Racist and Racism

[pete rose]

We've really advanced though.

Can't really say the same for this message board.

 

[Hot Mega]

mega, again in my example the context was the same.
it was a greeting, nothing more.

I know you will take this as an insult but dude...again, you teach???

Context includes circumstances, setting, surrounding, background etc. Obviously two people familiar with one another may say anything to each other while a complete stranger may not.

imagine a foreigner in the usa seeing 2 guys saying "what up fuckface" to each other, all smiley faced and stuff.
then that same light skinned foreigner walks up to both the guys and says " hey what up fuckfaces" , and gets a brutal beating by both.

How would you explain why that happened to the foreigner?

man this is new thread material is it not?
seriously though, how would you explain that in a way that makes sense?

How would you explain that in a way that makes sense? Sorry for the youtube vid...the better ones wouldn't embed.

 

[meesterperfect]

ugh, oh, oh lawdy.
yes i teach english in schools and businesses, six days a week, 4 hours per day.

I understand what your trying to say.
here are some examples of context

look through - you can look through a drawer, a book, a closet , any enclosed area.
or you can look through a window or something clear.
look out- you can look out of a window ect, or it could be a warning.
get through - you can get through a tunnel, or you can make someone understand something, like how do i get through to hotmega.
or you can get through an ordeal or difficult situation.
get - could mean obtain, get coffee. change or become- get happy, married.
could mean arrive, get home.
ect ect.

but a white guy saying whats up ****** and a black guy saying it does not mean a change in context, both ways are still a greeting.
now its about who can say what to who, and no i don't get into that in my classes.
i dont talk race, religion and very seldom politics

the video was a good example of what you mean.
i just consider that more joking between friends.
but i see your point and it is a fine line between my point

 

[Hot Mega]

ugh, oh, oh lawdy.
yes i teach english in schools and businesses, six days a week, 4 hours per day.

I understand what your trying to say.
here are some examples of context

Apparently, it's the other way around. You are trying to understand what I am saying.

look through - you can look through a drawer, a book, a closet , any enclosed area.
or you can look through a window or something clear.
look out- you can look out of a window ect, or it could be a warning.
get through - you can get through a tunnel, or you can make someone understand something, like how do i get through to hotmega.
or you can get through an ordeal or difficult situation.
get - could mean obtain, get coffee. change or become- get happy, married.
could mean arrive, get home.
ect ect.

Not to belabor the point but what you're giving examples of above (or trying to) are homonyms of which only maybe one example actually is. (Looking through a drawer and looking through a window..the use is the same.:2 cents

but a white guy saying whats up ****** and a black guy saying it does not mean a change in context, both ways are still a greeting.

Like the example I gave before with Carroll O'Connor...race doesn't inherently establish the context

What establishes the context are the circumstances (i.e. interpretation based on intent...intent by virtue of connotation:derogatory, etc.)

now its about who can say what to who, and no i don't get into that in my classes.

Maybe not and you probably don't have to teach context per se as it's probably a universal concept. Colombians as well as anyone else in the world understand slang expressions can be interpreted different ways depending on the circumstances. But if they wanted to understand from you what that concept is, it's clear to me you would be woefully incapable of explaining it.

the video was a good example of what you mean.
i just consider that more joking between friends.
but i see your point and it is a fine line between my point

Right! So the contextual difference was one guy was a friend the other was a stranger. Being a friend you can readily ascertain whether the intent of a usually pejorative word is being used in a derogatory manner or not. Stranger on the other hand...usually derogatory words or phrases are taken at face value...derogatory.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Ok, serious question: What if I stub my toe, or accidentally hit my elbow on a door jamb, or something similarly clumsy, and I remark, out of pain and surprise: "******!" Would that be considered racist? The intent of being racist or hateful towards the door jamb isn't there, the context is the use of an interjection to remark on my pain, and an inanimate object cannot, IMO, be of any type of racial group. Is it racist? Or is it no harm (no harm intended nor felt), no foul?

Is the racism of that comment (or lack thereof) decreased if I am alone (tree falling, no one around type stuff), increased if in a small group or around animals etc...?

I heard some kid yelling "double ******!" after getting a cola dumped on him by mistake a the concession stand. He attracted a LOT of attention. That's the first time I've heard someone use that kind of language as an interjection.

It may seem racist to a passerby because you are using a slur to describe your reaction to a painful experience. It may seem like you're equating black people with something to be avoided.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4jdOROQm4&feature=player_embedded

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/DOUBLE_NIGGER

Now I see where that fool got his expression from. It's some kind of internet joke.

 

[ForumModeregulator]

Racism is the product of a socially constructed concept. Nothing about race is genetic or can be used to categorize our biological taxonomy (we are ALL homo sapiens). Once you realize this. You can understand an idea such as "race" is so trivial.

Its not racism any more that we deal with. Its social class, and how much money you have. Look at America, we have diversity in race, but still see the same inequalities. Mostly because our institutions perpetuate a system where the top controls and takes advantage of the lower classes.

Its sad when the 1% of the population controls over 35 percent of a nation's wealth...

Things in reality are no different than the days of peasants and kings...we just changed the terminology.:nanner:

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

yes i understand racism.
what makes you think i don't?
its something that white people have for blacks.
right?
and you know what? its not a major problem because there really isnt too much of it in the states.
at least the only racism that most people want to acknowledge .
one problem is people judging and deciding who can say what about who and to who.
"are you white? oh you can't say that" = racism in its most basic level.
and thats the biggest form of racism today in the states and because of that people are afraid to speak and think.
as ive said a million times before i just want the usa folks to unite and stop all the stupid accusations of racism. its nonsense and it only hurts everybody.



totally wrong again boy. but nice example of what my point was.
btw youve got cooties too.

mega, again in my example the context was the same.
it was a greeting, nothing more.
and nothing ive ever said should offend blacks because ive never said anything demeaning about them.
i have offended a lot of white people here but their guilt complex is not my problem.

boidefensegrad i think you misunderstood my posts.

the op was about the overuse of the word racist and racism in the usa today.
but the arguments must begin as if you can't say what the op said.
its forbidden.
the words are very overused and arguing that theyre not is like arguing over what color an orange is.

I have to disagree when you say there isn't too much racism these days. I think there is still a LOT of it. It's just not out in the open like it was back in the early 60's in the south. Even though you don't hear about it, and even though all of your white friends deny that they are racist, there are still plenty of prejudiced people.

By the way, racism isn't just for white people. There are MANY black people who are as racist as anyone. Prejudiced people come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

 

[jjo_is4]

yes i understand racism.
what makes you think i don't?

What about this post. Comparing humans with different colored skin (black and white) with animals (cow and pig) in this context demonstates a lack of respect and intelligence.

its something that white people have for blacks.
right?

Racism is a problem in "ALL" races. :2 cents:

and you know what? its not a major problem because there really isnt too much of it in the states.
at least the only racism that most people want to acknowledge .
one problem is people judging and deciding who can say what about who and to who.
"are you white? oh you can't say that" = racism in its most basic level.
and thats the biggest form of racism today in the states and because of that people are afraid to speak and think.
as ive said a million times before i just want the usa folks to unite and stop all the stupid accusations of racism. its nonsense and it only hurts everybody.

:rofl:

Calm down. You'll give yourself a heart attack. So long as when you open your mouth or type on your keyboard you are respectful, fair and honest there shouldn't be a problem.

Sadly I wouldn't describe you as respectful, fair or honest. :2 cents:

When I read posts like this I find it very difficult to believe you want folks to unite. Why would anyone with half a brain even suggest going up to someone they don't know and greeting them in this way? That's called being stupid and asking for trouble. :crash:

 

[meesterperfect]

the first post was a quote from a zappa song called you are what you is.
"a cow don't make ham".
I thought it was apt for the thread.

if you say its lacks respect and intelligence thats fine.
but maybe your putting to much into it.

I'll rephrase it.
A scandinavian don't make a japanese.
or an apple tree don't grow bananas.
hope thats more intelligent and respectful.

so you don't think that I'm respectful, fair or honest?
ok.
I do.

your last comment tells me that either You Misunderstood my question or that you have never been around black folks.
many call each other ****** and motherfucker all the time.
I clearly didn't suggest that someone of any color walk up to any person and say that.
it was a what if question combined with a how would you explain that to a foreigner who has no idea of how that is in the states question
nobody did answer the question directly.

again your either not understanding my posts at all or your doing exactly what this thread is about and looking for reasons to call, suggest or imply racism when its really not there.

people can falsley accuse me of being racist all they want.
its not gonna shut me up.
I'm not gonna play that game, and it is a game.

 

[shimmy2]

many call each other ****** and motherfucker all the time

followed by a click-clack sound unfortunately

 

[Bearded_Menace]

followed by a click-clack sound unfortunately

Click-clack? Under Armor?

 

[meesterperfect]

I have to disagree when you say there isn't too much racism these days. I think there is still a LOT of it. It's just not out in the open like it was back in the early 60's in the south. Even though you don't hear about it, and even though all of your white friends deny that they are racist, there are still plenty of prejudiced people.

By the way, racism isn't just for white people. There are MANY black people who are as racist as anyone. Prejudiced people come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

fair post crazy.
but you did misunderstand my sarcasm in the part you highlighted i believe.

but really i don't think theres much racism in the states these days.
the belief that there is i feel is manufactured by the education system, the news and entertainment media, and some politicians.
yeah theres some blacks that hate white people just because theyre white and vice versa.

and some don't care for other groups because of bad personal experiences so they don't associate with them.
but thats not really racism, thats personal choice.

as ive said, the dominant form of racism as i see it is telling people what they cant say about who based on the race of the speaker and the race of the ones being spoken about.
to me thats racism, pure and simple.

 

[shimmy2]

i wouldn't sell hardly any interracial porn if there wasn't prevalent racism in this society. just to give you guys a corny example, my number one selling movie in the clip stores last month was "my daughters a ****** lover". it outsold most everything 5 to 1. and honestly it wasn't even a good movie, probably one of the worst I ever made. but it sold on the title and boxcover art alone... it was just 2 18yr olds white girls giving me a shitty handjob with their inexperienced hands. the movie sucked, but people bought it for reasons other than the sex i am assuming, for the language, and prominent taboo use of ****** in my films. its just something you dont see everywhere

in my opinion porn is the truth so far as getting suppressed emotions and thoughts out. it is more than fantasy and entertainment... its really a hardline no bullshit look in the mirror at what the world has become, at least the IR niche of it. off my soapbox for now... at the end of the day i try to make movies that are entertaining, funny, and full of sexy shit but what i enjoy most is the freedom of speech that porn allows. you can get away with so much more than in traditional cinema so long as everythings legal

 

[jjo_is4]

the first post was a quote from a zappa song called you are what you is.
"a cow don't make ham".
I thought it was apt for the thread.

Yes, I know that saying very well. It's used a lot by the leader of the BNP a well known racist organisation in Britain. Great choice. :thumbsup:

I would never use it to refer to humans. It doesn't show respect but that's the whole point of using it. :crash:

so you don't think that I'm respectful, fair or honest?
ok.
I do.

your last comment tells me that either You Misunderstood my question or that you have never been around black folks.
many call each other ****** and motherfucker all the time.
I clearly didn't suggest that someone of any color walk up to any person and say that.
it was a what if question combined with a how would you explain that to a foreigner who has no idea of how that is in the states question
nobody did answer the question directly.

again your either not understanding my posts at all or your doing exactly what this thread is about and looking for reasons to call, suggest or imply racism when its really not there.

people can falsley accuse me of being racist all they want.
its not gonna shut me up.
I'm not gonna play that game, and it is a game.

:rofl:

Your question is dumb. If I poured a bucket of acid over your head what would you do? Say thanks and give me $100. It's a dumb question to ask. Period. I expect better from a school teacher.

You're right, I've never met a black person in my life. :dunno:

Well I've got a surprise for you MP. I'm Black, most of my friends are also black and I live in London England. Like many people in England I'm quite familiar with how "some" black folks talk to each other in America. In fact some black people in England also use the N word. I bet you didn't know that.

Your posts are very clear and easy to understand, MP. You can say and think what you like. I'm done with these racial threads. That is all. :wave2:

 

[glock27]

meesterperfect, I don't understand how you can liken the difference between a Scandanavian & a Japanese person (have you seen Bjork?) to apples and bananas, and still claim to not be a racist.

That quote quite blatantly proves that you subscribe to a belief in race, in their being two distinct species of human being. It is, quite literally, racist. That you cannot (or refuse to) see that, is incredible.

I can't believe you had the balls to tell us that you are an educator.

 

[meesterperfect]

I really don't understand what you're problem is.
I've said nothing that should be taken as offensive.
the message in the zappa song was simply be yourself.


and the question was legitimate.
how would you explain to a foreigner who saw 2 blacks calling each other "that word" why he himself should not use it?
I don't even care at this point.
but i do know why it wasn't answered.

thank you. i feel my posts are clear and precise too.
but they have no hidden implications as you think they do.
shouldn't look for racism where it ain't there.

 

[meesterperfect]

meesterperfect, I don't understand how you can liken the difference between a Scandanavian & a Japanese person (have you seen Bjork?) to apples and bananas, and still claim to not be a racist.

That quote quite blatantly proves that you subscribe to a belief in race, in their being two distinct species of human being. It is, quite literally, racist. That you cannot (or refuse to) see that, is incredible.

I can't believe you had the balls to tell us that you are an educator.

youre fucked up dude.

the thread was about 2 very black people who had a very white baby and the claim is that the baby wasn't albino.

I simply said i don't buy it, i think its a media stunt or something.

A cow don't make ham
2 scandinavians don't make a japanese
an apple tree don't grow bananas
ect ect ect ect ect............
2 african people don't have a caucasian baby or vice versa
don't believe me, ask a scientist, ask an expert in geneology

so where the hell is the racism in that?
wheres the offensiveness
man you people need to get a grip or grow up or something.

And yes I believe in race.
so do millions of scientists and billions of people.
races of humans do exist do they not?
so acknowledging that is proof of racism?
Are you high?
can i buy some pot from you?

keep searchin, maybe you will find something that i actually said that was racist.
good luck.
as long as i keep being accused, i'll keep clearly and precisely pointing out the ignorance and stupidness of the accusations.
its kind of fun in a disgusting sort of way because the only reason i'n catching shit is because you know i'm a white dude.

 

[glock27]

I really don't understand what you're problem is.
I've said nothing that should be taken as offensive.
the message in the zappa song was simply be yourself.


and the question was legitimate.
how would you explain to a foreigner who saw 2 blacks calling each other "that word" why he himself should not use it?
I don't even care at this point.
but i do know why it wasn't answered.

thank you. i feel my posts are clear and precise too.
but they have no hidden implications as you think they do.
shouldn't look for racism where it ain't there.

You are ridiculous, man. I didn't read into anything. I am not misunderstanding you. I'm speaking directly to what you said. Oh, I'm sorry, you're saying I did not pick up on the "context" of what you said?



"The message in the Zappa song was be yourself." So then why are you using it to talk about racial differences? And when you get called on it, then you want to pretend like you don't know what people talking about?

Whatever, dude. You have lost all credibility.

 

[meesterperfect]

THE SONG IS ABOUT RACIAL DIFFERENCES AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF THEM.
WTF!
In other words Be Yourself.



your just looking for shit man.