: They are very tolerant of every belief, as long as you believe in everything they say.

1. youre talking about muslim as they are one entity and that one muslims action represents all muslims actions. some muslims are tolerant some are not. some catholics are tolerant, some are not. some jews are tolerant some are not. You see where I am going with this. Just how America was not wholly represented by the blood hungry bush administrations, similarly, saudi areabi, iraq should not and are not demographically represented by the backwards Saud family and what was Sadam. Sadam was a fricking dictator. Have you ever been Indonesia, malaysia ?

2. what is this money that you bring in to dubai ? in short, the UAE is oil rich and majority of its money comes from its port hubs. only about 15 % of its economy is tourist driven. the UAE's (dubai) leaders have a vision of educating their youth and being more tolerant and living in peace with non muslims. granted its not fully developed, but I would remind you that Dubai is a 40 year old country. America and UK are far older, and ONLY JUST RECENTLY in its long history, the uk and US have given women and ethnics equal rights. what many westerners forget is that alot of the muslim countries are starting from scratch almost after british rule, wars, the western counties expoliting their resources etc. give them a break, the suffregette(sp) movement did not achieve womens right over night, neither did martin luther king. just because your countries have achieved so much in its recent histories, dont pressure or judge other countries for its youth, it still has a long way to go. forcing someone to believe what you do is bullying, you should instead lead by example.

3. about the prophet marrying aisha who was 9 years of age. no one is contesting that. what i am contesting is that the prophet did not consemate the marriage with her as she was still young. if you did squat research of arabia 1500 years ago, you would note that it was customary for girls to be married off young, namely becuase families were poor and the girl would have a better life if they were married off with a man who could care for them. The prophet was asked by his best friend Abu Bakr, to marry his daughter aged 9. The prophet said yes as she was a sweet girl and was his friends daughter and she would have a secured future. he did not have sex with her.
anyway, I will entertain your warped assertion, even if he did, it is paedophilia based on TODAYS viewpoint. 1500 years ago, English kings and men of importance were able to pillage anyone they saw fit. I say that as I studied English history. In arabia at that time, girls were buried alive as they were seen inferior. Islam put a stop to that.

King Henry 7, the creator of Church of England and consequently one of THE most influential brits, beheaded his wives ! its shocking now, but it was the done thing then.

Modern rights that we have now have EVOLVED through time such as not to be racially, sexually or religiously discriminated or having a marital cap after age 16.

In holland, girls can have sex when they are 14.

In victorian times and through the industrial revolution girls used to get married at age 10. its considered wrong now, but it was not then.

please, if you are going to quote historical facts, I suggest you get them right, and if you have ever studied any history in your life, dont forget to add historical context. you earlier suggested, that you dont understand how 2 billion people follow mohammed even though he was married to a 9 year old ? well in short, my answer to that is, that unlike you, they are smart enough to do some research and not jump on ahate band wagon.

you clearly have your own agenda as it bothers you about 'islamophobia'. to that i say 'get over it'. you cant deny, muslims are on the spotlight post 9/11. im not attributing whose fault that is. similarly when the jews had the spotlight on them in 1940s they were able to rely on the term 'anti semitism', when black people had the spotlight, they were afforded with the term 'racists' to their white oppressors at that time. in short, its the least that a minority group should be afforded for their plight to be recognised. dont get me wrong, people throw the word too loosely, but it doesnt make it wrong for that word to exist.

I am sure christian people that are in the spotlight in muslim countries will too get testy and more defensive when their religios faith is scrutinised especially when it is done so incorrectly.

4. Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace. just because al qaeda dont adhere to it, it does not mean islam preaches that. they dont represent the quran or the religion. similarly to how Hitler, King Henry 7, George Bush do not represent God or Christians. If you have ever read the quran WHOLE, not just extracts given to you on the news, and read about the customs at the time, there is NOTHING hateful about islam. it only EVER gave a command of war, when the prophet at the time was betrayed and was being hunted by the then royal family. THe prophet was hiding and refused to fight, until the revelation came which was of self defence. Also war was justified when the royal family broke the peace treaty. which is NO different to today. on every page of the quran it states, forgiveness, tolerance and doing good. just because some douche called bin laden does not adher to it and has started grouping troops around the planet just like hitler did, does not make the religion bad.