You'd know more about it than me, but overthrow of a regime through peaceful demonstration seems like being pretty ready!
Mubarak steps down
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You'd know more about it than me, but overthrow of a regime through peaceful demonstration seems like being pretty ready!
emceeemcee
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Interesting.
emceeemcee
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The problem ...
The problem is that sometimes a minority of radicals take the will of the people, the revolution they started, and finishes it for them. Iran is a perfect example.
Ironically, Egypt and Iran are a very different game. In Iran, the US had great control and influence, which led to another set of problems (and rightly so). In Egypt, the US-Egyptian partnership really started with the Suez Incident, which was really the last, major relic of European Imperialism (and a new role for and issues with the US).
I only hope the people install their government, and not a minority of the people. I also hope they recognize the peace that can be gained by continuing to recognize Israel and not a return to the era before the Camp David Accords.
The problem is that sometimes a minority of radicals take the will of the people, the revolution they started, and finishes it for them. Iran is a perfect example.
Ironically, Egypt and Iran are a very different game. In Iran, the US had great control and influence, which led to another set of problems (and rightly so). In Egypt, the US-Egyptian partnership really started with the Suez Incident, which was really the last, major relic of European Imperialism (and a new role for and issues with the US).
I only hope the people install their government, and not a minority of the people. I also hope they recognize the peace that can be gained by continuing to recognize Israel and not a return to the era before the Camp David Accords.
emceeemcee
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The Egyptians aren't interested in any more fruitless wars with Israel. But I think if they DO get to form a government we aren't going to see the same kind of acceptance of Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians that Mubarak showed. The blockade would probably be relaxed to some degree as well.
So you'd rather a dictatorship?
Yup.... if u just send me 10,000 dollar i ll buy u 100,000 votes that support u till death....unfortunatly we have alot of both poor and uneducated people. and i mean by uneducated not just that they cant read or write but they dont evenunderstand the major aspects of poltics which is 2 choose the right poltical part to represent ..and dont sell there votes 4 who just pay more
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
In addition to being happy that the Egyptian people have a chance to choose their own ruler for the first time, I guess ever... I'm also happy that the United States FINALLY kept its nose out of other people's business. Not every fight is our fight. While it's OK to show moral support for democracy, the U.S. would have just screwed things up by intervening any more than it did. The Mubarak regime was already trying to spin the story as if it was "foreign powers" that were to blame for the unrest. No one knew how this was going to play out, or what side the army was going to take. But since the U.S. is not well loved in many/most parts of the Middle East, by staying out of it, no one could pin anything on us (for once), or use us as the patsy for whatever action they took. And no one had any basis for burning American flags or chanting "down with America!!!" - and (AFAIK), they didn't. A successful revolution that didn't include a hatefest against the U.S. Wow, that's not something that you see everyday. :clap:
Wonder if Dickless Cheney and Donald Duck Rumsfeld were paying attention on how NOT to fuck up U.S. foreign policy? If those two geniuses were still on the scene, I'm sure they would have queued up the 101st Airborne by now. See, this is why I miss my pal Philbert; if he was still here, he could give us at least 50 things that Obama did wrong in this situation. Boy, I really miss my pal.
I just hope that it continues to go as smoothly as it's gone so far. It actually feels good to see something go right in the world for a change.
Wonder if Dickless Cheney and Donald Duck Rumsfeld were paying attention on how NOT to fuck up U.S. foreign policy? If those two geniuses were still on the scene, I'm sure they would have queued up the 101st Airborne by now. See, this is why I miss my pal Philbert; if he was still here, he could give us at least 50 things that Obama did wrong in this situation. Boy, I really miss my pal.
I just hope that it continues to go as smoothly as it's gone so far. It actually feels good to see something go right in the world for a change.
emceeemcee
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I'm surprised I haven't heard any speeches from either of them yet taking credit for what has happened in Egypt. I'm sure they believe they planted some kind of seed with the Iraq adventure.
this dictator steps down and another will try to come in to power most likely backed by the CIA, hopefully the people of Egypt will start to see through all the lies from here on out, when you are starving it becomes much easier to see the BS
Ummm, the Republicans have been out of control of the Executive for some time now, and neither of these two are actively involved with such. In fact, they largely avoid the media, only sparingly giving interviews.
I understand there is commonly an anti-GOP view on more liberal thinking boards like this, but this does border on obsession. I'm far more interested in what the current executive is doing or not doing, because they have real power to enact policy.
Although yes, from a practical standpoint, the regime change in Iraq from a Sunni minority to Shite interests has played a role in some considerations. That's just common sense. But it hasn't exactly been in the interests of the US or EU. That's why I did not want to go into Iraq in the first place. Sometimes status quo is better than the vacuum and conflicts that result when a nation comes in and changes things.
But we've been arguing this in the US since the Suez incident, and the years prior in our "moral crusade" against the National and then Soviet Socialists. The only difference today is the US puts boots on the ground, instead of just assassinating. Gerald Ford finally outlawed such after the decade-long results of JFK's prior moves in Southeast Asia.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Word for word "Have his shit cut out"I believe having your 'shit cut out' is actually in both the job description and constitution
Prosperity is nothing if it isn't equally shared.
You yanks shouldn't forget how you treated your British and French allies when we went charging into Suez....Ummm, the Republicans have been out of control of the Executive for some time now, and neither of these two are actively involved with such. In fact, they largely avoid the media, only sparingly giving interviews.
I understand there is commonly an anti-GOP view on more liberal thinking boards like this, but this does border on obsession. I'm far more interested in what the current executive is doing or not doing, because they have real power to enact policy.
Although yes, from a practical standpoint, the regime change in Iraq from a Sunni minority to Shite interests has played a role in some considerations. That's just common sense. But it hasn't exactly been in the interests of the US or EU. That's why I did not want to go into Iraq in the first place. Sometimes status quo is better than the vacuum and conflicts that result when a nation comes in and changes things.
But we've been arguing this in the US since the Suez incident, and the years prior in our "moral crusade" against the National and then Soviet Socialists. The only difference today is the US puts boots on the ground, instead of just assassinating. Gerald Ford finally outlawed such after the decade-long results of JFK's prior moves in Southeast Asia.
And if you think you can stop assasinations, think again. There's always a way.
I never said I agreed with it. But the Egyptians seemed to have forgotten how the US took its side.You yanks shouldn't forget how you treated your British and French allies when we went charging into Suez....
That was my point.
It's against the law in the US, and yes, it's well understood to be such. There's a reason it was outlawed. Yes, there are other ways and means, but at some point, it's not worth it.
People forget the US of the '50s-70s is not the same from the '80s on-ward in this regard. We put boots on the ground now. We still have a lot of history we can't forget though.
emceeemcee
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Maybe they got amnesia from all those US made tear gas cannisters that were fired at them.....
sounds a bit like you want the Egyptians to forget all the recent support America gave the guy who made their country a living hell and instead get all teary eyed and reminiscent about something that happened more than 50 years ago?
Now only if the people of Iran and Saudi Arabia can do the same thing.
2 right mate
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Well, half of that proposition seems to be in the works.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/14/iran-protests_n_822991.html
Sorry to all your righties to use the Huffington Post as a source. It came up early on my Google search and seemed to be reasonably objective in its presentation. No partisan statement intended....I think this is something we can all rejoice in....left, right or somewhere hopelessly fucked up in between.
Throw the motherfuckers out....Ahmadinejad must go!!!
:ak47: :violent:
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
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