Tip

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
My pizza & other food delivery folks get $10 from me. Taxi drivers it depends on as others here have said on how good or bad they are. I've had a few drivers that had GPS and STILL asked me for directions. I've asked a few times would they like for me to drive the car as well. Some others were great. The ones who were great, I have tipped the amount of the fare.
I was riding with a few friends and stopped at a diner. This poor waitress had the group from hell and they did not leave a tip. We were leaving the same time as the group. We tipped her in front of the group she waited on and told her this was for the BS she just put up with (yes we did tip our waitress).

I have wanted to do this at restaurants before, making it a point to let a rude or not so pleasant customer next to me know that they were out of line. But it's hard for me to confront people like that. I was at Dallas BBQ in NYC a few weeks ago (the one in Times Square) and there were these two young ladies next to me, probably in their 20s. When the server brought her cheeseburger with fries, she started making a fuss, legit yelling at the server, "Fries! I said fries! What part of that don't you understand?! French FRIES!" God that poor waiter. I wanted to say something to her, but I was scared... you never know with people, I didn't want it to become this big scene where she goes all ghetto ass on me (she looked like a ghetoo type chick).
So instead I just left a napkin note saying, "Smile! People suck :)" and left a little extra tip.
 
I start at 20% and it changes with the service from there. My best was around 600% lol
 

bahodeme

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Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7437076, member: 579739"]I wanted to say something to her, but I was scared...

I think I was/am too dumb to be scared.;) Your way it was between you & the waitress and on one was the wiser.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I have wanted to do this at restaurants before, making it a point to let a rude or not so pleasant customer next to me know that they were out of line. But it's hard for me to confront people like that. I was at Dallas BBQ in NYC a few weeks ago (the one in Times Square) and there were these two young ladies next to me, probably in their 20s. When the server brought her cheeseburger with fries, she started making a fuss, legit yelling at the server, "Fries! I said fries! What part of that don't you understand?! French FRIES!" God that poor waiter. I wanted to say something to her, but I was scared... you never know with people, I didn't want it to become this big scene where she goes all ghetto ass on me (she looked like a ghetoo type chick).
So instead I just left a napkin note saying, "Smile! People suck :)" and left a little extra tip.

Not about tipping but a rude people story. At a department store I worked at we would have customers hassling cashiers from way back in the line. You know how things are. Cashier stuck at the register with a customer with 100 items with no bar code and shit like that. Ass holes making a scene with little the cashier could do. The cashier supervisor would call a plain clothed loss prevention person about the scene and they would pick up an item and get into that line. As the ass hole continues making the remarks the plain clothed would start hassling the ass hole. "Hey, shut the fuck up and let her do her job. I don't want to hear your mouth and none of these other people want to hear you either. Go find another line or another store." Embarrass the shit out of them. It was a nice move since the cashier knew the plain clothed.
 

alexpnz

Lord Dipstick
The other day I handed the young Puerto Rican waitress at my local OTB $8 for a $1.50 cup of coffee.

It was a slow night for the poor girl and she always hustles.

I hit the early Pik 4 @ Yonkers for a $1 and I felt charitable.
 

BCT

Pucker Up Butter Cup.
The other day I handed the young Puerto Rican waitress at my local OTB $8 for a $1.50 cup of coffee.

It was a slow night for the poor girl and she always hustles.

I hit the early Pik 4 @ Yonkers for a $1 and I felt charitable.

Ehh I think you just wanted to have sex with her. ;)

Oh and yeah, for all of you cheap motherfuckers, always tip. :mad:
 
TBH I'm sick of people saying being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. Seriously? Every job has it's down side. Being a fry cook at McDonald is a hard job.Working in sewers and hospitals are hard jobs. I know wait staff that makes over 100$ a night from nice restaurants. The wait staff at high end restaurants do nothing except take your order. There is food runners to bring your food and bus boys to clear the table. Wait staff and bartenders at busy restaurants in the can make more than 60k USD a year. I'm am american, I do tip because it's the social norm but I completely disagree with it. Tip has transform into a vehicle for greedy. Whether good service is rendered or not, now everyone is obligated to tip. Why not tip your doctors? Sure they make lots of money but waste 10 years of school and is in like 100k+ in debt? Tipping is just a company's way out of paying it's employee. Tips should not be the standard but the exception for exceptional service. And as if your job truly sucks as a waitress, then quit and find another place or go into another industry. Tired of this feeling that every person is entitled to tip.
 
TBH I'm sick of people saying being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. Seriously? Every job has it's down side. Being a fry cook at McDonald is a hard job.Working in sewers and hospitals are hard jobs. I know wait staff that makes over 100$ a night from nice restaurants. The wait staff at high end restaurants do nothing except take your order. There is food runners to bring your food and bus boys to clear the table. Wait staff and bartenders at busy restaurants in the can make more than 60k USD a year. I'm am american, I do tip because it's the social norm but I completely disagree with it. Tip has transform into a vehicle for greedy. Whether good service is rendered or not, now everyone is obligated to tip. Why not tip your doctors? Sure they make lots of money but waste 10 years of school and is in like 100k+ in debt? Tipping is just a company's way out of paying it's employee. Tips should not be the standard but the exception for exceptional service. And as if your job truly sucks as a waitress, then quit and find another place or go into another industry. Tired of this feeling that every person is entitled to tip.

Something tells me you're ignorant of the facts.

You do realize that there are two different federal minimum wages, right? Thanks to the Fair Labor Standards Act in most jobs where people get tipped they generally get paid substantially less. So unless there is a state law that supersedes the federal (which there often isn't) tipping happens for a reason. The difference is wages in $7.25 for non-tipped labor versus $2.13 for tipped (yeah, that's right, tipped people get paid less than 30% of what their counterparts are required to be paid). The reason that tipping is the social norm is because people who get tipped got fucked.
 
Who in the fuck knows what they do...but for a few bucks, it's worth knowing they won't!


Your regular pizza supplier can still spit on the food even if you pay him extra. :drool2:

(I hope that he does not do that)

My pizza & other food delivery folks get $10 from me.

Taxi drivers it depends on as others here have said on how good or bad they are. I've had a few drivers that had GPS and STILL asked me for directions.

-You are a generous man.

-The taxi driver who does not know the streets is a joke.

Oh and yeah, for all of you cheap motherfuckers, always tip. :mad:

^

Well said.

TBH I'm sick of people saying being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. Seriously?

^

Here is the comment I was waiting for.



The reason that tipping is the social norm is because people who get tipped got fucked.


Tipping is a socialist gesture and I am delighted that so many of you help the needy people.
 
Tipping is about as capitalistic a practice as I can think of. If you do well at your job, you get more money. If you suck, you get less.
 
Just to add to this thread, there are instances where I won't tip....

When ordering from a counter, and there is a tip jar....nope. No value added....why should I tip there?

Tipping valet drivers when I was forced to valet my car. Sorry...I know it's not the valet's fault, but I hate valet parking, and when I'm forced to use it, I refuse to tip.

Actually, any instance where I am forced to use a service that I could do myself, and where a tip is customary.



OTOH, I also tip the following at Christmas....usually about $10 each....

Garbage men
pool guy
lawn guy
postman
 
Tipping is about as capitalistic a practice as I can think of. If you do well at your job, you get more money. If you suck, you get less.

But tipping is basically voluntary activity in America (if I understand correctly), so you get the same service even if you do not pay extra.
 
Yes I absolutely do tip cabbies or waitresses even if the service isn`t all that special. If it is, and if the waitress is wearing nice heels and showing a bit of cleavage, or alternatively a nice tight top, then I tip more.
 

SpexyAshleigh

Official Checked Star Member
Yes, and that's why the tip is optional issue here.




Ok, but what do you do if you do not have the extra money with you and you need a taxi ride?

I don't engage in services if I can't afford the tip. I've never, EVER stiffed someone on a tip simply because "I couldn't afford it". I live in Canada, tipping is expected. If a cab ride costs $25, I budget for a $30 cab ride so I can include the tip.
 
Something tells me you're ignorant of the facts.

You do realize that there are two different federal minimum wages, right? Thanks to the Fair Labor Standards Act in most jobs where people get tipped they generally get paid substantially less. So unless there is a state law that supersedes the federal (which there often isn't) tipping happens for a reason. The difference is wages in $7.25 for non-tipped labor versus $2.13 for tipped (yeah, that's right, tipped people get paid less than 30% of what their counterparts are required to be paid). The reason that tipping is the social norm is because people who get tipped got fucked.

This, in a nutshell, is why tipped cultures differ so greatly; most of the world doesn't fucker their workers quite like this. What's considered "fair" tipping in the US is fair in the US but if you tipped that much over here you'd be seen as Rich Uncle Moneybags simply because there's a flat-rate minimum wage (here are the figures[/i]) that doesn't change based on whether your jobs tips or not. Tipping here is seen, therefore, as a reward for the extra work and an incentive to put that work in--I'm happy to tip someone who deserves it because they're then more likely to keep that level of work up knowing that it earns them more take-home, so in the long run I get good service and they get good money. It's not about society having to put in extra to keep wages fair, which no harm to any of you is a bullshit system. No one should have to rely on tips for fair wages.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
It's all tied to the service charges. The USA system has this money go directly to the service staff. It's like they have a share in the business rather than just being a paid employee. It's an incentive for the staff to work at the times that most people don't want to work like holidays, weekends, and events.
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
TBH I'm sick of people saying being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. Seriously? Every job has it's down side. Being a fry cook at McDonald is a hard job.Working in sewers and hospitals are hard jobs. I know wait staff that makes over 100$ a night from nice restaurants. The wait staff at high end restaurants do nothing except take your order. There is food runners to bring your food and bus boys to clear the table. Wait staff and bartenders at busy restaurants in the can make more than 60k USD a year. I'm am american, I do tip because it's the social norm but I completely disagree with it. Tip has transform into a vehicle for greedy. Whether good service is rendered or not, now everyone is obligated to tip. Why not tip your doctors? Sure they make lots of money but waste 10 years of school and is in like 100k+ in debt? Tipping is just a company's way out of paying it's employee. Tips should not be the standard but the exception for exceptional service. And as if your job truly sucks as a waitress, then quit and find another place or go into another industry. Tired of this feeling that every person is entitled to tip.

Wow, how ignorant is this?
First off, 60K a year? You have no clue what you're talking about. No clue. Hell, when I was a manager at a restaurant, I made $12,000/yr, and that was much more money than our servers made. At least 50% more.
And let me tell you something, most restaurants are not nice restaurants, and most people who get a job waiting tables don't make it into nice restaurants, they make it into Applebees, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Papa Johns, Dominos, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesdays, Garfield's, small diners, family owned restaurants, etc. They do not pull in $100 a night. $100 a night is a FANTASTIC night, not a normal night. A normal night is $50 or $60, and it also depends on which shift they're working, be it breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Most of the money is made over dinner, not during the day. Mostly only on weekends is when they might pull in $100. I've worked at 3 different restaurants, and out of all my years working there, I only ever had maybe 4 total $100 nights. Usually it was between $30 and $60.

How is it hard? Have you ever worked as waitress? I'll give you some examples:
- Customers flipping shit on you because the kitchen put sausage on their order when you clearly told the kitchen no sausage, but the customer blames you, screaming at you, calling you names, and asking for a discount for something that isn't your fault.
- An elderly customer pulling you aside for a good 25 minutes to bitch at you, talk to you in an extremely rude manner, give you lots of eye rolls, raise their voice, etc. all because they're pissed that beer isn't considered a senior drink and they actually have to pay for it.
- A man smacking your ass as you walk past, completely disrespecting you.
- Dealing with prank calls
- A woman coming in giving every single worker a hard time, saying she wants extra toppings for free, badgering the new 16 year old cook, and telling the manager she doesn't want this other particular cook making her food because, "I don't like blondes." Then proceeding to badger the 16 year old girl some more, asking her why she's afraid to speak up, to which I finally answer, "Because she's just a little overwhelmed right now." Then the woman proceeds to yell at me, telling me that I don't know what overwhelmed is, because she works at a hospital and just put a dead body away that night. And guess what? I can't defend myself and say exactly what I was thinking, which was "Bitch, don't tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is! I've been raped, hit, dropped out of high school, done half the drugs existing on the planet, been almost kidnapped, and have been living on my own since I was 17. Don't fucking tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is. And if you really just got done putting a dead body away, you wouldn't be here pitching a hissy fit because you have to pay $3.18 for a large pizza!" No, I can't say that. I have to apologize repeatedly for something that we never did wrong and let this woman figuratively bash my head into the wall over and over again for half an hour.

Working as a waiter is seriously mentally hard work, sometimes physically because you're running around both in the dining room and in the kitchen, and out on the floor you're dealing with customers being downright assholes to you because you took 10 seconds too long to bring them a drink, meanwhile a table of 6 is seating themselves when there is clearly a "Please wait to be seated" sign right up front, and across the dining room another table is griping that their food is undercooked, and somehow that's the waiter's fault and not the kitchen's, and a table of one there's a women bitching that she has to pay 50 cents for extra cheese, now wanting her entire meal for free because she hates being nickel and dimed.

Why don't waiters go out and get a second job? Honey, there's only so many jobs available and for every job available, 30 other people want that position. What's your job? What do you do for a living? Have you ever had to search for a job, only to be turned down at the 15 jobs you've just applied to? It's not easy to find a job, so people have to settle. Help a person out. It's not the waiter's fault that they get paid so little, they just took the job because they need to make some sort of living. And people like you bitching that it shouldn't be your job to pay them, it should be the restaurant's job, well, your voice is not going to make a difference. They aren't going to listen, it will never change. And I'm willing to bet that waiters would be even less happy working as a waiter if they got paid as much as cooks did, if they couldn't work for tips, because then they'd be getting paid even less since usually their tips equal out to be slightly over minimum wage, so they'd be getting paid even less to deal with all the stupid self-entitled bullshit 6 out of 10 customers try to pull.

Clearly you've never worked as a waiter, otherwise you'd think much differently.
 
Wow, how ignorant is this?
First off, 60K a year? You have no clue what you're talking about. No clue. Hell, when I was a manager at a restaurant, I made $12,000/yr, and that was much more money than our servers made. At least 50% more.
And let me tell you something, most restaurants are not nice restaurants, and most people who get a job waiting tables don't make it into nice restaurants, they make it into Applebees, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Papa Johns, Dominos, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesdays, Garfield's, small diners, family owned restaurants, etc. They do not pull in $100 a night. $100 a night is a FANTASTIC night, not a normal night. A normal night is $50 or $60, and it also depends on which shift they're working, be it breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Most of the money is made over dinner, not during the day. Mostly only on weekends is when they might pull in $100. I've worked at 3 different restaurants, and out of all my years working there, I only ever had maybe 4 total $100 nights. Usually it was between $30 and $60.

How is it hard? Have you ever worked as waitress? I'll give you some examples:
- Customers flipping shit on you because the kitchen put sausage on their order when you clearly told the kitchen no sausage, but the customer blames you, screaming at you, calling you names, and asking for a discount for something that isn't your fault.
- An elderly customer pulling you aside for a good 25 minutes to bitch at you, talk to you in an extremely rude manner, give you lots of eye rolls, raise their voice, etc. all because they're pissed that beer isn't considered a senior drink and they actually have to pay for it.
- A man smacking your ass as you walk past, completely disrespecting you.
- Dealing with prank calls
- A woman coming in giving every single worker a hard time, saying she wants extra toppings for free, badgering the new 16 year old cook, and telling the manager she doesn't want this other particular cook making her food because, "I don't like blondes." Then proceeding to badger the 16 year old girl some more, asking her why she's afraid to speak up, to which I finally answer, "Because she's just a little overwhelmed right now." Then the woman proceeds to yell at me, telling me that I don't know what overwhelmed is, because she works at a hospital and just put a dead body away that night. And guess what? I can't defend myself and say exactly what I was thinking, which was "Bitch, don't tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is! I've been raped, hit, dropped out of high school, done half the drugs existing on the planet, been almost kidnapped, and have been living on my own since I was 17. Don't fucking tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is. And if you really just got done putting a dead body away, you wouldn't be here pitching a hissy fit because you have to pay $3.18 for a large pizza!" No, I can't say that. I have to apologize repeatedly for something that we never did wrong and let this woman figuratively bash my head into the wall over and over again for half an hour.

Working as a waiter is seriously mentally hard work, sometimes physically because you're running around both in the dining room and in the kitchen, and out on the floor you're dealing with customers being downright assholes to you because you took 10 seconds too long to bring them a drink, meanwhile a table of 6 is seating themselves when there is clearly a "Please wait to be seated" sign right up front, and across the dining room another table is griping that their food is undercooked, and somehow that's the waiter's fault and not the kitchen's, and a table of one there's a women bitching that she has to pay 50 cents for extra cheese, now wanting her entire meal for free because she hates being nickel and dimed.

Why don't waiters go out and get a second job? Honey, there's only so many jobs available and for every job available, 30 other people want that position. What's your job? What do you do for a living? Have you ever had to search for a job, only to be turned down at the 15 jobs you've just applied to? It's not easy to find a job, so people have to settle. Help a person out. It's not the waiter's fault that they get paid so little, they just took the job because they need to make some sort of living. And people like you bitching that it shouldn't be your job to pay them, it should be the restaurant's job, well, your voice is not going to make a difference. They aren't going to listen, it will never change. And I'm willing to bet that waiters would be even less happy working as a waiter if they got paid as much as cooks did, if they couldn't work for tips, because then they'd be getting paid even less since usually their tips equal out to be slightly over minimum wage, so they'd be getting paid even less to deal with all the stupid self-entitled bullshit 6 out of 10 customers try to pull.

Clearly you've never worked as a waiter, otherwise you'd think much differently.

I've never worked as a waiter but everything you say sounds correct according to the T.V. shows I watch(the complaints you hear on there are probably tamer than what they really are) and any customer service job is a bitch!
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
I've never worked as a waiter but everything you say sounds correct according to the T.V. shows I watch(the complaints you hear on there are probably tamer than what they really are) and any customer service job is a bitch!

Yep. They are much worse in real life than on TV. I've worked as a manager, waitress, baker, and a cashier at a retail store. Out of all the jobs, waiting tables is the worst of those. As a cashier, I only ever had maybe... 2 customers that were very unpleasant to me, one who made me cry, but I actually stood my ground for that one and cocked an attitude with that bitch. She came along, I scanned and bagged all her items, then when it came time for her to swipe her card in a machine, she said, "You people are awful. You don't treat us like regular people, making us swipe our own cards, this is ridiculous. I hate shopping here." So I looked at her and said, "So why do you shop here?" And of course she got all huffy puffy with me, gasped and said, "How dare you?! I am going to report you to your manager! That is no way to talk to a customer." So I said, "Go ahead. I don't care." And of course she did, and my manager pulled me aside and was just laughing about it, she thought it was really funny what I did, but like any manager is supposed to, told me not to do that.

What I want to know is, why the fuck is it ok for customers to call us names, get an attitude with us, and we can't defend ourselves? That's what sucks about working in customer service. You have to just stand there and take all their insults and stupid bullshit, like a little pansy, completely defenseless. It really makes you hate people.

And there was another woman at that same place who got pissed at me for not counting out her change to her. As always I said, "Your change is '....'" when I handed it to her, and she blew up saying, "What is wrong with you people? What ever happened to the old days when cashiers actually counted back the change? They don't train you right." Oh for fuck's sake! And she counted her change back in front of me. Uuugh.
 
Wow, how ignorant is this?
First off, 60K a year? You have no clue what you're talking about. No clue. Hell, when I was a manager at a restaurant, I made $12,000/yr, and that was much more money than our servers made. At least 50% more.
And let me tell you something, most restaurants are not nice restaurants, and most people who get a job waiting tables don't make it into nice restaurants, they make it into Applebees, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Papa Johns, Dominos, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesdays, Garfield's, small diners, family owned restaurants, etc. They do not pull in $100 a night. $100 a night is a FANTASTIC night, not a normal night. A normal night is $50 or $60, and it also depends on which shift they're working, be it breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Most of the money is made over dinner, not during the day. Mostly only on weekends is when they might pull in $100. I've worked at 3 different restaurants, and out of all my years working there, I only ever had maybe 4 total $100 nights. Usually it was between $30 and $60.

How is it hard? Have you ever worked as waitress? I'll give you some examples:
- Customers flipping shit on you because the kitchen put sausage on their order when you clearly told the kitchen no sausage, but the customer blames you, screaming at you, calling you names, and asking for a discount for something that isn't your fault.
- An elderly customer pulling you aside for a good 25 minutes to bitch at you, talk to you in an extremely rude manner, give you lots of eye rolls, raise their voice, etc. all because they're pissed that beer isn't considered a senior drink and they actually have to pay for it.
- A man smacking your ass as you walk past, completely disrespecting you.
- Dealing with prank calls
- A woman coming in giving every single worker a hard time, saying she wants extra toppings for free, badgering the new 16 year old cook, and telling the manager she doesn't want this other particular cook making her food because, "I don't like blondes." Then proceeding to badger the 16 year old girl some more, asking her why she's afraid to speak up, to which I finally answer, "Because she's just a little overwhelmed right now." Then the woman proceeds to yell at me, telling me that I don't know what overwhelmed is, because she works at a hospital and just put a dead body away that night. And guess what? I can't defend myself and say exactly what I was thinking, which was "Bitch, don't tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is! I've been raped, hit, dropped out of high school, done half the drugs existing on the planet, been almost kidnapped, and have been living on my own since I was 17. Don't fucking tell me that I don't know what overwhelmed is. And if you really just got done putting a dead body away, you wouldn't be here pitching a hissy fit because you have to pay $3.18 for a large pizza!" No, I can't say that. I have to apologize repeatedly for something that we never did wrong and let this woman figuratively bash my head into the wall over and over again for half an hour.

Working as a waiter is seriously mentally hard work, sometimes physically because you're running around both in the dining room and in the kitchen, and out on the floor you're dealing with customers being downright assholes to you because you took 10 seconds too long to bring them a drink, meanwhile a table of 6 is seating themselves when there is clearly a "Please wait to be seated" sign right up front, and across the dining room another table is griping that their food is undercooked, and somehow that's the waiter's fault and not the kitchen's, and a table of one there's a women bitching that she has to pay 50 cents for extra cheese, now wanting her entire meal for free because she hates being nickel and dimed.

Why don't waiters go out and get a second job? Honey, there's only so many jobs available and for every job available, 30 other people want that position. What's your job? What do you do for a living? Have you ever had to search for a job, only to be turned down at the 15 jobs you've just applied to? It's not easy to find a job, so people have to settle. Help a person out. It's not the waiter's fault that they get paid so little, they just took the job because they need to make some sort of living. And people like you bitching that it shouldn't be your job to pay them, it should be the restaurant's job, well, your voice is not going to make a difference. They aren't going to listen, it will never change. And I'm willing to bet that waiters would be even less happy working as a waiter if they got paid as much as cooks did, if they couldn't work for tips, because then they'd be getting paid even less since usually their tips equal out to be slightly over minimum wage, so they'd be getting paid even less to deal with all the stupid self-entitled bullshit 6 out of 10 customers try to pull.

Clearly you've never worked as a waiter, otherwise you'd think much differently.

What I think he means is that there are a lot of other jobs which are hard work where you don't tip. Tipping is an excuse for the boss to pay you a low wage cause its part of society while it should be for exceptional service.

And yes I agree with him. Tipping is a bs system in its current form.
 
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