Seriously... how can you support ABORTIONS????

[Krazy4Kobe]

Their are court cases where a man as beaten his pregnant wife, and she ended up losing the baby. The man then was charged with murder. Why would he be convicted of murder, if he hadn't killed (as you put it) a baby?

K4K, you asked, and here it is.

From protection to punishment

At least 38 of the 50 states across America have introduced fetal homicide laws that were intended to protect pregnant women and their unborn children from violent attacks by third parties – usually abusive male partners – but are increasingly being turned by renegade prosecutors against the women themselves.

South Carolina was one of the first states to introduce such a foetal homicide law. National Advocates for Pregnant Women has found only one case of a South Carolina man who assaulted a pregnant woman having been charged under its terms, and his conviction was eventually overturned. Yet the group estimates there have been up to 300 women arrested for their actions during pregnancy.

In other states laws designed to protect children against the damaging effects of drugs have similarly been twisted to punish childbearers

Notice the law was written as "intended to protect their unborn children!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges

Do you even read the shit you post?!?!

There was NO CONVICTION of murder!!! LOL!!!
Charged and convicted are two DIFFERENT things!!!
Stupid fuck.


I have to go to confession now.
Be back later.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Do you even read the shit you post?!?!

There was NO CONVICTION of murder!!! LOL!!!
Charged and convicted are two DIFFERENT things!!!
Stupid fuck.

And people wonder why I don't debate in here. Try using that language and attitude in the real world and see how far you get. I enjoy debating, but when it turns into a "You Stupid Fuck" type of reply, the debate has ended.

 

[StarDebut]

Watch the movie Bol.

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

And people wonder why I don't debate in here. Try using that language and attitude in the real world and see how far you get. I enjoy debating, but when it turns into a "You Stupid Fuck" type of reply, the debate has ended.

What you do, sammy, is not debating.
Please do not give yourself that much credit.

 

[Sam Fisher]

What you do, sammy, is not debating.
Please do not give yourself that much credit.

No kidding!

Originally Posted by Sam Fisher
And people wonder why I don't debate in here.

Like I said, I would be happy to debate anyone.. but when it turns into a name calling, screaming match, I shut down.

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

Excellent!

Now we all know how to stop sammy's stupid shit from spreading!

Just call him a stupid head! LOL!!

 

[Sam Fisher]

And another reason... when you send childish, mean spirited comments to me when you Neg Rep me, do you REALLY think I'm going to have a debate with you? Like this one that you recently sent --

keep up the crappy work, nutcracker! lol! free entertainment!

Does that answer your question as to why I refuse to debate with you? In fact, I'll never reply to anything you ask me concerning anything, from this point forward.

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

Great!

Not like you put anything worthwhile or formidable on this site anyway!

LOL!!!


Crappy work, indeed!

 

[monicasilver]

I can respect people's feelings towards right to life or not having abortions. I get it and in many ways really agree with those feelings.

However, my personal feeling is that there are situations where the mother is too young, rape, perhaps serious defects that it may be better to abort rather than to ruin multiple lives. That is why I support pro-choice.

I like the idea that this debate is alive and there are people who feel differently than I do. This is not a topic that I think should rest.

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

People with thin skin feel that the debate has ended.

Whereas people in the "real world", take the House of Representatives for instance, give each other daily doses of name calling and keep coming back for more.
Yup, law makers and name-callers, one in the same! LOL!!!

Too bad sammy is too weak for the "real world".

 

[Ike Stain]

I believe life begins at ejaculation but I still support forced, mandatory abortion as part of a directed eugenics campaign to prepare human kind for the coming ice age.

http://www.iceagenow.com/

 

[SpexyAshleigh]

That's just one side of the coin, though. You're completely ignoring the same emotional consequences that can affect a man when he has essentially no say on whether or not he will actually get to see his child. Perhaps I should explain why I'm asking this: I had a friend of mine become pregnant about a year ago and she eventually got an abortion despite the wishes of both her family and the father. The father absolutely wanted the child, but she didn't because she didn't want to have to change her lifestyle. Her lifestyle? Getting drunk everyday and working at Wendy's. Is that fair? Here it was the woman who walked away like the child never existed and the guy who carried all the emotional baggage from the entire ordeal. It simply does not make sense to live in a country that calls for equal rights for everyone, yet when it comes to parenting the woman is given essentially sole control over whether or not the child will be born in the first place. In cases like this, the father should have equal rights to decide his own role in the child's life just like the mom does. It's not sexist or anti-feminist or anything, it's simply equality.

I see what you're saying, and I would agree with you if the father had any role or responsibility in growing and birthing a child but at the end of the day, pregnancy invades and takes over a womans body. Men don't have to do anything but sit back and get a beautiful baby at the end of it all. So if a woman decides that she wants HER body to remain hers, and not that of an unwanted child...thats her right. And not only that, but if a woman wants to live stupid and drunk, then again, thats her right. Everyone has to find her own bliss in life, and if motherhood isn't what you want, you SHOULDN'T become a mother. Thats just fucking yourself sideways, and fucking over the life of the child. Unhappy mothers = unhappy children.

I don't want children ever, and I can't imagine becoming pregnant because I'd be forced to consider abortion. Motherhood just isn't what I want in life. When I'm old enough to get my tubes tied (and yes, you have to be "old enough" for doctors to allow that to happen because they don't want to have to do a reversal if you change your mind later on) I'm getting them done but until then, I'm shit outta luck if the condom breaks or birth control fails. I don't want a child. And no matter how badly a guy I'm dating might want a baby, I just can't do it because its not what I want for my life, or my body. If I got knocked up, and the man had the right to decide whether I kept the baby or not...I'd feel horribly violated and feel that my basic human rights got taken away. Is it completely fair that a man has no choice in the matter? Of course not. But is it even fair that this decision has to fall on our shoulders and we're the gender that has to bear the responsibility of pregnancy and birth? Not fair either. Life isn't fair in most circumstances...you just need to do whats best for the child in question and for the lives that you lead and if a child isn't the best thing, then you do what you have to do (and a drunk mother who works in fast food doesn't sound like what would have been what was best for that child - just sayin)

 

[Ike Stain]

is it even fair that this decision has to fall on our shoulders and we're the gender that has to bear the responsibility of pregnancy and birth?

Exactly. It should be the man's decision. When did society become so skewed???

 

[StarDebut]

People with thin skin feel that the debate has ended.

Whereas people in the "real world", take the House of Representatives for instance, give each other daily doses of name calling and keep coming back for more.
Yup, law makers and name-callers, one in the same! LOL!!!

Too bad sammy is too weak for the "real world".

or maybe he just thinks that name-callers are dicks, and he feels he could do other, better, things with his time. Not a solution but food for thought.

 

[Straight Shooter]

It's none of my business what a women does with her body. Plain and simple.

 

[Ike Stain]

or maybe he just thinks that name-callers are dicks, and he feels he could do other, better, things with his time. Not a solution but food for thought.

True. The difference between Sam and someone like, oh, I don't know, Will E. Worm, is Sam is genuinely trying to have a discussion. While his sourcing may be sometimes biased, there is a school of thought that says it's better to know what your opponents are thinking than to dismiss them, because you do so at your own peril. Rather than attacking the man, you should see this as an opportunity to try and change his mind while he tries to change yours. :2 cents:

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

or maybe he just thinks that name-callers are dicks, and he feels he could do other, better, things with his time. Not a solution but food for thought.

As long as the government is presenting bills on/at/about this issue, the debate is never over.
Just because one lameo doesn't like when the game doesn't go his way doesn't mean the game stops! LOL!!!
Yes, please, sammy, find better things to do with your time...far away from here.

True. The difference between Sam and someone like, oh, I don't know, Will E. Worm, is Sam is genuinely trying to have a discussion. While his sourcing may be sometimes biased, there is a school of thought that says it's better to know what your opponents are thinking than to dismiss them, because you do so at your own peril. Rather than attacking the man, you should see this as an opportunity to try and change his mind while he tries to change yours. :2 cents:

Except with someone like sammy, who is so biased, there is no room for change.

 

[Ike Stain]

Except with someone like sammy, who is so biased, there is no room for change.

That's not my experience and I've only been sparring with him a short time. As abhorrent as his world view may be to many, and as flawed as his thinking may sometimes be, as wingnuts go, I actually find him quite moderate.

For instance, instead of calling this thread "If you support abortion you are a MURDERED", he's actually asking you to express your position.

I, for instance, believe parents should be allowed to murder their children— how else are they supposed to keep them in line?

 

[feller469]

I am sure it has been mentioned, but I can think of a couple cases when an abortion would have benefitted the world

 

[BlueBalls]

They're easy to masturbate to.