"Undervalued"? Not "enamored".....Why the fuck pray-tell did they sign the guy to an
$18m, 5 year contract with another $9m in incentives then?? Shouldn't I just stop here?
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Yeah, you do.:dunno:
Footballoutsiders.com??? (I guess the domain footballforgeeks.com was taken already.) WHO THE FUCK relies on some statfuckinggeek.com site to break down a game like football into some mis-mash of minutia??? Can a site like that ever tell you how a player
could not even end up with a single stat but still have a profound affect on the stats of their team mates? I should have known. You follow a group of stat geeks who when everyone inside football said the Pats didn't make the playoffs because they lacked a consistent running game...these geeks set out to disprove creating uber minutia and stats.
From what I've seen on FOs you don't just contort numbers...you contort anything then try to make it sound credible.:dunno:
I thought you were a stat geek now I know it. You should have just disclaimed and we could have saved the tap dance.
^^I understood perfectly what you were
trying to say. But is THAT what you got out of what
I said???? I'm clearly talking above your head.

Boy genius, the point I was alluding to was the starting slot for the Dolphins was Welker, he is now the starting slot for the Pats..what has Welker's replacement(s) (STARTERs) done at the Dolphins as compared to what Welker is doing STARTING for the Patriots? You said 8 players....

Who's talking about every swinging dick they've rotated in or lined up at the slot??
Don't bother trying to answer I looked it up myself. "Lord knows," what kind of mumbo jumbo you'll contrive to try and prop up a flimsy point.
Dolphins since since Welker;
'07,
'08,
'09. Welker since the Dolphins;
Stats
Those stats don't remotely bear out the Dolphins doing better at slot without Welker especially considering what Welker's done since. But why even compare? The statistical comparison are almost irrelevant when you consider the circumstances. Welker plays for a better team, played along side a better WR, catches passes from 1 QB who's better than all the QBs Miami has had this entire decade combined and one of the all time best head coaches. What the fuck can statistical comparisons and raw numbers tell you under those circumstances???
You tried to make the case or suggest they were doing better without him because of some conflated, glommed up stats for their receivers you've retreated to. That's the problem with you and stats...what other idiot would try to make the case the Dolphins have been better off without Welker?? That's why the shit can (and often times is)
"anecdotally misleading" (You know, how when the reality is different from what some evidence or statistic suggests?:horse

Lombardi, unless they are lining the players on some list based on amount of receptions, a slot would be listed second because it's the "Y" position on the field in X, Y, Z receiver formations.
I never bash numbers as inaccurate unless they are. But most times numbers are what they are, not determinative. And as far as sports are concerned...usually used by geeks to buttress some flimsy point of view or win some stupid bet.
If the game was played with a pencil, paper and a bunch of numbers the Chargers would have been undefeated in the first 7 games instead of 2 and 5.:2 cents:
And that would be absolutely correct if behind that 12 was a number 4 as in 4 2 yard TDs or 3rd down conversions in the 4th quarter when you're trying to ice the game. AGAIN, NUMBERS DON'T ALWAYS CONVEY WHAT HAPPENS SITUATIONALLY. That's why they're for geeks.
No, what you claimed was Belichick wasn't 'enamored' with him nor did he have consideration for Welker becoming a 'star'. I don't know what definition you're going by or what your perspective on the word is but clearly Belichick went after Welker specifically, competed for him and ultimately trumped the competition by meeting Welker's demands over another team's negotiations and paid a guy Miami offered $1.3m per more than 3 times that. If that's not 'enamored' I wonder what he'd do for a player he
was 'enamored with.. Since he only goes after 'undervalued' player...Oh, I forgot...he did go after Randy Moss and asked his 3 time SB winning QB to restructure his contract to fit Moss under the cap. So much for that 'undervalued' bullshit.
Dude you're a stat nerd plain and simple...I don't care how loudly you're still futilely to reason a circumstance that more dynamic than just numbers. Get over yourself.
"Undervalued"??? "Expendable draft pick" are you fucking high??
His value was what it was as a first year starter with 67 receptions. "Expendable"? The Patriots gave up what they needed to in order to get him which was their 2nd rd. pick along with a 7th.
The only thing that makes a draft position 'expendable' if you want to call it that is when a team like the Patriots doesn't have many needs. That's one of the reasons they traded their other 1st rd. pick for SF's 1st in 2008. For their 3 picks in the first 2 rds. they ended up with B Meriweather and Wes Welker.