Wow Sarah. Even my desire to fuck you can't allow me to like you.
Palin makes Obama terrorist claim
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The US with it's 800 military bases around the world and history of manipulating governments overtly or covertly isn't the knight on the white horse some still want to believe it is. Any humanitarian actions, (albeit late), in the time of WW2, stopped somewhere before Vietnam, and it became the nation based on fortunes established through oil and the military industrial complex.
Take a look at the Shah of Iran, Noriega, Saddam Hussein, and even Bin Laden as direct benefactors of American policy before they stopped playing ball at some point and had to go. The history of Latin America is one of exploitation, manipulation of elections, greed and US sanctioned assassinations, all the while running a terrorist training school in Virginia!
Even since Gulf War the sequel, it's known the US with full knowledge of the Bush administration has grabbed people to fly to other countries where they could be tortured without conscience or an international audience. Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld all supported efforts to change the laws, so that they couldn't be found guilty of criminal actions in their involvement in Guantanamo Bay.
Yes, I think McCain / Palin promises more of the same, if even Palin has a clue to what that all means.
http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.html
When outsiders in places like the middle east say the US is a terrorist state, can you really argue with them or just deny the obvious situation these guys have created for themselves? The US has little or no credibility among Americans anymore, how much less on the world stage?
Take a look at the Shah of Iran, Noriega, Saddam Hussein, and even Bin Laden as direct benefactors of American policy before they stopped playing ball at some point and had to go. The history of Latin America is one of exploitation, manipulation of elections, greed and US sanctioned assassinations, all the while running a terrorist training school in Virginia!
Even since Gulf War the sequel, it's known the US with full knowledge of the Bush administration has grabbed people to fly to other countries where they could be tortured without conscience or an international audience. Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld all supported efforts to change the laws, so that they couldn't be found guilty of criminal actions in their involvement in Guantanamo Bay.
Yes, I think McCain / Palin promises more of the same, if even Palin has a clue to what that all means.
http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.html
When outsiders in places like the middle east say the US is a terrorist state, can you really argue with them or just deny the obvious situation these guys have created for themselves? The US has little or no credibility among Americans anymore, how much less on the world stage?
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Reality ...
The just US isn't the "lesser of two evils" any more, that's the difference.
In all honesty, I'm starting to get the feeling that the EU leaders realize what's at stake.
The US is more than capable of just "sticking to the Americas" again.
Most of their citizens may not realize, but all NATO leaders and the leaders of their member nations do.
I mean, the EU would die if they didn't get mid-east oil, and most don't have any coal reserves.
The US, on the other hand, has all it needs in the Americas for the next 50 years, plus coal reserves.
I'm really tired of people not realizing that since the Suez incident, the French and UK haven't needed to maintain the militaries they used to.
I'm really starting to question if the US shouldn't just pull back to the Americas.
The Suez Incident was 52 years ago, and it might be time to not give a shit about the EU and NATO at this point.
I mean, if the French and UK had to go back to securing their own resources, and I think people forget about this reality since before the '60s, the "views" might be different.
Selfish? Yes. But I'm tired of people thinking the world would be better if the US didn't butt in.
Especially when it comes to the strategic interests of the EU outside of the western world.
Yeah, the US fucks up a lot, but it gets really old to point the finger at the US as the "sole problem."
It's like people totally ignore western European history pre-Suez, or various French colonization and genocide.
Damn if we do, but the EU is way more damned if we don't.
People ignore it, but it's a stark contrast to the reality that the US is just thinking of itself.
We have almost everything we need on this side of the world.
Is this any different than before the Cold War?
The just US isn't the "lesser of two evils" any more, that's the difference.
In all honesty, I'm starting to get the feeling that the EU leaders realize what's at stake.
The US is more than capable of just "sticking to the Americas" again.
Most of their citizens may not realize, but all NATO leaders and the leaders of their member nations do.
I mean, the EU would die if they didn't get mid-east oil, and most don't have any coal reserves.
The US, on the other hand, has all it needs in the Americas for the next 50 years, plus coal reserves.
I'm really tired of people not realizing that since the Suez incident, the French and UK haven't needed to maintain the militaries they used to.
I'm really starting to question if the US shouldn't just pull back to the Americas.
The Suez Incident was 52 years ago, and it might be time to not give a shit about the EU and NATO at this point.
I mean, if the French and UK had to go back to securing their own resources, and I think people forget about this reality since before the '60s, the "views" might be different.
Selfish? Yes. But I'm tired of people thinking the world would be better if the US didn't butt in.
Especially when it comes to the strategic interests of the EU outside of the western world.
Yeah, the US fucks up a lot, but it gets really old to point the finger at the US as the "sole problem."
It's like people totally ignore western European history pre-Suez, or various French colonization and genocide.
Damn if we do, but the EU is way more damned if we don't.
People ignore it, but it's a stark contrast to the reality that the US is just thinking of itself.
We have almost everything we need on this side of the world.
Obama allies warn GOP to back off attacks
Obama allies warn GOP to back off attacks.
I was talking about McCain and Neil Bush's involvment in the savings and loan scandal a month ago.
Palin opened up that can of worms of possible corruption of McCain in her last public appearance.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93KHEV80
Obama allies warn GOP to back off attacks.
I was talking about McCain and Neil Bush's involvment in the savings and loan scandal a month ago.
Palin opened up that can of worms of possible corruption of McCain in her last public appearance.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93KHEV80
Bad slip of the tongue I'm afraid :dunno:
Is it any worse?
Seriously, the insistence of one side to paint the other as "worse" really causes me not to vote either.
I want to know why I should vote one, not why I should not vote the other.
Palin has been railed, nailed, then painted a delicate flower, etc..., all awhile people excuse why they are doing such.
I'm open to some of the rhetoric, but the sexist attitudes that are undeserving really aren't excusable either.
I don't care who is any alleged inexperienced, political tool.
In fact, the grandstanding gets to me on all-sides, especially when I hear things about both Obama and Palin in how they actually "handle" things like "leadership."
It is any worse than what we hear going the other way?
Seriously, the insistence of one side to paint the other as "worse" really causes me not to vote either.
I want to know why I should vote one, not why I should not vote the other.
Palin has been railed, nailed, then painted a delicate flower, etc..., all awhile people excuse why they are doing such.
I'm open to some of the rhetoric, but the sexist attitudes that are undeserving really aren't excusable either.
I don't care who is any alleged inexperienced, political tool.
In fact, the grandstanding gets to me on all-sides, especially when I hear things about both Obama and Palin in how they actually "handle" things like "leadership."
From what I've heard and read it seems that even Republicans aren't voting for him because they fear having Palin as the President in case anything happens to McCain. Palin is just wow,
I've heard some people are scared that Sarah Palin may only be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. If you really wanna be frightened though, consider that Nancy Pelosi is only two heartbeats away from it. :eek:
Re: Obama allies warn GOP to back off attacks
I talked about this a few weeks ago. McCain is on thin ice, knowing full well if he brings up that friend of Obama, his connection to $1M in campaign contributions as one of the Keating 5 in the Savings and Loan scandel was bound to come up. Yes he and Neil Bush both got off more or less, but that was due to Bush #1 getting his son off the hook. McCain still took the money.
I talked about this a few weeks ago. McCain is on thin ice, knowing full well if he brings up that friend of Obama, his connection to $1M in campaign contributions as one of the Keating 5 in the Savings and Loan scandel was bound to come up. Yes he and Neil Bush both got off more or less, but that was due to Bush #1 getting his son off the hook. McCain still took the money.
Obama Admitted His Work With Terrorist Bill Ayers Qualified Him For US Senator (Video)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I
BILL AYERS GAVE BARACK OBAMA HIS START
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I
BILL AYERS GAVE BARACK OBAMA HIS START
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Why - oh why- do we forget the Mexican American War? The butchery perpetrated on the Filipinos? Or what we did to the indigenous folks here on this continent and the messed up "treaties" with the Indians?
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of American blood being spilt around the world.
Period.
I don't give a flying fuck about the EU or NATO or China or anyonefuckingelse.
cheers,
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Are you aware of McCain's involvement in the mid 80's during the widely publicized Savings and Loan scandal? (It's right up there with a link at the top of this page, did you miss that?)
He accepted $1M in contributions to look the other way during the corrupt management of the Lincoln Savings bank and was refered to as one of the Keating Five, implicated along in the arrest and conviction of Charles Keating. He and Neil Bush were let off by his father George Bush, and a slap on the wrist $50,000 fine which the Republican party picked up as well as paying his legal fees.
It's a little bit of Deja Vu that McCain's campaign director was also taking regular donations from Freddie Mac, well after the time it was known they were in financial trouble and now they have been bailed out. McCain also holds some board position there, I can't remember what, (not that it would mean he needed a presence), so at the least there is again, a clear conflict of interest just like there was 20 years ago. He should watch who he shovels his shit on.
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2529484&postcount=105
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As well as Palin in her debate with Biden kept telling him "there you again Joe,bringing up the past".By all means lets bring up the past.As you mention McCain and the S & L scandle as well as the more recent past of the last 8 years of republican rule.This whole Ayers thing is a real stretch, whatever you think about what he did in the 60s when Obama was like 8 years old Ayers is now a person well known in the chicago area who is involved in may civic activities.Is everyone who knows him now a friend of a terrorist? Oh and btw the weathermen were right in the 60s anyway,the war was an abomination against humanity that the US should have never gotten involved in much like the current war in Iraq.
Well, even criminals have to do community service. Obama is guilty by assuming the nasty comments are true, but it's not exactly hard to find history implicating McCain in the S&L deal, or accepting Freddie Mac contributions today. The tiger has not changed it's spots. But don't take my word for it;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/...cain-c_n_128770.html?show_comment_id=16066824
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