The I Told You So Obama Will Fuck Up Thread

[bigbreasts]

Damn that Barrak obama appointment, Department of Homeland Security Czar, Janet Napolitano !
Not one reported incident of extreme radical, religious, right wing, Veterans of Foreign Wars disturbances at any of the Tea Parties ! :laugh:

No but the guy in Pittsburgh that killed three cops was a white supremacist.

And the DHS report on right-wing radicalism was commissioned under the Bush administration, so STFU.

 

[Facetious]

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Obama says reaching out to enemies strengthens US

By BEN FELLER, Associated Press
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad – Defending his brand of world politics, President Barack Obama said Sunday that he "strengthens our hand" by reaching out to enemies of the United States and making sure that the nation is a leader, not a lecturer, of democracy.
Obama's foreign doctrine emerged across his four-day trip to Latin America, his first extended venture to a region of the world where resentment of U.S. power still lingers. He got a smile, handshakes and even a gift from incendiary leftist leader Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and embraced overtures of new relations from isolated Cuban President Raul Castro.
"The whole notion was that if we showed courtesy or opened up dialogue with governments that had previously been hostile to us, that that somehow would be a sign of weakness," Obama said, recalling his race for the White House and challenging his critics today.
"The American people didn't buy it," Obama said. "And there's a good reason the American people didn't buy it — because it doesn't make sense."

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Maybe after the second year on the job it might be acceptable to meet with a foe. . . . .for a lib

This sotra goes w/out saying, but in the event that an American leader makes plans for a summit, preconditions have to be met well ahead of time and the American isn't going to be bending over backwards, making tons of special adjustments or kissing ass along the way. :nono:

 

[Hot Mega]

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Maybe after the second year on the job it might be acceptable to meet with a foe. . . . .for a lib

This sotra goes w/out saying, but in the event that an American leader makes plans for a summit, preconditions have to be met well ahead of time and the American isn't going to be bending over backwards, making tons of special adjustments or kissing ass along the way. :nono:

How about this. We let his administration undertake to policies he decides (that's what the election was all about) then see what the results are.

You might save yourself from having to eat allot of crow.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

No but the guy in Pittsburgh that killed three cops was a white supremacist.

And the DHS report on right-wing radicalism was commissioned under the Bush administration, so STFU.

:rofl:

Yeah, and the guy that murdered 4 cops in Oakland a few weeks ago was black. What's your point?

 

[Hot Mega]

:rofl:

Yeah, and the guy that murdered 4 cops in Oakland a few weeks ago was black. What's your point?

Crimes happen all the time and we'll have to see what trends develop. Cops are already suspect and profile career criminals who may become violent when confronted. The question is do they now need to profile individuals who made statements in anger about perceived bans on firearms.

We'll have to see if as a result of the constant bombardment of dishonest propaganda about firearms, more fringe lunatics will act against law enforcement or enjoin extremists organizations.

The guy who killed cops in Pittsburgh actually acknowledged his motivation was a perceived concern that Obama was going to take "guns". Now he got that lie from somewhere because Obama has said no such thing. In fact, he's said unequivocally he believes the 2nd amendment confers an individual right to bear arms (firearms). But that doesn't stop extremists from mischaracterizing, misquoting or outright lying about Obama's positions in order to gin up opposition. But again, in many cases they stir up the lunatic fringe into committing crimes (as in the Pittsburgh case) they may otherwise might not.

 

[don_equis]

Dude, sorry, but that is simply not true. While it may not be easy for foreigners to buy real estate in South Korea, it's not true that non-citizens are not allowed to own any property. Part of their industry and probably half of their stock market wouldn't work.


You gotta be joking, right. Ok, here's one example for you: how about every single country in the European Union? Or every ASEAN-country....and most of the countries in South America and Africa...


When did I say that? Don't try to win a discussion by countering arguments you invented and put in my mouth. My point was that the US (government and economy both) is the probably biggest debtor/borrower in the world right now, and still people like you behave like you own the world. Well, you may think you own it, doesn't change the fact that you pay interest to half the world for lending it to you.




Well first of all, I wasn't talking about your personal situation. I was talking about your attitude and the situation in general, which actually kinda forbids that attitude at the moment. I named the real estate market as just one example. Want me to continue with the crash of the New Economy or with the whole desaster that evolved (and in part still is evolving) around Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, AIG, General Motors, Washington Mutual,...?

And one more thing: every time you need money or resources we're supposed to nod "Yes! Yes!" and wag our tail in joyful stupidity, but the US is allowed to blow off the deal at any time? Sorry, dude, but international relations are not that simple.
And you still rage on and wonder about why there's people out there that think the world would be a better place without America? Well, good job pouring oil into their fire with that attitude. :thumbsup: Because honestly, this time (the whole financial and economic crisis going on), you really are the ones to blame.

There have been many more or less big "superpowers" in history before: China, Carthage, Rome/Italy, Macedonia/Greece, Germany, Britain, France, Spain, Russia, Japan etc. And when the US is long gone, others will follow in its footsteps. The US is not the epitome of historical supremacy.
And you're jumbling so many different historical events, settings and aspects in your posting, that its meaning is reduced to a pile of rubbish. It would take pages and pages to answer to all that, and we all know that Philbert would get a headache if I did that, considering how he always complains about the length of my postings.

But good luck with that whole isolation thing though, what with China, Singapore, Kuwait and Dubai alone holding 4,000 billion dollars in consolidated funds/state funds and all...

Man just do like Burger King and have it your way. My way is that if we are going to start appologizing for bad things, then there's a lot more that is allowed from the old world, but wait I am a product of those fucked up things that europeans did over here, do I go about asking for Europe to appoligize? no we move on. Yeah yopu are right foreign relations are not that simple and having the leader of your country going around with his hat on his hand asking for forgiveness and money is not the way.

By the way I wonder if you know that a lot of that bailout money went to European banks...but wait I do got to appologize because I do like European porn actresses and it's my fault that they get into the pron bussiness, that's about the only vice that I got.

and if you guys love Obama so much how about we send him over there and you guys can have him? to me he is garbage not good sorry ass on his knees kissing the King from the Saudis, no better than that fuked up Bush.

 

[Hot Mega]

no better than that fuked up Bush.

Bush had his chance to do stuff his way and per the last election, now it's Obama's chance to do what he believes in his way. It's likely the case that you previously didn't, do not now, nor will in the foreseeable future agree with Obama in any event.

There's always Costa Rica. Why not move there for then next four or eight years to save yourself all of these headaches Obama is causing you by shaking hands with other heads of states and acknowledging where we may have erred? :2 cents:

 

[boobfan]

Dude, I'm trying desperately to have a reasoned discussion on this with you but what in the hell are you talking about?????

Where (in this ENTIRE thread) did I say only Liberals can have grassroots organizations???????????????????????????????????????

I acknowledged that they exist on both sides...and pointed out that the ones you cited are examples of right leaning grassroots organizations. Therefore in my mind it was nothing more than a GOP gimmick. The point is that if ACORN and a group of other left leaning, grassroots organizations orchestrated a similar nationwide protest and the primary focus of their criticism was aimed at Republicans or a republican president. And it was re-iterated over and over on MSNBC by the station and their liberal hosts and every other host on Air America...I'm not going to be silly or stupid enough to try and spin that as anything more than a Democratic partisan gimmick.

That is what occurred in my view with these so called tea parties BUT it was republicans.

I really hate to burst your bubble but if you watch the socialist news (CBS) you would have heard Katie Couric say that many of the parties were actually organised by disgruntled Democrats and Independents, a few were organised by Republican and Libertarian groups in 'Red States' and that memers of ALL sides were in attendence at the parties.

 

[Hot Mega]

I really hate to burst your bubble but if you watch the socialist news (CBS) you would have heard Katie Couric say that many of the parties were actually organised by disgruntled Democrats and Independents, a few were organised by Republican and Libertarian groups in 'Red States' and that memers of ALL sides were in attendence at the parties.

Cite them. Also, not to burst your bubble but there are many "DINOs" (Democrats in name only) who didn't vote for Obama, don't support him now and in some cases are more conservative than republicans. Namely southern democrats who readily identify with former, so called "boll weevils" or "Dixiecrats".

 

[Baill Inneraora]

The thing I don't understand is why are the Republican’s bending over backwards trying to say the tea bagging was non partisan.

Here in C-bus, you had one Republican office holder and/or candidate after the other speak. All it was was a Republican rally.

Why are they trying to hide it?

 

[Friday on my mind]

The thing I don't understand is why are the Republican’s bending over backwards trying to say the tea bagging was non partisan.

Here in C-bus, you had one Republican office holder and/or candidate after the other speak. All it was was a Republican rally.

Why are they trying to hide it?

I don't think they are really tring to hide it.They want to be known as the ones opposing Obama and seen as the alternative to him and his policys.Its just some of the people here who seemingly are uncomfortable with that reality.

 

[Hot Mega]

I don't think they are really tring to hide it.They want to be known as the ones opposing Obama and seen as the alternative to him and his policys.Its just some of the people here who seemingly are uncomfortable with that reality.

The simple truth is this, for many reasons Obama has opponents in all parties including his own. Certainly the overwhelming majority of his opponents are in the republican party so it should be no shock that the overwhelming majority of these people are republicans. But so-called conservatism as practiced here in the states crosses party lines. Southern democrats are in many cases more conservative than northern Republicans.

The point is the GOP recognizes this and their only chance at relevancy and a return is to try and marshal all of Obama's opposition along issues and gimmicks they create.

 

[Friday on my mind]

The simple truth is this, for many reasons Obama has opponents in all parties including his own. Certainly the overwhelming majority of his opponents are in the republican party so it should be no shock that the overwhelming majority of these people are republicans. But so-called conservatism as practiced here in the states crosses party lines. Southern democrats are in many cases more conservative than northern Republicans.

The point is the GOP recognizes this and their only chance at relevancy and a return is to try and marshal all of Obama's opposition along issues and gimmicks they create.

All that is true of course and I would add that even in the north there are some traditonally democratic voters who probably oppose some of his policys and might attend such a rally.I am thinking of some folks such as those in Pa who were for Hillary.But as you say lets make no mistake about it this is still an overwhlmingly republican/conservative phenonenom and and for right now is still a fringe of the electorate. On a related matter to the republicans I was listening to Christie Todd Whitman former republican gov of my state the other day talking how the republicans better get away from the more extreme parts of the party like the religious right.She mentioned how wrong they were on the Terry Schiavo case and that if they did not get more inclusive they were doomed to only representing 30% of the country and you are not winning elections with that small a group.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

republicans can't stand to see anyone else in power

 

[Friday on my mind]

republicans can't stand to see anyone else in power

Well thats one I think the two parties are even on lol.And nothing wrong with that.But as Christie said the republicans are doomed to to being a permanent minority party unless they remold themselves and stop pandering to the more extrem elements.The noise you hear from some republicnas about why McCain lost that he was not conservative enough is sure plan to keep them out of step with majority of americans.

 

[bustybbwlover]

until we actually have more than a two party system, i'm afraid most of our politicians will have to pretend to be different, rather than really being different

 

[Donkey Boy]

I just want to know how many days into the current administration it will be until people stop blaming Bush.

 

[Hot Mega]

I just want to know how many days into the current administration it will be until people stop blaming Bush.

Not promising since GOPers spent all of Bush's two terms blaming Clinton.

Certainly Obama (nor anyone else) can't fix every screw up of the past 8 years in 3 months though.

 

[Donkey Boy]

Not promising since GOPers spent all of Bush's two terms blaming Clinton.

Certainly Obama (nor anyone else) can't fix every screw up of the past 8 years in 3 months though.

Alright. Then I wonder how long into the administration it will be before people actually start placing blame on the current POTUS.

 

[BlueBalls]

Alright. Then I wonder how long into the administration it will be before people actually start placing blame on the current POTUS.

I suppose when he fuck's up the war with Iran