Should Muslim workers receive special privileges at their places of work?

[Legzman]

fuck no!

Our whole society is based on Christianity not fucking Muslim shit! Fuck them. I'm not christian, and sure as fuck not Muslim but work is for work. You wanna pray, do it on your lunch break. Why do I have to work while some rag fucker get's to take a few minutes nap? Or...go back to your own fucking country where they allow for such utter fucking nonsense!

 

[Henrik Larsson]

I've seen a Muslim kill a non-Muslim's son in the middle of the street.

That is America though.
I believe Muslims are a little more respected here.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

That is America though.
I believe Muslims are a little more respected here.

It wasn't America.


If anything, YOUR Muslims as a group are much worse than ours.


Didn't Scotland have a case where four Muslim "pillars of society" plotted an attack on a major airport? At least one of them was a doctor.


Anyway, I was going to let it go but I'm seeing one too many condescending posts by European Multicultists lecturing Americans.


You are the absolute last collection of people who should be lecturing us on how to deal with Muslims seeing that you have let them flood into your countries and we see the total lack of respect these Muslims have for European peoples.

Everything from gangrapes of non-Muslims to support for terrorism ensues and your OWN leaders have said that Multiculturalism is a failure.

Beyond that, it's not just a failed leftist policy but it's going to put the
long-term survival of your nations at risk.


European dbags should NOT lecture Americans on this subject. Assimilation is the key and Muslims are going to have to conform to a Western Christian/secularized cultural Christian society, not the other way around.

fuck no!

Our whole society is based on Christianity not fucking Muslim shit! Fuck them. I'm not christian, and sure as fuck not Muslim but work is for work. You wanna pray, do it on your lunch break. Why do I have to work while some rag fucker get's to take a few minutes nap? Or...go back to your own fucking country where they allow for such utter fucking nonsense!

Rep for you.

I've been an Agnostic for years and even I recognize this. Christianity is part of the DNA of the U.S. and those norms predate even the founding of our country. Even the founding fathers who didn't follow a religion still recognized it.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

I said fuck religion long ago

it just complicates things

 

[emceeemcee]

Our whole society is based on Christianity

Not at all, actually.



It's built on ideas from the Roman Republic and the enlightenment.

 

[emceeemcee]

Muslims are going to have to conform to a Western Christian/secularized cultural Christian society, not the other way around.

so you're demanding everyone submit to christianity now?

 

[Booboo]

I 100% disagree with that. How many of you guys actually know Muslims personally?

It is only 1 month in a year, and Muslims are a minority, so i doubt it will make an impact if they are allowed, say like 20 mins or something.

What does how many Muslims I know personally have anything to do with my argument? If you actually read and understood what I said, my comment was not really targeted at Muslims, but of any employee with religious "demands".

No matter how big or small the impact is, an employer should be able to decide what accommodations to give to his employees. If the employees do not like it, they can seek another employer. It's that simple. Just think of it like the same situation of an employee not being satisfied with his pay: he finds another place that will pay him what he wants.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

It is amazing how racist some of you guys are.
I'm no religious but Islam is one of hardest religions to follow IMO.
I don't know how hard it is but i know my friends find it hard as there are so many rules.
It is one month in a year and muslims would only take about 20 mins out of their day.
You guys make them out to be cavemen or something.
The Muslims that move to other countries still follow the laws of that country (at least the ones i have met anyway)
There are 11 other months in a year in which Muslims work harder than many people of that country, often for less money as well.
Muslims are no different than any other citizen and it is only a small number of the population of MUslims that are extremists.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The problem is they move to cultures that are very much in conflict with their way of life and the prevailing culture - the culture that has been in place since long ago - suffers because of their demands. I have no sympathy for them for this sort of malarkey and the negative view it brings to them as new Westerners.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

malarkey

Word of the week.

 

[D-rock]

In the US, employers must make REASONABLE accommodation to fit the needs of their employees. This includes religion.

That might be true...

BUT...if an employee is going to need some non-standard accommodation that most people don't need or get he also needs to inform his potential employer before they hire that person, especially if that might adversely effect the employer. Also the employer can and should outline what breaks and other things they give to EVERYBODY and that person can either except and do the job under those conditions or find a different job. I think that's makes sense and going against that is unreasonable.

I can definitely see a case being made that a person unable to work under those parameters being fairly classified as "incapable of doing the job" and not being hired.

It's unfair for an employer to have to accommodate somebody in a way they don't have to everybody else because that person wants something different from everybody else because of their own personal beliefs. If that’s the case what would keep somebody from just claiming their religion requires them to have an extra 30 minutes on to their lunch break whenever they wanted one?

Now if the employer knew what it was getting into when it hired the person and agreed to it that might be something else if they complained later.

 

[Ike Stain]

I'm not going to weigh in on the main issue, which is complicated (I tend though, to fall in the moderation category— Christians get Xmas off, so Jews should get their high holidays, Wiccans should get Samhain, Beltane, etc., and Muslims should also get some slack. It does soome difficult when the holiday is month long though. I heard a Muslim American comic talking about how he'd have to go onstage just when the break-fast time was there. No one was going to change the time of the show so he could eat earlier. He took it as just part of the deal.) The people who really get screwed are the atheists— we don't get any frickin' holidays.

What I will weigh in on is the assumption that a lot of posters on this thread have that all Muslims are the same. We all know what group you're talking about (i.e. first generation immigrants,) and yes they are strange to us, as all first generations are.

The difference between the US and Europe is that immigrants to the US (yes, even the scary Muslims,) invariably assimilate, with the kids born here squarely Americans, and by the third generation, the only difference is in the ancestry. A lot of assimilated muslims I know do Ramadan more for tradition than religion, (since they sure as hell ain't prayin' 5 times a day.)

History has proven again that America always benefits from it's immigrants. They way Scott feels about Muslims today is probably less hostile than how people felt about Chinese immigrants in the 19th Century. Irish and Italians were also one exotic and spit on, and they ended up building half the country.

While I'm ambivalent on the religious exception thing, I say let's welcome our immigrants, try understand them better, and remember that all people with a Muslim heritage are not the same, and there are many multi-generational Americans with this background and they are Americans just like everyone else.

So "kick 'em all out", while a valid viewpoint, is also self-declaring as ignorant— I think the ignorant people are hurting America more than Muslims ever could.

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Canada has a more sensible immigration policy than the U.S., and they're only a 10th of the population

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[PlasmaTwa2]

Canada has a more sensible immigration policy than the U.S., and they're only a 10th of the population.

Canada's immigration policy: Come on in! Hell, even if you try to enter our country illegally and you get caught, you're free to go anyway!

(Not sensible at all)

 

[Hot Mega]

Canada has a more sensible immigration policy than the U.S., and they're only a 10th of the population

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'edit' is right...Too bad you didn't correct it

Canada's immigration policy: Come on in! Hell, even if you try to enter our country illegally and you get caught, you're free to go anyway!

(Not sensible at all)

Canada is a fine place but who's going to illegally immigrate there? To get there easily you'd either have to go through US (in that case why stop or leave?)...or cross some body of water (namely an ocean) that makes the case even less likely to accumulate allot.

Those are the likely the reasons for the ratio not Canada's policies which in fact may be more 'librul' than ours.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

It is amazing how racist some of you guys are.
I'm no religious but Islam is one of hardest religions to follow IMO.
I don't know how hard it is but i know my friends find it hard as there are so many rules.
It is one month in a year and muslims would only take about 20 mins out of their day.
You guys make them out to be cavemen or something.
The Muslims that move to other countries still follow the laws of that country (at least the ones i have met anyway)
There are 11 other months in a year in which Muslims work harder than many people of that country, often for less money as well.
Muslims are no different than any other citizen and it is only a small number of the population of MUslims that are extremists.

It's amazing how naive and brainwashed you are.

I'm not going to weigh in on the main issue, which is complicated (I tend though, to fall in the moderation category— Christians get Xmas off, so Jews should get their high holidays, Wiccans should get Samhain, Beltane, etc., and Muslims should also get some slack. It does soome difficult when the holiday is month long though. I heard a Muslim American comic talking about how he'd have to go onstage just when the break-fast time was there. No one was going to change the time of the show so he could eat earlier. He took it as just part of the deal.) The people who really get screwed are the atheists— we don't get any frickin' holidays.

What I will weigh in on is the assumption that a lot of posters on this thread have that all Muslims are the same. We all know what group you're talking about (i.e. first generation immigrants,) and yes they are strange to us, as all first generations are.

The difference between the US and Europe is that immigrants to the US (yes, even the scary Muslims,) invariably assimilate, with the kids born here squarely Americans, and by the third generation, the only difference is in the ancestry. A lot of assimilated muslims I know do Ramadan more for tradition than religion, (since they sure as hell ain't prayin' 5 times a day.)

History has proven again that America always benefits from it's immigrants. They way Scott feels about Muslims today is probably less hostile than how people felt about Chinese immigrants in the 19th Century. Irish and Italians were also one exotic and spit on, and they ended up building half the country.

While I'm ambivalent on the religious exception thing, I say let's welcome our immigrants, try understand them better, and remember that all people with a Muslim heritage are not the same, and there are many multi-generational Americans with this background and they are Americans just like everyone else.

So "kick 'em all out", while a valid viewpoint, is also self-declaring as ignorant— I think the ignorant people are hurting America more than Muslims ever could.

That's not supported by the data showing that the CHILDREN of Muslim immigrants and young Muslim converts have more radical and anti-Western views than their parents.


Why is that? Because Islam is an expansionist ideology and it has a long history of trying to destroy Western society. A lot of the "glory" in being a Muslim has come at the expense of non-Muslims.


Anything less than non-Muslim submission to Muslim dominance is a slap in the face to Allah and his prophet.

 

[robot_r0ck]

Simply... NO.

 

[Galactic]

Nobody should get "special" rights. Nobody.

Of any faith.

Or belief.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

It's amazing how naive and brainwashed you are.

It is amazing how Racist you are :dunno:

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

It is amazing how Racist you are :dunno:

:funnyshit: