Views Of Muslims

[tareegon]

kaalpan - really really well said ! douches that speak without research really annoy me !

 

[tittenman]

Firstly johnnystyro your original inflammatory comments were rather stupid to say the least and naive at very best. Next time remember engage brain then engage mouth, there are more tactful ways of saying such things.

Here is some research I conducted:

New evidence shows that Aisha was much older than 9 when she married the Prophet Mohamed, In addition Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary! so can we label him in the same way also?

kaalpan has offered a very nicely balanced and researched argument, some karma heading your way!

 

[mrtrebus]

1. youre talking about muslim as they are one entity and that one muslims action represents all muslims actions. some muslims are tolerant some are not. some catholics are tolerant, some are not. some jews are tolerant some are not. You see where I am going with this. Just how America was not wholly represented by the blood hungry bush administrations, similarly, saudi areabi, iraq should not and are not demographically represented by the backwards Saud family and what was Sadam. Sadam was a fricking dictator. Have you ever been Indonesia, malaysia ?

2. what is this money that you bring in to dubai ? in short, the UAE is oil rich and majority of its money comes from its port hubs. only about 15 % of its economy is tourist driven. the UAE's (dubai) leaders have a vision of educating their youth and being more tolerant and living in peace with non muslims. granted its not fully developed, but I would remind you that Dubai is a 40 year old country. America and UK are far older, and ONLY JUST RECENTLY in its long history, the uk and US have given women and ethnics equal rights. what many westerners forget is that alot of the muslim countries are starting from scratch almost after british rule, wars, the western counties expoliting their resources etc. give them a break, the suffregette(sp) movement did not achieve womens right over night, neither did martin luther king. just because your countries have achieved so much in its recent histories, dont pressure or judge other countries for its youth, it still has a long way to go. forcing someone to believe what you do is bullying, you should instead lead by example.

3. about the prophet marrying aisha who was 9 years of age. no one is contesting that. what i am contesting is that the prophet did not consemate the marriage with her as she was still young. if you did squat research of arabia 1500 years ago, you would note that it was customary for girls to be married off young, namely becuase families were poor and the girl would have a better life if they were married off with a man who could care for them. The prophet was asked by his best friend Abu Bakr, to marry his daughter aged 9. The prophet said yes as she was a sweet girl and was his friends daughter and she would have a secured future. he did not have sex with her.
anyway, I will entertain your warped assertion, even if he did, it is paedophilia based on TODAYS viewpoint. 1500 years ago, English kings and men of importance were able to pillage anyone they saw fit. I say that as I studied English history. In arabia at that time, girls were buried alive as they were seen inferior. Islam put a stop to that.

King Henry 7, the creator of Church of England and consequently one of THE most influential brits, beheaded his wives ! its shocking now, but it was the done thing then.

Modern rights that we have now have EVOLVED through time such as not to be racially, sexually or religiously discriminated or having a marital cap after age 16.

In holland, girls can have sex when they are 14.

In victorian times and through the industrial revolution girls used to get married at age 10. its considered wrong now, but it was not then.

please, if you are going to quote historical facts, I suggest you get them right, and if you have ever studied any history in your life, dont forget to add historical context. you earlier suggested, that you dont understand how 2 billion people follow mohammed even though he was married to a 9 year old ? well in short, my answer to that is, that unlike you, they are smart enough to do some research and not jump on ahate band wagon.

you clearly have your own agenda as it bothers you about 'islamophobia'. to that i say 'get over it'. you cant deny, muslims are on the spotlight post 9/11. im not attributing whose fault that is. similarly when the jews had the spotlight on them in 1940s they were able to rely on the term 'anti semitism', when black people had the spotlight, they were afforded with the term 'racists' to their white oppressors at that time. in short, its the least that a minority group should be afforded for their plight to be recognised. dont get me wrong, people throw the word too loosely, but it doesnt make it wrong for that word to exist.

I am sure christian people that are in the spotlight in muslim countries will too get testy and more defensive when their religios faith is scrutinised especially when it is done so incorrectly.

4. Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace. just because al qaeda dont adhere to it, it does not mean islam preaches that. they dont represent the quran or the religion. similarly to how Hitler, King Henry 7, George Bush do not represent God or Christians. If you have ever read the quran WHOLE, not just extracts given to you on the news, and read about the customs at the time, there is NOTHING hateful about islam. it only EVER gave a command of war, when the prophet at the time was betrayed and was being hunted by the then royal family. THe prophet was hiding and refused to fight, until the revelation came which was of self defence. Also war was justified when the royal family broke the peace treaty. which is NO different to today. on every page of the quran it states, forgiveness, tolerance and doing good. just because some douche called bin laden does not adher to it and has started grouping troops around the planet just like hitler did, does not make the religion bad.

kaalpan can you stop posting well thought out intelligent posts like this & get back to posting pics of your girlfriend! :thumbsup:

 

[Lonilover]

there's a majority not so good, but you can't whipe out the good ones because they're also there. There is a big difference between Islamic people from different countries.

 

[LEGUEN]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

Muslims do not wear turbans. Your confusing them with Sikhs. Who pretty much hate muslims more than anybody. Which makes it tragic that many of them got attacked after 9/11 due to people not understanding there is a difference

 

[alonso.joce]

theres a bad apple in all religions--face it.
Its not a hindu, muslim or christian thats a problem--its an individual

 

[ajitpd]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

Carrying knife is also part of Sikh religion. It is an obligation/duty of a follower of Sikh religion to carry a knife (which the call kirpaan; part of their famous five K's).

Sikhs are not Muslims. Sikhism is based on Hindusim while Islam is closely related to Judaism and Christianity.

 

[sexyartylust]

theres a bad apple in all religions--face it.
Its not a hindu, muslim or christian thats a problem--its an individual

well put

 

[shaggydude]

we all live on the same planet. that's my view.

 

[Lonilover]

theres a bad apple in all religions--face it.
Its not a hindu, muslim or christian thats a problem--its an individual

True, but i do not know how it is in America, but in Europe there are more bad people from one religion then the other, that is the problem.

 

[sexyartylust]

True, but i do not know how it is in America, but in Europe there are more bad people from one religion then the other, that is the problem.

surely it would be more accurate to say the majority of whom YOU have met. Remember, the good muslims, the good priests, the good germans back in the day, the good american politicians never make the news. more often than not, it is BAD news that makes the news. I doubt it you have been to all the mosques, all the orphanages, all the refuse centers, charities that these alleged bad people contribute to. Im from Europe, having seen all the good, I would strongly disagree that MOST are bad. I dont know what glasses you are using to come to that viewpoint, but I would suggest a new prescription i.e a different persepective from your already bias and in my opinion, grossly incorrect one.

in short, you wont notice many of the good muslims, as they are modest muslims, and practice within their homes. if you're making your decision based on media, it would be more accurate to suggest that most of the muslims on the news appear bad. which even if it is true, is not a true proportion of what is out there. the news is there to advertise important issues to the country i.e public security, welfare such as hospitals, criminality and so forth not necessarily all the good or stable activities. I mean have you ever heard in the news 'Town A and B are not flooded...all great here' , 'this church is awesome, back to you bob'. its always 'town B has flooded, 'priest accused of child abuse', 'muslim terror suspect caught on cctv'.

 

[tittenman]

True, but i do not know how it is in America, but in Europe there are more bad people from one religion then the other, that is the problem.

Hmmm?

 

[sexarise! chick]

A guy goes into a sex shop, looking to buy a sex doll. The sex shop owner asks the man if he would like a Christian sex doll or a Muslim sex doll.

"What's the difference", asks the man.

"The Christian one comes with a pump", says the owner, "but the Muslim one blows itself up."

LOL, thanks for the joke.

Tammy

 

[Lucky7000]

The conflicts between the big 3 are like a TV show or something. It's stupid, they're all the same.

 

[Donkey Boy]

Anyone with an interest in this subject (religions in general) should pick up the book "god is Not Great"

 

[Baill Inneraora]

France also ban head scarf in school all over France!

From my own personal experiences, Somali Muslims are a problem in America, real big problem !

How so? Here in Columbus, we have a huge Somali population. The vast majority are good, hard working, productive citizens, who want a decent place to work and raise a family.

 

[tittenman]

The problem on this thread appears to be the confusion between labeling the majority law abiding, moderate people and the reckless minority who insist on causing as much conflict as they can (in each religious group). What ever mindless causes the extremists adhere to, they hijack the media for themselves and the whole group ends up tarnished with the same reputation. Take for instance the 9/11 bombings, perpetuated by a small minority (of so called muslims), were for the more moderate majority a horrific turn of events.

The beliefs of the 3 main religions is essentially the same one god, creation, heaven,hell etc. All 3 also suffer similar extreme elements, although not necessarily enacted in the same way. It is this extreme fringe actions in each religions which often seems to influence peoples perceptions of the whole group.

 

[mrtrebus]

True, but i do not know how it is in America, but in Europe there are more bad people from one religion then the other, that is the problem.

Catholic priests?!? :dunno:

 

[Nester6]

I Just wanted to know what peoples views are on muslims are they all good or do they look bad cuz of some bad people

I have no problem with Muslims. People are people,good and bad.I believe we should tolerate all differences and live by the golden rule which seems to be universal.

 

[tittenman]

Catholic priests?!? :dunno:

Priceless!!!