Roe v. Wade

[John_8581]

One thing I don't get is why many Republicans were anti-vax on the basis that "it's my body, my choice", and yet in this case they're totally ok with the government imposing their will on their right to choose whether they have an abortion or not.

Most Republicans are Christian. That means they are pro-life. So of course, they are going to be against abortion rights. And it's not them themselves per say, it is others who are seeking abortions. There is a big difference,

 

[Mr. Daystar]

One thing I don't get is why many Republicans were anti-vax on the basis that "it's my body, my choice", and yet in this case they're totally ok with the government imposing their will on their right to choose whether they have an abortion or not.

For the same reason Harris can say "we are not going to give up our Constitutional rights as women". But in the next sentence will disregard the Constitution, and scream about guns. She, they, are all self serving hypocrites. Because as politicians.

 

[gmase]

One thing I don't get is why many Republicans were anti-vax on the basis that "it's my body, my choice", and yet in this case they're totally ok with the government imposing their will on their right to choose whether they have an abortion or not.

At the core, they were using the slogan to mock the vaccine mandates. Like Joe joked at the White House Superspreader Dinner:


“Plus, everyone had to prove they’re fully vaccinated and boosted. So if you’re home watching this, and you’re wondering how to do that, just contact your favorite Fox News reporter. They’re all here, vaccinated and boosted. All of them.”

It is all theater.

 

[gmase]

For the same reason Harris can say "we are not going to give up our Constitutional rights as women". But in the next sentence will disregard the Constitution, and scream about guns. She, they, are all self serving hypocrites. Because as politicians.

Oddly enough, ‘arms’ is used in the Constitution while abortion is absent. We can debate well-regulated militia - the often forgotten part of the Second Amendment.

// not related to Daystar’s post but avoiding the @assari triple post.

We have a document which has been amended and expanded over the past 235 years. Going backwards doesn’t seem practical. Especially when the opinion’s author is citing non U.S. sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/09/alito-13th-century-law-roe-opinion-snl/

Truth through parody.

 

[Tokaji]

Most Republicans are Christian. That means they are pro-life. So of course, they are going to be against abortion rights. And it's not them themselves per say, it is others who are seeking abortions. There is a big difference,

You made me think....

If Pew is correct, you seem to be too

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

No, we shouldn't go back. All this is going to accomplish, is to cause violence, unhealthy and risky medical procedures, and the persecution, and prosecution of people that are innocent. I personally have no use for abortion, and I am very thankful I've never been in that situation, but it isn't my job to judge morality, and it's not my right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do. If it were my girlfriend, or future wife, I would hope she would allow me some input, but it is her decision. As far as it involving a wife, I think the husband should have a little to say, but if the woman is told her health is at risk, a good husband would understand. However, I do think I have a big say in my wifes health, outside of the whole abortion topic, I think that's much different.

A well regulated militia, is the United States Armed Forces, we are the people. For an explanation, I refer you to the video I posted a couple of pages back.

It has been tinkered with, and not always to the country, or the peoples best interest. I don't think the termination of a pregnancy should be a Constitutional right, but it should be a legal thing, based on the separation of church and state. Anti abortion people are frequently seen thumping bibles, and don't seem to understand not everyone believes what they do, and that this country was based on individual freedoms. They feel the moral obligation to save souls, and spread the word. The problem is, they want to spread to everyone, even those that don't want to hear it. It really is similar to gun control, as far as the far fringes go. anti abortion people want no abortion, it's murder, pro choice don't believe you should have an abortion, they just believe if you want one, you should be able to get it, Same with guns, the pro gun crowd doesn't expect you to have to buy a gun, they just want the right if they choose, but anti gun people want no one to have them, because they don't want one. Then there are those who float in the middle, but no one pays attention to them, because they make a little to much sense to be understood. Or at least that's the way I see it.

 

[gmase]

Most Republicans are Christian. That means they are pro-life. So of course, they are going to be against abortion rights. And it's not them themselves per say, it is others who are seeking abortions. There is a big difference,

It is them too. They just have an incentive to hide it. How many evangelicals fall way short of what they preach?

 

[Tokaji]

It is them too. They just have an incentive to hide it. How many evangelicals fall way short of what they preach?

Somewhere between 100% and 100% of them.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

One thing I don't get is why many Republicans were anti-vax on the basis that "it's my body, my choice", and yet in this case they're totally ok with the government imposing their will on their right to choose whether they have an abortion or not.

One of their arguments is that the state is obligated to protect the rights of the fetus which they argue is a person worthy of the same rights the mother is entitled to.

A separate argument apart from the fetus issue, is whether abortion is a federal level(Constitution) jurisdiction issue or a state level jurisdiction issue.

 

[xfire]

 

[Johan]

To me, this is all about control women's body. every other argument they may use in favor ofr baning abortion are just tools they used for that agenda. This is something christianity, Judaism and Islam have in common ; they want men to control women, they would tell you that, when women aren't under control, when women have some freedom bad things happen,

 

[D-rock]

I don't know about Islam, but Judeo-Christian biblical text have never been clear on where a "person" begins despite the bullshit some practitioners of those religions say or the moon logic they come with to justify their positions. Where a "person" begins matters a lot. Knowing where life begins is easy, but then again I don't worry about stepping on a blade of grass because it might be the catalyst for the evolution of a intelligent life form millions of years from now. Just because something might be a life isn't good enough. Knowing when a person begins is hard, and outside of God himself coming down and telling us when a person begins we have to default to after birth that most people believe it to be. On the other hand I know a women's right to be in control of her own body is violated by other people making medical decisions for her when it doesn't hurt outside people, and it's a violation of human rights in my view. That's why I'm pro choice because it's an obvious human right against a debatable spiritual unknown.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I thought I read somewhere on the internet that many popes ago, the pope at the time, decided it was at conception, a soul was created, and that's just what they seem to have kept. I think I read at the same time, that islam forbids it only if the mother is in mortal danger, and I believe that the soul is developed at 5 months. I'm forgot what the rules for the Jewish are.

 

[Tokaji]

View attachment 968260

Quite a bit of truth in this meme.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/internal-dhs-memo-warns-threats-155137666.html

I think all of the leaders, of the various and assorted pro life, and pro choice groups, ought to get together, and have a Royal Rumble, to settle their differences.
But seriously, this is going to start getting real nutty, real soon. I'm not sure I can remember any drastic acts being committed by the pro choice side, but I know those pro life nuts like to kill doctors and blow up clinics.

 

[Johan]

 

[Johan]

'After Which Failed Pregnancy Should I Have Been Imprisoned?' Asks Rep. Lucy McBath​

The congresswoman highlighted how right-wing attacks on abortion rights could also impact the healthcare available to patients who experience miscarriages and stillbirths.

Congresswoman Lucy McBath on Wednesday shared her own difficult experiences to point out how attacks on abortion rights by right-wing judges and legislators could impact what treatment doctors can provide to patients who, like her, endure miscarriage and stillbirth.

The Georgia Democrat's comments came during a U.S. House Judiciary Committee hearing entitled "Revoking Your Rights: The Ongoing Crisis in Abortion Care Access," an event held as the country prepares for the Supreme Court to issue a final ruling expected to reverse Roe v. Wade.
"For two weeks, I carried a lost pregnancy and the torment that comes with it," McBath said. "I never went into labor on my own. When my doctor finally induced me, I faced the pain of labor without hope for a living child."
"This is my story—it's uniquely my story—and yet it's not so unique," McBath continued, noting how common pregnancy loss is.

"And so I ask, on behalf of these women: After which failed pregnancy should I have been imprisoned?"
"Would it have been after the first miscarriage, after doctors used what would be an illegal drug to abort the lost fetus?" she asked. "Would you have put me in jail after the second miscarriage?"
"Or would you have put me behind bars after my stillbirth—after I was forced to carry a dead fetus for weeks, after asking God if I was ever going to be able to raise a child?" she continued, explaining that her questions were relevant because "the same medicine used to treat my failed pregnancies is the same medicine states like Texas would make illegal."

In the United States, miscarriage is usually defined as pregnancy loss before the 20th week while stillbirth is one that occurs after, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

New Hampshire Public Radio reported last week that a "recent experience in Texas illustrates that medical care for miscarriages and dangerous ectopic pregnancies would also be threatened if restrictions become more widespread."

As the outlet detailed:
One Texas law passed last year lists several medications as abortion-inducing drugs and largely bars their use for abortion after the seventh week of pregnancy. But two of those drugs, misoprostol and mifepristone, are the only drugs recommended in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists guidelines for treating a patient after an early pregnancy loss.

The other miscarriage treatment is a procedure described as surgical uterine evacuation to remove the pregnancy tissue—the same approach as for an abortion.

"The challenge is that the treatment for an abortion and the treatment for a miscarriage are exactly the same," said Dr. Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Washington in Seattle and an expert in early pregnancy loss.

[...]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...d-i-have-been-imprisoned-asks-rep-lucy-mcbath

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/synagogue-challenges-florida-abortion-law-173756438.html

I'm not sure if any other states have filed suit similar to this. I haven't noticed any on Yahoo, which is really the only sit I grab articles from, but lets hope it puts a foot in the door, before it closes.

 

[gmase]

It is now official.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-00042244

Susan Collins feels jilted by Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. Their votes were ‘inconsistent’ with what they told her.

Manchin is ‘alarmed’.

They played with fire and just got burned. Clarence Thomas wants to tee up some other recently granted rights. America is dialing it back a century.

 

[Johan]

You can thank Trump (and Moscow Mitch) for that : A 5-4 ruling means that, if we had a progressive judge instead of Judge Barret, that wouldn't have passed, that would have been 5-4 in favor of keeping Roe v Wade.

Naming Amy Coney-Barrett to replace Ruth Bader-Ginsburg is probably the worst thing that Trump did in his entire mandate and rushing her nomination is probably the worst thing Mitch did since he his GOP leader in the Senate