Socialized Medicine Does Work

You post a bullshit, lame example of perceived 'failure' of socialized medicine (in another fucking country no less) which was likely an administrative issue and totally unrelated to type of funding.




An example that need not have happened.



Have you ever paid the AMT? You must be a multi millionaire who has the cash cushion to be taxed heavily and still be living within your means. Lucky you.

Us middle class people are sick of being taxed to death.
 
I'm sick of the people in the working class whining.
 
3. The one major thing lacking from Obama & the Dems proposition in 2009 was ......wait for it..... SINGLE-PAYER option.




Right so knock yourselves out if you want Obamacare socialized whatever. I really cannot afford to pay anymore than I already am.
 

Shifty

O.G.
An example that need not have happened.



Have you ever paid the AMT? You must be a multi millionaire who has the cash cushion to be taxed heavily and still be living within your means. Lucky you.

Us middle class people are sick of being taxed to death.

My taxes pay for my health care. They always have.

It's always worked for me.

Can you accept that?
 
Right so knock yourselves out if you want Obamacare socialized whatever. I really cannot afford to pay anymore than I already am.

articulate what about the Health Care Act of 2009 was "socialized" or subsidizing health care for the poor [don't bother posting a reply if its going to be more of your standard vapor rhetoric with no definitive substance]

the more you post on this subject leads me to believe you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

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"oh....this debt thing is just such a recent phenomenon"
 
articulate what about the Health Care Act of 2009 was "socialized" or subsidizing health care for the poor [don't bother posting a reply if its going to be more of your standard vapor rhetoric with no definitive substance]

the more you post on this subject leads me to believe you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

National%2520Debt-Congress.jpg

"oh....this debt thing is just such a recent phenomenon"


If it's owned, operated and financed by government then it's "socialized". The gov't is barely capable of running anything efficiently.

Are you willing to pay a tax surcharge for "socialized med"?




You can show me all the charts, graphs, Democrat/Rep. propaganda you want. A document that over 1,000 pages is almost impossible for one person to fathom let alone take in...............typical Fed work.

The only thing that I care is how will it effect my taxes. Answer that.
 
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If it's owned, operated and financed by government then it's "socialized". The gov't is barely capable of running anything efficiently.

Are you willing to pay a tax surcharge for "socialized med"?
you and I already do.
All your major advancements in medicine (and even Google/Tech) would not have came about if were not for government funding to Universities and grants to incentivize infrastructure. "Socialized" just like your commie highways and engineering standards.

The "socialism" moniker is meant to be a boogey-man. When the Health Care bill mandates that I purchase insurance from a private entity.....that isn't socialism. Thats called forced capitalism.

Because of the health care bill and the ARRA, Medicare/Medicaid is actually going back and auditing the last several years of work and recouping monies from various health agencies (check www.cms.gov ). It sucks to be a health care facility right now because (just as it would have been in the 90s with Hillary) the only way to improve health care across the board is to develop KPI / standardization within the industry.

I have a feeling you are going to have a hard time on this one extending yourself past what you hear on your AM radio and cable news pundits, and you're just going to trot out these strawmen and refrain "ugh....taxes". Face it - you're 1-dimensional with these hokey, rhetoric-filled threads you start with assertions in mind to force a perspective on people ala Frank Lutz

You won't find any "lefties" actually supporting the Presidents Health Care bill because it really doesn't do anything for them. It addressed nothing of what people demanding health care reform were asking for (true single-payor option and/or government-run insurance for all).



You can show me all the charts, graphs, Democrat/Rep. propaganda you want.
numbers are 'propaganda' now? Those are economic figures....are there 'republican' figures that are somehow different? :dunno:

A document that over 1,000 pages is almost impossible for one person to fathom let alone take in...............typical Fed work.
how many pages do you think a health care bill would be? No one seemed to be pissing their pants when that first $700B bail out money was being shoved down everyone's throat in the fall of 2008. Are you suggesting that representatives charged with validating legislation are too incompetent to read? You're probably right there. But your "its too big....we cannot has read" is a little tired.

The only thing that I care is how will it effect my taxes. Answer that.
what are your taxes supposed to go towards?
 
here, knock yourself out

Is JAMA a propaganda source?
As recently as 1981, only 8% of families filing for bank-
ruptcy did so in the aftermath of a serious medical problem.1
By contrast, our 2001 study in 5 states found that illness or
medical bills contributed to about half of bankruptcies.2
Since then, the number of un- and underinsured Ameri-
cans has grown;3 health costs have increased; and Congress
tightened the bankruptcy laws.4

http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_study/Bankruptcy-2009.pdf
 
what are your taxes supposed to go towards?



The the very real boogey-man is raising taxes. Someone always has to pay for any public program. I don't listen to any propaganda left or right. My experiences concerning "socialist" go back to the former Yugoslavia where medicine was one big clusterfuck.
For example, I went to one hospital in Belgrade and there were three people sharing a bed. Seeing people wait, wait, wait, government incompetence.
So my fears are very real.
 
the current health care system (2008 era) was 'right'?

Are you suggesting that the Health Care System in America was ideal?
Please, try to keep your rationale straight......one sentence you say its just the burden of taxing....then its that government can't run health care (again, you assert that they are 'government health agencies'.....there is nothing even remotely close to that proposed in America)


As far as your 'I don't listen to propaganda' - thats interesting, maybe you're a psychic or something - because it seems most of these slanted, strawman filled threads you start coincidently channel the current Right-Wing, Corporate-favoring Authoritarian meme that gets deciminated through the Clear Channel - FOX stream of consciousness. Probably completely unrelated, I suppose
 
You can show me all the charts, graphs, Democrat/Rep. propaganda you want. A document that over 1,000 pages is almost impossible for one person to fathom let alone take in...............typical Fed work.
hahahahahah you base things on gut feelings
 
Yeah, we should stay stagnant and keep our heads in this warm sand, "IDEALISTS!!!!!!!!"

get the fuck out of here with that "thinking and coming up with ideas" garbage!
 
Yeah, we should stay stagnant and keep our heads in this warm sand, "IDEALISTS!!!!!!!!"

get the fuck out of here with that "thinking and coming up with ideas" garbage!




Apparently that idealism leads to quite a few disappointed people in the end.
 
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