US Soldier Waterboards 4-Year-Old Daughter For Not Knowing Alphabet

[Facial_King]

Wow, what an important distinction that's being made here.

So, which is "better" - child abuse or torture??

(Pathetic)

 

[Alyssa Rose]

Wow, what an important distinction that's being made here.

So, which is "better" - child abuse or torture??

(Pathetic)

Well with out going to far off topic, torture. If you have a terrorist who knows where a bomb is located and he's not talking your just gonna what? sit there and be like 'oh okay lets just wait and find out when the bomb goes off!' NO your gonna find out where the hell that bomb is, if you have to torture one person to save thousands then so be it.

 

[PirateKing]

Wow, what an important distinction that's being made here.

So, which is "better" - child abuse or torture??

(Pathetic)

I guess i'd have to go with torture, because its said to be for the good of the nation. Abusing children will only aid the terrorists

 

[Facial_King]

Somehow I knew PTSD was going to be brought into this. PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder just in case you didn't know) is not just something that affects soldiers FYI. This little girl could very well end up herself with PTSD. If something traumatic happens to you that is life altering you can end up with PTSD. My brother found my mom blue in the face dead at 15 years old and HE has PTSD. So maybe this guy does have it, but whos to say its from Iraq and not that time that his uncle bobby raped him? You get what I am saying? The war is a really fucked up thing to see and it scars a lot of guys but you know what, really fucked up things happen everyday a lot closer to home that can scar people just as bad. So again you attempt to turn this into the military's fault doesn't make much sense. :2 cents:

Never mind.

It's UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that a soldier could get PTSD from serving in, say, combat, or a military prison...and then not be able to adjust to living in a non-combat scenario, and when someone frustrates him, act aggressively toward that person. That's just a nutty theory, I realize it now.

It's also UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that anyone could use Bush & Cheney's dismissal of torture acts as something less-than-torture to internally justify their own uncontrolled aggression.

 

[Facial_King]

[For christ's sake, it was a rhetorical question]

 

[Philbert]

Wow, what an important distinction that's being made here.

So, which is "better" - child abuse or torture??

(Pathetic)

I(f anyone needed evidence how screwed up your thinking is, there it is...!
Better? Only you are playing around with which is better to do to a child...
The truth is...what he did is severe child abuse...not torture. One can be crossed over, like burning a 10 year old repeatedly with a lit cigarette...that's torture...but torturing, beating, scaring repeatedly... shit...anything that hurts a child in an adult's care is child abuse!!!
Do you try to be as stupid as possible...just for effect?
Do you get the difference yet???

Torture a child...child abuse.
Beat a child severely...child abuse.
Lock a child in a closet and starve them...child abuse.

Waterboarding a terrorist...advanced fucking effective interrogation techniques!:thumbsup:

 

[meesterperfect]

Never mind.

It's UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that a soldier could get PTSD from serving in, say, combat, or a military prison...and then not be able to adjust to living in a non-combat scenario, and when someone frustrates him, act aggressively toward that person. That's just a nutty theory, I realize it now.

It's also UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that anyone could use Bush & Cheney's dismissal of torture acts as something less-than-torture to internally justify their own uncontrolled aggression.

no its not impossible, but wheres the evidence of that in this story?
the guy is a loose screw, we have no idea why or for how long.
a soldier (or former soldier) beat his daughter and dunked her head in hot water.
the media used the term waterboarded which number one is a lie, and number two has ulterior motives, most of which is to sell news.

and fk, most people who condone waterboarding do it with the thought of protecting more innocent people from being killed, not from a hidden aggression complex.
No? yes? maybe?
perhaps? possibly?

look we all agree the guys a sick bastard.
the debate is the use of the term waterboarded.
i dont consider what he did waterboarding and have no reason to think it had anything to do with the fact that he was a soldier.

 

[FlyingWallaby]

I can't blame the guy...I mean, how fucking hard is it to learn the alphabet?!?! It's not like he was asking her to memorize nuclear launch codes...she just needs to apply herself. :thumbsup:

 

[Rekrul]

He should be waterboarded everyday for the remainder of his 30 year prison sentence that he deserves for doing this.

Hate to blame it on PTSD, but that's probably the case here, sickening and sad at the same time.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Hey, no worries. It's not like it's torture or anything. He was just using an enhanced interrogation technique to get his daughter to explain why she didn't know the alphabet. Fair enough!

At least he didn't chop her head off!

Big difference between using this on terrorists and using it on a kid. I guess we should treat the terrorists with respect and rights.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Never mind.

It's UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that a soldier could get PTSD from serving in, say, combat, or a military prison...and then not be able to adjust to living in a non-combat scenario, and when someone frustrates him, act aggressively toward that person. That's just a nutty theory, I realize it now.

It's also UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE that anyone could use Bush & Cheney's dismissal of torture acts as something less-than-torture to internally justify their own uncontrolled aggression.

Bullshit. There is plenty of medical evidence that supports soldiers can get PTSD from combat. You go to war, see all the hell they see, and then come home and try and hit into normal life. Easy to dismiss when you have never been in their shoes.

I have to laugh when people claim say that. Do you think the terrorists give a damn about you? Do you think they care about the people they have killed and tortured? I am all for getting info out of terriorists by torture. :2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

Big difference between using this on terrorists and using it on a kid. I guess we should treat the terrorists with respect and rights.

The dude is apparently a sicko who happened to be a soldier. Hopefully his daughter isn't scarred for life....shouldn't that be the end of it?

The US doesn't torture people JaneB. We don't render people in gulags no matter what we think they are guilty of. That's what we agreed to as a nation. Our word on these things as the moral leader should count for something. Otherwise.... what do we look like pursuing policy on human rights when we can't live up to it ourselves???

 

[Facial_King]

Just as in a lot of stories that involve police officers, their profession usually has nothing to do with the story. It's just thrown in there to grab attention and gain readers.

Huh?? Can you give some examples? If it's a story about a crime that involves a police officer (that'd be someone employed by the state to stop crimes and pursue criminals), then I think it has something to do with the story. If it's a misdeed committed while he's working as a LEO, then it's relevant.

no its not impossible, but wheres the evidence of that in this story?
the guy is a loose screw, we have no idea why or for how long.
a soldier (or former soldier) beat his daughter and dunked her head in hot water.
the media used the term waterboarded which number one is a lie, and number two has ulterior motives, most of which is to sell news.

and fk, most people who condone waterboarding do it with the thought of protecting more innocent people from being killed, not from a hidden aggression complex.
No? yes? maybe?
perhaps? possibly?

look we all agree the guys a sick bastard.
the debate is the use of the term waterboarded.
i dont consider what he did waterboarding and have no reason to think it had anything to do with the fact that he was a soldier.

- So what if he's a "loose screw"? That doesn't necessarily mean that his military experience - including the military culture (Kill, Kill, Kill!) and none-too-subtle messages coming from the govt. leaders - could have influenced him in some way so that he could act out the darkest shit in his head.
- I love your defense of how "most people who condone waterboarding do it with the thought of protecting more innocent people..." - Well, perhaps so, but keep in mind that the "ends justifies the means" thing has been employed by some of the scummiest historical actors.
- Had they not used the term "waterboarded" and instead said "water torture" your panties would still be in a twist, even though it's obviously true that he employed a form of water torture on his daughter.
- How do you know that people condone waterboarding because they have pure intentions to help their fellow man rather than "from a hidden aggression complex"?? Keep in mind, you've said this in a thread where folks have already called for various shit to be done to this father - fry him, skin him alive, etc. I'd like to see the evidence of people's motivations coming from this pure, wholesome place in the heart where one can cheer on waterboarding as some kind of humane act.

Big difference between using this on terrorists and using it on a kid. I guess we should treat the terrorists with respect and rights.

Jane, I think you've missed a key talking point of the pro-torture guys here. There was no common "this/it" to compare between using X on terrorists vs. using X on kids. We can't compare what this man did to his daughter unless he followed the CIA guidebook on how to conduct such an act - to the letter!

 

[TITS KING]

it is not an unexpected action from a soldier; whatever nationalty the soldier is :tongue:

 

[hedonis]

it is not an unexpected action from a soldier; whatever nationalty the soldier is :tongue:

Are you fucking kidding me? Really?

 

[Facial_King]

Bullshit. There is plenty of medical evidence that supports soldiers can get PTSD from combat. You go to war, see all the hell they see, and then come home and try and hit into normal life. Easy to dismiss when you have never been in their shoes.

Oh geez... spare me. [Pssst.... I had my sarcasm cranked up to 11 on that post - notice my hyperbolic language and all-caps declarations] Thank you for making my point for me. Of course PTSD is real, and of course it can adversely effect one's behavior once they're stateside again...

Be warned though, Jane. There's a particular strain of conservative who likes to brush off talk of PTSD and the like as just "psychobabble" and warm fuzzy gobbledygook.

You'll get no fight from me about PTSD. Actually, I'm thinking that it's probably integral to his condition, and part of the reason I feel pity for this guy, at least as much as I do loathing.

 

[dadolfo]

what a sick fuck.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Huh?? Can you give some examples? If it's a story about a crime that involves a police officer (that'd be someone employed by the state to stop crimes and pursue criminals), then I think it has something to do with the story. If it's a misdeed committed while he's working as a LEO, then it's relevant.

First of all, just because a police officer breaks the law in some sort of manner doesn't mean that his profession has anything to do with his crime. If a police officer forgets to mail his taxes in on time, he is breaking the law. But, does that have anything to do with his profession? No. If a police officer forgets to renew his license plate sticker, he is breaking the law. But, does that have anything to do with his profession? No. Millions of people do those types of things each and every year, police officer or not. It has nothing to do with somebody's profession, no matter what they do for a living.

Secondly, here are some examples (go ahead and note the sources as unreliable or biased if you please - I didn't write the articles or make these news stories myself :2 cents...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/legalgrounds/2009/07/off-duty-cop-vomits-on-concertgoers-gets-arrested.html
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Dallas-Police-Officer-Arrested-83773262.html
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/arrested_c..._will_not_face_charges_1_662283?referrerPath=
http://www.ksat.com/news/18653426/detail.html

All of those officers were off-duty and were involved in situations that had absolutely nothing to do with their profession. They didn't flash their badges, they didn't pull guns, they didn't abuse their power; yet, all of those stories plaster their profession all over the place. The only connection between their profession and their arrest was the arrest itself. Ironic, huh?

 

[meesterperfect]

Huh?? Can you give some examples? If it's a story about a crime that involves a police officer (that'd be someone employed by the state to stop crimes and pursue criminals), then I think it has something to do with the story. If it's a misdeed committed while he's working as a LEO, then it's relevant.



- So what if he's a "loose screw"? That doesn't necessarily mean that his military experience - including the military culture (Kill, Kill, Kill!) and none-too-subtle messages coming from the govt. leaders - could have influenced him in some way so that he could act out the darkest shit in his head.
- I love your defense of how "most people who condone waterboarding do it with the thought of protecting more innocent people..." - Well, perhaps so, but keep in mind that the "ends justifies the means" thing has been employed by some of the scummiest historical actors.
- Had they not used the term "waterboarded" and instead said "water torture" your panties would still be in a twist, even though it's obviously true that he employed a form of water torture on his daughter.
- How do you know that people condone waterboarding because they have pure intentions to help their fellow man rather than "from a hidden aggression complex"?? Keep in mind, you've said this in a thread where folks have already called for various shit to be done to this father - fry him, skin him alive, etc. I'd like to see the evidence of people's motivations coming from this pure, wholesome place in the heart where one can cheer on waterboarding as some kind of humane act.



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oh boy, ok
first paragraph, i said its not impossible, meaning yes its possible, only that we/us/and the media have no evidence that his actions were influenced by the military or the governments use of waterboarding.
if he shot her would that be because the military shoots guns? maybe, probably not.
he dunked her head under hot water, equating that or calling that waterboarding like the parasite media did is ridiculous.
face it, theyre just trying to sell papers and make more money while using the military and naive fools as the means.

the second part is my opinion, that most people who would condone torture of terrorists do so out of concern for preventing future mass killings, not revenge.
however i have not yet conducted a thorough sociological experiment on that so i have no evidence to present at this juncture man, sir.
we both agree the guy is bad and he desrves to be punished, we disagree on the use of the term waterboarding and also why that term was used by the press.
i say he dunked her head in a sink full of water and i have no idea why because i dont know whats in his head, you say he waterboarded her and that his military experience and bush/cheney caused him to do it.
is that it?
if so lets leave it at that.

 

[meesterperfect]

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