Pro-life is Palin's agenda!

[Marlo Manson]

I know there are plenty of palin threads in FO's LAND already but I can't stand palin or her policies, or for that matter anything about her! this is NOT a PRO palin thread!

Palin and her pro-life beliefs! except in the case of rape?

No matter how noble or sincere PRO-LIFERS are in regards to there feelings are to nurture and protect a fetus's life that's respectable and kind hearted! and that's there opinion!

But PRO-LIFE is VERY selfish when it comes to how its affecting the women who doesn't want to be pregnant let alone have a baby against her will!

A women should not be forced to carry and commit 9 months of her life to have baby! period! regardless if the guy wants the baby, or PRO-LIFERS say she has to have the baby and give it up for adoption if she doesn't want a child!

Who's life is altered, affected, changed, for 9 months? the women's!

What if the girls in school? what if she has a job she can't and doesn't want to take time off to have a baby? because she doesn't want a baby! it should be the WOMEN'S CHOICE under any and all circumstance's!

If pro-lifers were in the same situation or actually thought about the women's life and not the fetus which commands 9 months of the women's life and sacrifice to be born! PRO-LIFERS, are PRO SELFISH!! people who want to play god with women's lives!! they have no respect for women's feelings, her body, or her life!!

Yes everybody has the right to their opinions and are allowed to voice them! but are PRO-LIFERS living that women's life? are they (the PRO-LIFERS) being forced to do something against their will! :nono: so yeah :yinyang: but its the women's life!

HER LIFE IS HER CHOICE, WOMEN SHOULD HAVE AND MAINTAIN HER RIGHTS, AND HER CHOICE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO HAVE A BABY OR NOT!!

AND THAT SHOULD BE A NATURAL AND UNQUESTIONED DECISION FOR WOMEN TOO HAVE AND MAKE FOR THEMSELVES!

WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE FROM THE LAW OR ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ATTEMPTING TO RAPE HER (THE WOMEN) OF HER RIGHTS TO DO AS SHE WISHES, AND NOT BE FORCED TO DO ANYTHING SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DO OR DEAL WITH! :hatsoff:

 

[ChefChiTown]

A women should not be forced to carry and commit 9 months of her life to have baby! period! regardless if the guy wants the baby, or PRO-LIFERS say she has to have the baby and give it up for adoption if she doesn't want a child!

Who's life is altered, affected, changed, for 9 months? the women's!

Gee, I don't know...the father's life and the baby's life?

What if the girls in school? what if she has a job she can't and doesn't want to take time off to have a baby? because she doesn't want a baby! it should be the WOMEN'S CHOICE under any and all circumstance's!

What if the man is in school? According to your example, it's implying that the woman would have to drop out of school or take time off of work in order to "have the baby". But, what about the man? What if he was in school? He would have to drop out of school and work twice as hard in order to take care of the baby.

With exception of rape, men should have a say-so in the decision of abortion. I've said this in other threads, but it takes two people to make a baby. The fact that the woman has to "carry the baby" isn't something that should trump every emotion that the guy feels about the subject.

That's just my :2 cents: though.

 

[tubuler]

I gotta say Marlo, I can kinda see where you are coming from but rants like that aren't gonna help the democratic cause. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you here. I know this is your posting style and you do make some points. Just ease up a bit. Unless your trying to provoke people. If that's the case then you're succeeding.

I think we need a little less Palin/abortion talk on this forum. Just sayin'.:hatsoff:

 

[maildude]

No surprise. Palin was chosen for one good reason as far as the Republicans are concerned: move McCain more toward the right.

 

[calpoon]

I think we all knew that already.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Gee, I don't know...the father's life and the baby's life?



What if the man is in school? According to your example, it's implying that the woman would have to drop out of school or take time off of work in order to "have the baby". But, what about the man? What if he was in school? He would have to drop out of school and work twice as hard in order to take care of the baby.

With exception of rape, men should have a say-so in the decision of abortion. I've said this in other threads, but it takes two people to make a baby. The fact that the woman has to "carry the baby" isn't something that should trump every emotion that the guy feels about the subject.

That's just my 2 cents: though.

To be perfectly honest with your opinion! fuck the guy! the guy is irrevilent when it comes to 9 months of what the women has to go through! plain and simple tough shit for the guy! his sacrafice's or life changes pale in comparison to the womens!

plus the guys life isn't altered unless the women decides to have the baby! and the guy doesn't have too drop out of school or work another job, when and after he knows the child is gonna be aborted! so in actuality they both share the mental trauma but its her choice! she has to sacrafice her body for 9 frickin months! NOT THE GUY!

I gotta say Marlo, I can kinda see where you are coming from but rants like that aren't gonna help the democratic cause. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you here. I know this is your posting style and you do make some points. Just ease up a bit. Unless your trying to provoke people. If that's the case then you're succeeding.

I think we need a little less Palin/abortion talk on this forum. Just sayin'.hatsoff:

Dualy noted I know your not attacking me and I thank you for that, but Why do you and others consider my posts rants? :rofl2:

I am simply offering reasons behind what I believe in and what I write? most of what I write is fact or truth? if not fact or truth, I definitely think I write for and represent the majority that feel and share the same beliefs and opinions as myself!

I always give my opinions and explain the thoughts behind them
so nobody misunderstands what I am saying!

I do PROVOKE the PRO-LIFERS and WAKE UP the DEMORCRATS! I can not understand what people are thinking, seeing, or what values they have when they let these RICH WHITE REPUBLICANS rule our lives and its a huge issue and a travesty that a women can't make her own choice to give birth or not!

NOBODY should have the right to rape that right from a women WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE PREGNANT OR HAVE A BABY! PERIOD!

REPUBLICANS and everything they stand for goes against all us POOR PEOPLE (us demorcrats) and thats a huge issue!

I think we all knew that already.

Thats true and I understand that, but I am sick and tired of THE REPUBLICAN DICTATORS controling ever fuckin thing we do in our lives and they are not happy until they accomplish that!

And until poor people in america WAKE UP and realize that REPUBLICANS and everything they lobby for is just burying us deeper and deeper into the they pour on us constantly and its got to end! and people have to do it through voting! :hatsoff:

 

[Facetious]

Re: Pro-life is Palin's agenda!

I thought that her agenda was to expand our domestic energy independence. :dunno:
There's WAY bigger fish to fry than pro life stuff !, besides, she's not running for the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

And Marlo - I agree with you up until the "fuck the guy" thing.

 

[calpoon]

I agree with you up until the "do it through voting" thing.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I'm with ya Marlo.Palin is more extreme on the issue than most pro-lifers.And while she may not be on the supreme court lets not forget who gets to select replacement judges,the President.8 years of Bush have the court more on the right and McCain and even possibly Palin:eek: if something were to happen to McCain would mean more of a right wing anti-choice court.
And again on this issue of mens rights when a woman is considering an abortion.That would really depend on the relationship the man and the woman had.It would be great if she and him considered it together but the bottom line is ultimately it is her decision and her decision alone and that is the way it should be.I'm not sure exactly what the people who say men should be considered are saying.Are they saying that they should have some legal right to prevent her from having the choice or that she should just be willing to listen to him and his wishes? A woman voluntarily taking into consideration the man's wishes is fine but men having legal rights to prevent her from having the right to choose is not.When men get pregnant it will be there right to decide if they want to bear children as well or lets get a serious comparison.If a man wants to have a vasectomy should his mate/spouse have a legal right to prevent that?

 

[meesterperfect]

Gee, I don't know...the father's life and the baby's life?

What if the man is in school? According to your example, it's implying that the woman would have to drop out of school or take time off of work in order to "have the baby". But, what about the man? What if he was in school? He would have to drop out of school and work twice as hard in order to take care of the baby.

With exception of rape, men should have a say-so in the decision of abortion. I've said this in other threads, but it takes two people to make a baby. The fact that the woman has to "carry the baby" isn't something that should trump every emotion that the guy feels about the subject.

That's just my :2 cents: though.

I told you the father has no rights in the decision......only the obligation to support the mother and child for 18+ years.

To be perfectly honest with your opinion! fuck the guy! the guy is irrevilent when it comes to 9 months of what the women has to go through! plain and simple tough shit for the guy! his sacrafice's or life changes pale in comparison to the womens!

plus the guys life isn't altered unless the women decides to have the baby! and the guy doesn't have too drop out of school or work another job, when and after he knows the child is gonna be aborted! so in actuality they both share the mental trauma but its her choice! she has to sacrafice her body for 9 frickin months! NOT THE GUY!

Fuck the guy? Is the child not equally the fathers also?
Obviously to you he isnt.......
Just a sperm donor right?
An insignificant piece of trash who has no right whatsoever to want to raise his son or daughter.
Fuck the father? What I want to say to you would get me banned.
And I can't see how any other male who is reading this would not feel the same.
I think, if the mother really doesn't want the child and the father does, then all she needs to do is "go through the 9 months of hell" and then sign over her parental rights to the dad. This way she will have no legal obligation to the child and she can continue fucking whoever she wants.
This way the child lives with a loving parent instead of being killed and thrown is a medical waste recepticle.
But for dried up, bagged out, slunk meat who hop from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap ham radio I suppose the latter is more convenient.
Why go through that 9 months of hell right?

And don't worry about Palin, just because she doesn't believe in abortion.
Is abortion illegal in Alaska? Has she attempted to make it illegal? No.
Na ga happen.

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[Facetious]

^ ^ I wish that the dems and the pubs would "make a deal".

Pubs leave Roe & Wady as is -

Dems - Hands off all facets of the Second Amendment.


Unfortunately, that wouldn't fill up the courts and / or cause controversy.
What are ya going to do ? :dunno:
process . . process . . . process

 

[lolapitt]

She should be listening to Death Metal and paint the White House black.

that turns the Neo-Conservative into a Necro-Conservative.

not funny i know, but she's not funny either.

the revolution is coming.

 

[drew84]

Republicans mostly have christian traditionalists and religious fundamentalists as members and supporters so she is bound to be pro-life and anti-choice. I bet she will fuck up the US sex education even more considering they are mostly against contraceptives as well. Considering that all pro-life groups want contraceptives banned as well (everyone has a hidden agenda) and include contraceptives as abortion too, gee these morons don't know the differences between contraception and abortion.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I told you the father has no rights in the decision......only the obligation to support the mother and child for 18+ years.



Fuck the guy? Is the child not equally the fathers also?
Obviously to you he isnt.......
Just a sperm donor right?
An insignificant piece of trash who has no right whatsoever to want to raise his son or daughter.
Fuck the father? What I want to say to you would get me banned.
And I can't see how any other male who is reading this would not feel the same.
I think, if the mother really doesn't want the child and the father does, then all she needs to do is "go through the 9 months of hell" and then sign over her parental rights to the dad. This way she will have no legal obligation to the child and she can continue fucking whoever she wants.
This way the child lives with a loving parent instead of being killed and thrown is a medical waste recepticle.
But for dried up, bagged out, slunk meat who hop from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap ham radio I suppose the latter is more convenient.
Why go through that 9 months of hell right?

And don't worry about Palin, just because she doesn't believe in abortion.
Is abortion illegal in Alaska? Has she attempted to make it illegal? No.
Na ga happen.

The role men and women play in child birth is just slightly different.And when you describe the potential mother as "dried up, bagged out, slunk meat who hop from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap ham radio" isn't that just a tad sexist? What about the guy who had sex with her,is he as much a slut as I guess you think women are? If he was really looking to have a serious relationship with someone and have a child maybe he needs to be more carefull in selecting his bed mates.No way women should be forced to be a slave to a man and bear their children unwillingly and it sounds like that is what your advocating for.That would be a return to a time when women were seen as the property of men and sorry no I don't think most men here reading this would support that.
Also states can't pass laws abolishing abortion, it at least right now is still a constitutional right.But if Sarah Palin could she would,same goes for McCain although he would still allow some exceptions which Palin would not.But some states can and do try to pass restrictions that make it very difficult.Before they can ban abortion entirely they need a couple more republican selected right wingers on the supreme court to get Roe Vs Wade overturned.Then individual states would be able to ban it and for sure some would.That would be a return to where a women's rights would depend on what state she was in as it was before 1973.

^ ^ I wish that the dems and the pubs would "make a deal".

Pubs leave Roe & Wady as is -

Dems - Hands off all facets of the Second Amendment.


Unfortunately, that wouldn't fill up the courts and / or cause controversy.
What are ya going to do ? :dunno:
process . . process . . . process

While I might find that deal somewhat attractive we know it's never gonna happen.No restrictions on eithier is not in the cards.And if we are going to allow no restrictions on the 2nd amendement meaning you can own fully automatic machine guns,no background checks,no age requirments etc.,then just leaving roe vs wade as it is is not a fair swap.We would need agreement that the govt would not have any restrictions on abortions rights which are in place now as well for that to be a fair deal.But as I said neitheir is going to happen but its a fun idea to play with I guess.It would make things interesting though ,12 year olds walking around with thompsons taking their 12 year old gf to the abortion clinic lol.:eek::1orglaugh

 

[Marlo Manson]

I told you the father has no rights in the decision......only the obligation to support the mother and child for 18+ years.

To be perfectly honest with your opinion! fuck the guy! the guy is irrevilent when it comes to 9 months of what the women has to go through! plain and simple tough shit for the guy! his sacrafice's or life changes pale in comparison to the womens!

plus the guys life isn't altered unless the women decides to have the baby! and the guy doesn't have too drop out of school or work another job, when and after he knows the child is gonna be aborted! so in actuality they both share the mental trauma but its her choice! she has to sacrafice her body for 9 frickin months! NOT THE GUY!

Fuck the guy? Is the child not equally the fathers also?
Obviously to you he isnt.......
Just a sperm donor right?
An insignificant piece of trash who has no right whatsoever to want to raise his son or daughter.
Fuck the father? What I want to say to you would get me banned.
And I can't see how any other male who is reading this would not feel the same.
I think, if the mother really doesn't want the child and the father does, then all she needs to do is "go through the 9 months of hell" and then sign over her parental rights to the dad. This way she will have no legal obligation to the child and she can continue fucking whoever she wants.
This way the child lives with a loving parent instead of being killed and thrown is a medical waste recepticle.
But for dried up, bagged out, slunk meat who hop from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap ham radio I suppose the latter is more convenient.
Why go through that 9 months of hell right?

And don't worry about Palin, just because she doesn't believe in abortion.
Is abortion illegal in Alaska? Has she attempted to make it illegal? No.
Na ga happen.

QUOTE]

I am terribly sorry I offended you so! is the guy the one fucked for 9 months? does he have to quit smoking, drinking, doing drugs if she does or wants too, does he get morning sickness for 9 months, does he gain (guesstimate 40 - 50pounds) NO he doesn't!!

so thats why I say tough shit for the guy! I was a little on edge when I wrote (FUCK THE GUY) that came out a little stronger than I originally intended! but thats neither here nor there!

Honestly I don't care what you'd like to say to me that will get you banned! there is no sacrafice a guy makes that compares to that of the gal! and despite how much the guy is willing to sacrafice to have a child with a women that doesn't want to be pregnant!

the males bad days pale in comparison to that of the women for 9 months!!

By all means PM me and cuss me out!! I am not worried about what your gonna say! I won't report you to the FO's police! I promise!!

I would be emotionally fucked, upset, and madder then hell as well if I wanted to have my child, but the gal decided to terminate the pregnancy, I would have to respect her decision no matter how hurtful it would be!! thats just NOT FAIR TO EXPECT OR FORCE HER TO HAVE A BABY!!

What if she was an athlete and had to remain atheletic @ all times, or she had a job that required the same commitment?

sorry meesterperfect but the sacrafice the gal makes TRUMPS whatever the guys sacrafice maybe!! thats the reality of it! No matter how much the father of the child wants the child its the women that has to totally alter and commit herself for 9 months of hell!!

and until the (MAN) has the ability to reproduce and carry and commit the same as women does its just a landslide of epic proportions the womens responsibility to that of the guys!!

Too all fathers out there don't misunderstand me! I do feel for fathers that want to keep there kids but to force a women against her wishes to have a baby is totally SELFISH of anybody who doesn't go through, feel, and sacrafice there body to have a baby! :hatsoff:

 

[ChefChiTown]

To be perfectly honest with your opinion! fuck the guy! the guy is irrevilent when it comes to 9 months of what the women has to go through! plain and simple tough shit for the guy! his sacrafice's or life changes pale in comparison to the womens!

The guy is the father of the child that the woman is holding inside of her. That uh...that seems pretty damned relevant to me.

I don't agree with the "it's her choice because it's her body" mentality. Think about how elementary it is, in all seriousness (I'm not trying to insult anyone here, I'm just making a point)...

While the baby is still inside of the woman (the first 9 months), with the mentality of "it's her body", the woman can make whatever decision she wants and the guy has absolutely no rights or no say-so in what happens.

The woman can choose to have the baby, abort the child, give it up for adoption, etc. Meanwhile, since the baby is still inside of the woman, the man has to just sit back and deal with it. His thoughts, beliefs, emotions and morals are completely trumped and rendered non-existant...but only temporarily.

Now, the very second that baby is born, just because the baby isn't inside of the woman anymore, all of a sudden the man now has rights and a say-so in what happens? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

With the exception of rape, having a child is a decision made by two people. If it happens "by mistake", then it is a mistake made by two people. Just because the woman has to carry the baby inside of her doesn't change the fact that two people helped create it. Any decision regarding that child should be made by...you guessed it...two people, not one.

:2 cents:

 

[girk1]

The guy is the father of the child that the woman is holding inside of her. That uh...that seems pretty damned relevant to me.

I don't agree with the "it's her choice because it's her body" mentality. Think about how elementary it is, in all seriousness (I'm not trying to insult anyone here, I'm just making a point)...

While the baby is still inside of the woman (the first 9 months), with the mentality of "it's her body", the woman can make whatever decision she wants and the guy has absolutely no rights or no say-so in what happens.

The woman can choose to have the baby, abort the child, give it up for adoption, etc. Meanwhile, since the baby is still inside of the woman, the man has to just sit back and deal with it. His thoughts, beliefs, emotions and morals are completely trumped and rendered non-existant...but only temporarily.

Now, the very second that baby is born, just because the baby isn't inside of the woman anymore, all of a sudden the man now has rights and a say-so in what happens? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

With the exception of rape, having a child is a decision made by two people. If it happens "by mistake", then it is a mistake made by two people. Just because the woman has to carry the baby inside of her doesn't change the fact that two people helped create it. Any decision regarding that child should be made by...you guessed it...two people, not one.

:2 cents:

Pretty sexist to think that a man that the pregnant woman perhaps hates or is no longer even involved with should have a Choice over HER body. Their is NO baby. Only a pregnant woman who should decide if she wants to carry this pregnacy out.Men & Self Righteous Bible Thumpers should not be able to tell a woman that she has to do this.

Your buddy palin believes it is "murder" even in the case of rape or incest:eek:

Should the mother have to notify the rapist/pedophile before she goes through with it?

Having sex & making a child are two seperate issues. Only CHOICE a man should have is whether or not to leave a woman if she decides she doesn't want to carry out HER pregnancy. See I'm pro choice for both sexes.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Pretty sexist to think that a man that the pregnant woman perhaps hates or is no longer even involved with should have a Choice over HER body. Their is NO baby. Only a pregnant woman who should decide if she wants to carry this pregnacy out.Men & Self Righteous Bible Thumpers should not be able to tell a woman that she has to do this.

Your buddy palin believes it is "murder" even in the case of rape or incest:eek:

Should the mother have to notify the rapist/pedophile before she goes through with it?

Having sex & making a child are two seperate issues. Only CHOICE a man should have is whether or not to leave a woman if she decides she doesn't want to carry out HER pregnancy. See I'm pro choice for both sexes.

1) Palin is a moron and I don't agree with what she says
2) Rape is completely different story, as I stated

Let me ask you this, in regards to the "it's her body" mentality..

When the baby is still inside of the woman, it is HER baby with that mentality. It's not his baby, as he apparently doesn't matter, it's HER baby.

But, when the child is born...why does it all of a sudden become THEIR baby? :dunno:

To me, IMHO, that's a big slap in the face. Personally, I would never encourage the woman I impregnated to get an abortion. I would be a man and take care of the child that we created together. But, that doesn't mean that I don't believe that men shouldn't have a say-so in the matter.

What if she wanted to abort the child, but I wanted to keep it? Who in the hell is she to kill the child that I helped create? Legally, she can murder my child and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it and that, IMHO, is complete fucking bullshit.

Once again, rape is a completely different story.

 

[girk1]

1) Palin is a moron and I don't agree with what she says
2) Rape is completely different story, as I stated

Let me ask you this, in regards to the "it's her body" mentality..

When the baby is still inside of the woman, it is HER baby with that mentality. It's not his baby, as he apparently doesn't matter, it's HER baby.

But, when the child is born...why does it all of a sudden become THEIR baby? :dunno:

To me, IMHO, that's a big slap in the face. Personally, I would never encourage the woman I impregnated to get an abortion. I would be a man and take care of the child that we created together. But, that doesn't mean that I don't believe that men shouldn't have a say-so in the matter.

What if she wanted to abort the child, but I wanted to keep it? Who in the hell is she to kill the child that I helped create? Legally, she can murder my child and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it and that, IMHO, is complete fucking bullshit.

"FUCKING BULLSHIT" you say?
No need to get upset.I know it hurts you & other controlling men because they see their power/influence/control over women slowly slipping away

Again you say "It's her body mentality'? Well it is HER body & I would also be on the side of of any freedom loving man who wishes to do as he pleases with his own body.

A man can CHoose to leave or find a woman of similar antiquated religous values.

 

[blakey]

1)
What if she wanted to abort the child, but I wanted to keep it? Who in the hell is she to kill the child that I helped create? Legally, she can murder my child and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it and that, IMHO, is complete fucking bullshit.

i'm not hatin here but that seems some pretty pro-life language

- talkin about killing/murdering your child - would that always be your opinion, even when the abortion was performed very early on a bundle of cells that couldn't survive outside the mother?

the way i see it
it is the woman who carries the child, and while the man may be able to discuss with and advise the woman the final choice has got to be hers

- would anyone seriously suggest that a woman 8 weeks pregnant should be forced to carry a child for the remainder of term,
then go through labour & childbirth
on the say so of a guy she might have only f*cked once, for like five minutes?

i wouldn't

(but i guess those of a pro-life point of view would )