Socialized Medicine Does Work

[Nester6]

Who going to pay for socialized whatever?

Whos going to pay???? The 5000 who really work, to pay for the 5 million who collect! How long can this go on?? Obama does not see this.

 

[pete rose]

Right now I am looking at Will E. and Pete, but there are others that can get one, too, if you don't stop the feuding.

I'm looking at you, too...through your window. I'm in the tree adjacent to your window.

 

[ragincaucasian]

The emergency room will not throw anyone out on the street.

This is not "misinformation."

triage care is not "health care"

it isn't "free", either. The hospital simply has to write those expenses off because it can't deny care. I asked about specialty care (dentist / orthopedic / podiatry / etc), you swung and missed

 

[ragincaucasian]

this is what the "Obamacare" should've looked like (but it did more to enable the current broken system of health insurance)

With health costs rising, Vermont moves toward a single-payer system
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/blogs/the_angle/2011/04/vermonts_single.html

universal coverage. Because under the [Obama healthcare reform] there are still going to be 5 percent of people not covered. Second, they wanted to bring the under-insured up to some common standard benefit package. In Vermont, 15 percent of the people who have insurance have very shallow insurance. Third, they wanted to have a plan that can control cost escalation. And finally, their goal is to move healthcare delivery into an integrated delivery system. That entails integrating prevention, primary care, secondary care, and tertiary care into a vertically integrated healthcare delivery system. That's what just about every state wants to do. This is what often is referred to by the Madison Avenue term, value-based health care.

By introducing a single-payer system you remove the administrative expense, so you can get a one-time savings. Over the long run, the savings come from changing the payment system to providers. Right now we pay on a fee-for service basis — in other words, the more you do, the more you get paid. That encouraged doctors to do more — including more tests, more examinations, so forth. We could change the economic incentives for physicians to reward them for healing patients rather than how many services they provide. Second, the savings come from vertical integration of healthcare delivery. That would remove the duplication of tests, reduce drug complications, improve the continuity of care for patients. That would simplify administration, such as recordkeeping. You could share the same records. This is where the savings come from

 

[lovejoy]

Whos going to pay???? The 5000 who really work, to pay for the 5 million who collect! How long can this go on?? Obama does not see this.

The Canadian socialized medicine does work and really cut through a lot of paperwork. One single payer, the Government.

But there are some slight drawback, delayed specialists referral, long waiting time for ER in some inner city areas.

But overall, if you are willing to pay 13-15% sales tax, $5-$6 dollars gas and much higher tax, it will work !

 

[ragincaucasian]

But there are some slight drawback, delayed specialists referral, long waiting time for ER in some inner city areas.

I've got an honest question about this.....
How different would it be for the US? I mean, any time I've tried to make an appointment with a specialist (with really good insurance) its usually 2 - 4 weeks out before I can be seen (let alone treated). And by that time, I'm all like

So how much different would it be?

Unfortunately, just like "flat tax" or simplifying the tax code, there is no chance in hell America ever changes because there is too much industry influence on legistlature to provide the people what they need.

I really think we need to scrap the notion of republic government and try to come up with something else because what we've been doing for the last 80 years hasn't been working

 

[tialing]

In theory, Socialized anything sounds really good, almost like Star Trek, all of us working for the common good, the problem is that all the money we work hard hard making and use towards the common good is usually taken by those we put in charge to make sure things run smoothly!!

So no socialized anything will never work because us as people are a bunch of greedy bastards and if it means postponing someones life saving surgery so we can get a bigger bonus, we will choose the bigger bonus!!

Thank you

Not to mention the fact that this is not, I'm sorry to say, the only example or one example. Their are many examples in countries using socialized medicine. You can say we still have private insurance available all you want, but the rates going to get jacked up so high that no one will be able to afford it anyway.

 

[ragincaucasian]

but the rates going to get jacked up so high that no one will be able to afford it anyway.[/QUOTE]

What causes the American health costs to be so "jacked" in the.first place?

 

[CunningStunts]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/may/19/nhs-hospital-waiting-times-longer

Number of Brits having to wait 18 weeks for treatment up 26%.

No thank you.

 

[JacknCoke]

any idea what HHS is or the other two to the left of that?

 

[CunningStunts]

any idea what HHS is or the other two to the left of that?

:1orglaugh

For the win...

 

[Ulysses31]

Well a working week is Mon - Fri

Dying for the weekend: 25,000 U.S. patients die each year because they went to hospital on a Saturday or Sunday

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...year-went-hospital-weekend.html#ixzz1MzCa4Xi0

 

[georges]

socialized medecine is not going to work.I don't see people paying for others when it comes to health care, every one has to be responsible for their own.

 

[lurkingdirk]

socialized medecine is not going to work.I don't see people paying for others when it comes to health care, every one has to be responsible for their own.

Good thing - the American system, where you pay for your own, is working perfectly.

 

[CunningStunts]

Good thing - the American system, where you pay for your own, is working perfectly.

Not everyone... If an illegal immigrant hits you in his car, he has no insurance.

You both go to the hospital to get treated.

Guess who pays for each?

 

[ragincaucasian]

how dense of an argument can you make?

So if you have an accident and are unable to prove you have insurance, you should be left at the scene to fend for yourself, right?

Again, you've got to be intentionally disengenuous or an outright imbecile to think that triage care (ER) is equivalent to "socialized medicine" (i.e. chronic treatment)

 

[Straight Shooter]

We're taught in America that anything socialist is evil, you know like communism. Most people think socialism is communism, god this country is so stupid.