One of the things that concerns me is that, from what I've heard (via MSM), she is not a Christian . . .she is an Evangelical Christian, and of the ECs that I know of, it's not particularly a comfort to be in their company. I find that many ECs are over the top obsessive and look at everything as it relates to their religious persuation.
I cannot stand that holier than thou dr james dobson asshole who suggests that if you don't believe as he, well, you're goin' to hell. :thefinger

Guess what ? I'm for religious freedom, always have been ! Ditto for those who wish to take an areligious view of things.

Just keep it too yo f'en self !
Reveal only that of which is asked.

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Could not agree more. But I will stick my neck out here, and venture forth into dangerous waters. I don't like Christians, period. So as far as the it's over, slam dunk, what the fuck ever the original poster said..........I don't think so, buddy. There are a lot of intelligent, free minded, haven't been brainwashed by spooky bible thumpers and are still able to form a rational, logical, free thought thinkers out there, who do not subscribe to your good ol' fashioned morals ideal. ANY fanatic is a dangerous one. It doesn't matter if they have C4 strapped to their chest, or are carrying a bible.

Fuck.
 

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I've only known about (church lady) palin since McCain announced her as his running mate and in that short time she has already spewed enough :bs: that she makes me nauseous whenever I hear her voice or I see her ugly ass on TV!! :pukey: :throwup: :thefinger
 
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Do we really need 4 more years of bull? I'm not saying Obama will be a great president, but I think our economy does not need 4 more years of a Republican in the white house. IMO. Furthermore why would you want to vote for a POW just because he severed our country(Thanks Btw). I think him being a POW, or anyone that was or have been a POW for that matter, all go a little nutty (PTSD). In lue of this post, I heard a great joke the other day: "What's the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom?"
 
Our economy ...

Our economy 20 years of a Democrat or Republican, and the environment another 30 years of either for that matter. I mean, I've been bitching about both the fiscal and foreign policies going back to Herbert Walker Bush.

Hell, Obama wouldn't even make a good socialist President for that matter, which is what we are quickly becoming. And if you think W. had a lot to do with it, it was already set before he stepped in office (the added debt of the war and pork that came with it is just icing).

The .COM bust finally caused major job losses the first quarter W. was in, then 9/11 happened, then people totally lost all confidence within a year when the jobs came back and it was only temporarily "revitalized" by the Real Estate boom which was as fake as the .COM boom.

All of this was set in motion before Iraq. Iraq didn't cause it, although it certainly didn't help. People need to actually read their federal budget -- at least the summary sheets -- and recognize where the overwhelming majority of money goes.

People forget the state of the economy in 2000, or 1992 for that matter. I mean, all that money during the Clinton administration during the .COM boom -- totally fake as well, erradicated largely in 2000. It's just been one temporary "market fix" after another, but there's nothing left after commodities.

And we've finally faced the reality of our energy policies, which have been 30 years of environmental ignorance. It's "too late" to switch to nuclear for 30% and wind for another 20%, it will take another 20 years to finally do it.

Don't vote "against" candidates. That's why we get these problems. Vote for "solutions" or, better yet, pay for them with your own purchasing decisions. Works far better than politicians.

This election is so "dumb," and how both sides are running, it is insulting. Then again, the overwhelming majority of my peer engineers have been rolling their eyes with me for decades. From the Moon Landings (God help us) to 9/11 (especially now that I read the NIST and ASCE briefs) to -- especially so -- the environment. Americans are just too ignorant of basic science to vote now.

We deserved the fucked up mess we're in. We didn't care, couldn't put it together, so we caused it ourselves.
 
Re: Our economy ...

Iraq didn't cause it, although it certainly didn't help. People need to actually read their federal budget -- at least the summary sheets -- and recognize where the overwhelming majority of money goes.

Did you notice what AFA posted, on another thread, re the total cost of the two wars, including long term care to veterans? I believe it was in the neighborhood of seven trillion dollars.
 
Ok here is my take on EVERYONE in Washington D.c. THEY ALL SUCK!!! Every last fucking one of them. NONE of them care about us, they care about thier own agendas, and how much they can line their pockets with OUR money. Everything they all do is nothing but fucking mind games, and we all follow along like good little sheep (myself included) It doesn't matter who gets into the whitehouse, they won't do shit that that promise, just like its been for the last 50 years, they have this country set up just the way they ALL want it. They get all the power and money and the rest of us get shit on, over and over again. Do you really think any of them gives a shit about gas prices, or how much a gallon of milk costs, HELL NO, they aren't paying for that shit, we are out of our taxes which pays their saleries. Want to overhaul the health care system, my ass. They all get FREE healthcare for themselved AND their families EVERYONE of them from the president all the way down to the senators and reps. NONE of them care about any of us at all. They all need to be drug behind cars and shot, and we need to start the government over again, the way the founding fathers intended it to be, which was a Government by the people, for the people, not this shit we have now. Believe me, if they were alive today, the founding fathers would all be puking!!!!
 
Re: Our economy ...

Did you notice what AFA posted, on another thread, re the total cost of the two wars, including long term care to veterans? I believe it was in the neighborhood of seven trillion dollars.
Oh, you want to play the "long-term" game, eh?
That's fun! I mean, take anything you want, and compound it.

Take wasted tax payer dollars versus if it was invested in the private sector.
Take how many stupid safety nets we have and compound the fuck out of that as well.

Dude, I could easily come up with a number that shows 9/11 caused more than $20T worth of damage.
Or the utter .COM boom-bust farce, and how much that fucker cost us (easily 13 figures as well).

We could play all those games all we want, over and over.
 

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How do you know he didn't offer her the position?
He may very well have, only to have her reject it.
Either way Hillary never at any time exhibited any interest whatsover in being VP.



Well, Biden has tons more experience than Hillary, particularly in the arena of foreign relations, an arena where an Obama/Clinton ticket would have been attacked as being weak. He's been a U.S. senator for 35 years. He's a long time member and the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He has also served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Furthermore, it's a dicey enough proposition trying to get a black man elected president in America. A ticket with a black man and a liberal woman would be all the dicier.



:confused: How are voters supposed to appraise her if not by her experience (or lack of) and the things she has done in her past??



Fresno, the next time I see you disagree with anything any woman has ever had to say about anything on this board will be the first.


I'm amusing that you don't like Hillary ? :dunno:
 
How do you know he didn't offer her the position?
He may very well have, only to have her reject it.
Either way Hillary never at any time exhibited any interest whatsover in being VP.



Well, Biden has tons more experience than Hillary, particularly in the arena of foreign relations, an arena where an Obama/Clinton ticket would have been attacked as being weak. He's been a U.S. senator for 35 years. He's a long time member and the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He has also served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Furthermore, it's a dicey enough proposition trying to get a black man elected president in America. A ticket with a black man and a liberal woman would be all the dicier.



:confused: How are voters supposed to appraise her if not by her experience (or lack of) and the things she has done in her past??



Fresno, the next time I see you disagree with anything any woman has ever had to say about anything on this board will be the first.

I do disagree with women sometimes and when I do I say it. as for you you need to show some respect for the young lady!
 

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How do you know he didn't offer her the position?
He may very well have, only to have her reject it.
Either way Hillary never at any time exhibited any interest whatsover in being VP.



Well, Biden has tons more experience than Hillary, particularly in the arena of foreign relations, an arena where an Obama/Clinton ticket would have been attacked as being weak. He's been a U.S. senator for 35 years. He's a long time member and the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He has also served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Furthermore, it's a dicey enough proposition trying to get a black man elected president in America. A ticket with a black man and a liberal woman would be all the dicier.



:confused: How are voters supposed to appraise her if not by her experience (or lack of) and the things she has done in her past??



Fresno, the next time I see you disagree with anything any woman has ever had to say about anything on this board will be the first.





I'm amusing that you don't like Hillary ? :dunno:


But, its one thing I can agree with that you said : Joe Biden does have some experience in politics, but Hillary has the same thing too. She was in the (White House) with her husband. I think she has good political skills on her record, why not have Hillary as his VP ? I think she could had made a difference. And yes, Barack Obama did make a mistake of choosing Joe Biden as his VP. He's not going to win the nomination as President. Joe Biden was a mistake of getting him as his VP, why do you think Barack Obama is not doing so well in the poll margin ? You talking about Hillary not having experience. Well, sheesh... Barack Obama never had experience in politics, he's still new in politics. At least, Hillary have some experience in politics, being in the White House, quite sometime. And yes, I would like for Barack Obama to win the nomination as president. I'm an African-American, Negro Woman. I would love for Barack Obama to win! I'm not a hater of his! But, I'm afraid to say that Barack Obama is going to lose this election - I don't want him to lose... I have a bad feeling about this, and if you watch the news more often you would see the poll margin, seeing how many voters choose over : John McCain vs Barack Obama. I don't think Barack Obama is going to win because of his race, now if he was white, then that would be whole different story. US is not ready for a black man to be president, because this country has so much hate/racism, if you do your history, know what I'm trying to say, then you would already know!
 
I'm still thinking she's a joke candidate, and Steve Jobs is going to pop out with a big laugh.

Seriously! I think the blonde down the street has about the same credentials, but I have a better chance of getting laid. I say! It's time to stand up for blondes!
 
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Re: Our economy ...

Oh, you want to play the "long-term" game, eh?
That's fun! I mean, take anything you want, and compound it.

Take wasted tax payer dollars versus if it was invested in the private sector.
Take how many stupid safety nets we have and compound the fuck out of that as well.

Dude, I could easily come up with a number that shows 9/11 caused more than $20T worth of damage.
Or the utter .COM boom-bust farce, and how much that fucker cost us (easily 13 figures as well).

We could play all those games all we want, over and over.

Thank you...you put it into words so well.
If people really had an opinion they would take the time to express it. Most political expression is false statistics, coupled with "we're all gonna die" dire warnings about this evil and stupid politician (how do so many "stupid" politicians (allegedly) do so many sucessfully nefarious things?), who has done this complex and horrible thing while at the same time being racist and ignorant...huh?
It is refreshing to read a concise thought and something put clearly without screaming insults about one party and praising the Doppelganger in the other .
(I hope no one has a choking fit while trying to refute your post!:rofl:)

:glugglug:
 
Re: Our economy ...

Oh, you want to play the "long-term" game, eh?

Dude, I could easily come up with a number that shows 9/11 caused more than $20T worth of damage.

Whoa like, check it out, Dude.

I wasn't playing any games, nor was I asserting anything.

I simply asked if you'd seen AFA's link on anther thread stating an estimated cost of the two wars at seven trillion dollars.

Here's the link:

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2504509&postcount=71

Got an issue with it? Take it up with AFA.
 
I'm amusing that you don't like Hillary ? :dunno:

Amusing?
I take it you mean assuming.
Why do you assume I don't like Hillary? I said nothing to indicate anything of the sort :confused:

I just stated a couple of facts:

1) Biden has more experience
2) Outside the party, among the undecideds and the moderates (where a close election figures to be decided) Hillary could be a more divisive VP candidate than Biden. A ticket with a black man and a woman is a dicey proposition in a country as conservative as the United States.

Now, if you'd be so kind, I'd be interested to hear your response to the question I previously posed to you about Sarah Palin:

How are voters supposed to appraise her if not by her experience (or lack of) and the things she has done in her past??

I do disagree with women sometimes and when I do I say it.

Not that I've ever seen. Never seen you nominate anyone other than a woman for POTW or MOTW either.

as for you you need to show some respect for the young lady!

Excuse me??? :1orglaugh

I think you need to re-read my post.

Just how in the fuck did I disrespect her?

(this should be interesting....)

Do you mean because I took the time to politely address her comments and question and asked her a follow up one? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Amusing?
I take it you mean assuming.
Why do you assume I don't like Hillary? I said nothing to indicate anything of the sort :confused:

I just stated a couple of facts:

1) Biden has more experience
2) Outside the party, among the undecideds and the moderates (where a close election figures to be decided) Hillary could be a more divisive VP candidate than Biden. A ticket with a black man and a woman is a dicey proposition in a country as conservative as the United States.

Now, if you'd be so kind, I'd be interested to hear your response to the question I previously posed to you about Sarah Palin:

How are voters supposed to appraise her if not by her experience (or lack of) and the things she has done in her past??



Not that I've ever seen. Never seen you nominate anyone other than a woman for POTW or MOTW either.



Excuse me??? :1orglaugh

I think you need to re-read my post.

Just how in the fuck did I disrespect her?

(this should be interesting....)

Do you mean because I took the time to politely address her comments and question and asked her a follow up one? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Ok, I'm going to leave this thread. It's not worth it, especially if I get banned over this, let you play by yourself :rolleyes:
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_re_us/road_to_nowhere;_ylt=Ar6cP3ctCny73mje_mhF4.1I2ocA

Alaska town opens 'road to nowhere'

JUNEAU, Alaska - Alaska now has a Road to Nowhere going to what would have been the Bridge to Nowhere.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's transportation department has completed a $25 million gravel road leading to the site of a bridge that Palin, as John McCain's vice presidential candidate, now boasts that she stopped, so as to save taxpayers money. The road was built with federal tax dollars.

Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein said the 3.2-mile road will be useful for road races, hunters and possibly future development. But with no bridge to serve it, that's probably about it.

"I think it will be good for recreational things like a 5K and a 10K," Weinstein said. "And instead of people walking through brush, it may be used for hunting in the area."

Palin repeatedly tells campaign crowds she said "thanks but no thanks" to Washington when it came up with $400 million for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. In fact, she turned against the bridge only after it became a national symbol of wasteful spending and Washington had backed off financing the project.

Roger Wetherell, speaking for the state Transportation Department, said the road opened several days ago might someday get people to and from Gravina Island after all, if cheaper designs for a bridge become a reality. Meantime, it opens access to land development, he said.

McCain opposes the pet projects that lawmakers in Washington wring out of the federal budget for their constituents in the form of special spending, or earmarks. He's railed for years against the bridge, doing more than anyone to make the nickname Bridge to Nowhere stick. And as his running mate, Palin talks about how she killed the bridge project and "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress."

She supported the bridge during her campaign for governor in 2006, then pulled back state money for it a year later, after Washington had pulled the plug.

Alaska received about half the bridge money anyway, on condition it be used for other things. Palin's predecessor and the Legislature redirected all but $60 million in 2006 to other projects, and Palin has left the remainder untouched, to be used eventually to improve access to the island, her spokeswoman has said.

The airport is separated from its users by a quarter-mile-wide channel of water, forcing travelers to catch either a ferry or a water taxi for a 15-minute ride. Ketchikan, seven blocks wide and eight miles long, is Alaska's entry port for northbound cruise ships that bring more than 1 million visitors yearly."
 
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