NFL '10/'11 Season Thread.

God what happened to my Bears? The first three weeks of the season the Bears looked good in the Martz offense but in the last three games they have been horrible. The offensive line is by far the worst in the league and Martz isn't helping out the line by throwing 80% of the time. Why can't this line block anyone? The Giants and Seahawks weren't doing anything exotic on defense, both are 4-3 base defenses. What the hell is going on?:mad:
 
God what happened to my Bears? The first three weeks of the season the Bears looked good in the Martz offense but in the last three games they have been horrible. The offensive line is by far the worst in the league and Martz isn't helping out the line by throwing 80% of the time. Why can't this line block anyone? The Giants and Seahawks weren't doing anything exotic on defense, both are 4-3 base defenses. What the hell is going on?:mad:

At least Hester is still as impressive as ever.;)
 
And what's up with Vinatieri missing kicks? Dude, you're supposed to be clutch. Get it together.

There is no such thing as having clutch skill. That's a sports myth. Vinatieri also has never had very great accuracy, at least not as well as a lot of people's perception of him. That goes back to even his prime with the Patriots. For some reason everybody always seems to miss or forgets about all those field goal tries of his that don't make it.
 
Yes! :thumbsup:
That would be the best format.
And if at the end of that period the game is still tied then the game is officially a tie, period.

All that needs to happen is a coin flip to see who kicks/receives and guarantee that each team gets 1 offensive position. The game becomes sudden death after each team has a possession. If one team scores immediately after receiving the initial OT kickoff, the other team must match or exceed their score on the next drive or the game ends. If the second team matches the score, than we have a normal kickoff, and we resume the OT. We can even put in an auto 2 pt conversion rule in there.
 
I'm glad my Vikings won. Our offense needs to improve. We have no consistently. Our offenseline is not playing well at all. We need to do some changes.
 

Ace Bandage

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There is no such thing as having clutch skill. That's a sports myth.
That's probably the dumbest fucking thing I've read in this thread.
Vinatieri also has never had very great accuracy, at least not as well as a lot of people's perception of him. That goes back to even his prime with the Patriots. For some reason everybody always seems to miss or forgets about all those field goal tries of his that don't make it.

Yeah, they probably remember the kick he made to win the AFC title game in 46 feet of snow. Or maybe the five field goals he kicked against Baltimore in the playoffs. And then they also probably remember the kick he made to win a fucking Super Bowl against the Rams. Or, they might consider the other game winning field goal he kicked in the fucking Super Bowl to beat the Panthers. And finally you could think about the three field goals he kicked against the Bears in another fucking Super Bowl during a downpour.

Yeah, I think that's clutch. Get a clue, Scooter. Scott Norwood called, he said you're dead wrong.
 
That's probably the dumbest fucking thing I've read in this thread.


Yeah, they probably remember the kick he made to win the AFC title game in 46 feet of snow. Or maybe the five field goals he kicked against Baltimore in the playoffs. And then they also probably remember the kick he made to win a fucking Super Bowl against the Rams. Or, they might consider the other game winning field goal he kicked in the fucking Super Bowl to beat the Panthers. And finally you could think about the three field goals he kicked against the Bears in another fucking Super Bowl during a downpour.

Yeah, I think that's clutch. Get a clue, Scooter. Scott Norwood called, he said you're dead wrong.

You must be joking. Adam missed a lot of kicks in games before he kicked game winners. How can someone be clutch by playing bad in 4/5 of a game and then pull off a miracle kick? He is highly overrated.
 
That's probably the dumbest fucking thing I've read in this thread.


Yeah, they probably remember the kick he made to win the AFC title game in 46 feet of snow. Or maybe the five field goals he kicked against Baltimore in the playoffs. And then they also probably remember the kick he made to win a fucking Super Bowl against the Rams. Or, they might consider the other game winning field goal he kicked in the fucking Super Bowl to beat the Panthers. And finally you could think about the three field goals he kicked against the Bears in another fucking Super Bowl during a downpour.

Yeah, I think that's clutch. Get a clue, Scooter. Scott Norwood called, he said you're dead wrong.

Tell yourself whatever you have to, but pretty much every well done and serious statistical study on sports ever done on "clutchness" has come to the conclusion that to a very high degree of probability it doesn't exist as a skill. It's just random fluctuations that come from usually selectively small sample sizes. In another words while clutch plays do happen they are just based on a players baseline skill level and luck and aren't a byproduct of a player having a "clutch" skill or being able to "turn it on".

On a non statistical but also purely logical level it would also seem to not exist as a skill, because if a player was really able to have a clutch making skill they would play that great all the time. The fact they don't would seem to contradict any thinking it exist. There is basically only three reasons any "clutchness" can happen by a player, like Vinatieri for example.

1. The player has some magical power that allows him to play better in more important situations.

2. The player intentionally doesn't play as well as he can until he is in a clutch situation where he finally decides to play to the full extent of his abilities. (I don't think Vinatieri is out there thinking to himself, "You know, I think I won't really try on this one. Maybe I should hook this right. That way when an important kick comes up I can do my best so people will call me clutch. Yeah, that's what I will do".)

3. The player was never any better or worse than his normal performance and through fortuitous random chance he performs better in a small number of plays that coincidently happen to be in more important situations.

I don't know about what you think but I don't think number one happens. With number 2 it's an extremely rare thing where almost any player let alone one at the top professional level doesn't play to the best of their ability almost all the time. That just leave us with number three, which is just another way of calling clutch what it really is, luck.

I base my decision off of evidence and logic while your basing yours off of blind emotion.
 
I think it's about time they did something. It's not the same game as it was back in the '50s when 200lbs was considered an OL :surprise:

However, what about making headgear mandatory for Pro boxing? It seems sort of weak for everyone to get up in arms over NFL hits and then let boxers slug each other in the head without any protection....:dunno:
 
They want a fix to this head hunting thing I got one. Any helmet to helmet hit that is on purpose should result in this: 15 yards the player is ejected from the game and the league can fine them and suspend them without pay. And as Patriots fan I though Meriweather's hit on Heap was on purpose and uncalled for.
 
James Harrison's agent said after learning of the $75,000 fines he received: “I’ve talked to James, and he’s very upset,” Parise said. “He’s quite confused about how to play football.”

Harrison's job is to hit people and he's damn good at it.

Football players will get hit and get hurt.

Race car drivers will be in accidents and get hurt and maybe die.

They get paid millions of dollars to accept these occupational hazards. If you're afraid of getting hurt, then don't play.
 
Bring's out the Gladiator fan in all of us. Decapitations are fucking excellent, I love watching a players helmet fly after getting rocked. Not condoning dirty play mind you, but a clean good hard hit is excellent.
 
Leading with your head when making a hit is just stupid to begin with. Forget the concussions you can break your own freakin' neck. In all the years that I played football, I never lead with my helmet. I always tried to put my shoulder through someones ribcage.
 

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I dont have a problem with the new rule/suspensions, but I do worry about how heavily it is enforced...refs have enough trouble determining touchdowns and other penalties WITH HD replays...And in cases where the helmet to helmet is simply caused by the chaos of 22 men running around trying to knock eachothers asses off, its going to be tough to keep tabs on em all...

Running backs and ballcarriers lead with their helmets when going into the piles...defensive players should not be held responsible for that...but at the same time how do you punish the offensive player for doing something they've been doing since the little leauges...it will be interesting to see how it is handled.

as far as this "clutch" stuff...I think we are lookin at the wrong sport...Baseball is probably the mother of all statistics and probability junk...the answer wont be found in a scientific study, it will be found in examining numbers...so lets look there...

here's something a bit interesting

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/clutch_skill_does_exist/
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"Anyway, as for actually finding a clutch skill, Andy did in fact find it, and the results are published in The Book. On p.103:

Batters perform slightly differently when under pressure. About one in six players increases his inherent “OBP skill” by eight points or more in high-pressure situations; a comparable number of players decreases it by eight points or more.

But as Andy concludes later on p.108:

For all practical purposes, a player can be expected to hit equally well in the clutch as he would be expected to do in an ordinary situation.

And the reason is as Andy noted on the previous page:

...that normalizing factor of 7600 clutch plate appearances is simply too large to ever predict a specific player to have a significant clutch hitting skill. Put differently, the fact that one of three players performs at least .006 [wOBA] better or worse in the clutch doesn’t mean that we can tell which players have this skill, even when looking at several seasons’ worth of data.

So, the entire problem rests on the fact that the hitting talent in MLB is so narrow to begin with, and that even though we have determined that clutch skill exists in that population of players, it is simply too hard to identify the specific players that it makes any practical difference.

To conclude: yes, clutch skill exists. No, it’s not that big a deal (at best, half as wide as than the platoon advantage). Correct, teams should not rely on clutch skill in their decision-making process, other than as a tie-breaker."
 
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