Michael Moore

[georges]

Brino: Thanks for the link to the neocon site. Adds to the debate! My question: Who the fuck is this guy? Judging by the list of books he's written (http://www.davekopel.org/book.htm#Kopel) he's definitely a pro gun guy, so I can understand why he has a problem with Moore. (Who, despite Columbine, is an NRA member)

DS: Re where was Moore when Clinton was in office? He didn't see the need for an expose. And neither did the majority of the country who lived through Starr's 50 million dollar debacle that was the Clinton bj scam.

He saw other issues as being more pressing, like HMO's refusing transplants for everday people. And in the process, he saved a guy's life.

It wasn't until our President decided to sit there like a dipshit while planes were attacking his country and then sent 900 (and counting) guyd off to their deaths for arguable reasons that he decided to take on the White House.

RE: Sites attacking Moore's facts... I buy what what Moore has to say. But maybe others don't. Again, I say, HE'S NEVER BEEN SUED, AND THERE'S STILL TALK OF A $10,000 REWARD FOR ANYONE WHO CAN PROVE HIS FACTS WRONG. Here's his response to sites like those referenced before: http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

Not only are these arguments strong; don't you think this is a heated and powerful enough situation to get him into trouble if the facts weren't together?

Regardless of what a dipshit character assassin like the documentary boy wants to put in a movie about him, and his reaction to said dipshit, Moore's facts are solid. Presented from a point of view, but facts nonetheless.

The question is whether or not you share his point of view. If you don't, that's cool. But let's not hammer the guy for having a point of view.

Michael Moore brainwashes people because he doesn't want that they vote bush.Isn't that easy to understand? Michael Moore is a fat ass pig. He is insulting the NRA and the 2nd amendment more than anything else.He is a shit stirrer.His arguments are crap are based on opinions not on facts or authentic documents coming from the cia, fbi or nsa.His facts are just opinions, no proof = no talk.You know would i have been in charge of the nsa or another imortant organism would i have asked the us president to withdrawn michael moore the us citizenship as well as send him in another country. THat is severe but i will be the only way to stop such idiots to stirring shit like this.Michael Moore is full off shit for me he didn't desserved the palme d'or at Cannes.His film is full of hate, hatred and left wing bias.What would he desserve to have is massive beating till his last breath.That is my opinion and it won't change .

 

[Starman]

Originally posted by georges
Michael Moore brainwashes people because he doesn't want that they vote bush.Isn't that easy to understand? Michael Moore is a fat ass pig. He is insulting the NRA and the 2nd amendment more than anything else.He is a shit stirrer.His arguments are crap are based on opinions not on facts or authentic documents coming from the cia, fbi or nsa.His facts are just opinions, no proof = no talk.You know would i have been in charge of the nsa or another imortant organism would i have asked the us president to withdrawn michael moore the us citizenship as well as send him in another country. THat is severe but i will be the only way to stop such idiots to stirring shit like this.Michael Moore is full off shit for me he didn't desserved the palme d'or at Cannes.His film is full of hate, hatred and left wing bias.What would he desserve to have is massive beating till his last breath.That is my opinion and it won't change.

I'm sorry Georges, I consider you as a friend, but I would have to jump in between if that beating ever would occur. He has the right of free speech, among other freedoms, and I would sacrifice my life for anyone's right to express them, even if I didn't agree with his/her opinions. Plus I think it's always good with "shit stirrers" even if I don't agree with them. Forces people to think and make their own opinions about things, something that is really needed sometimes. Too many people walks through life like zombies.

 

[Brino]

Michael Moore brainwashes people because he doesn't want that they vote bush.Isn't that easy to understand? Michael Moore is a fat ass pig. He is insulting the NRA and the 2nd amendment more than anything else.He is a shit stirrer.His arguments are crap are based on opinions not on facts or authentic documents coming from the cia, fbi or nsa.His facts are just opinions, no proof = no talk.You know would i have been in charge of the nsa or another imortant organism would i have asked the us president to withdrawn michael moore the us citizenship as well as send him in another country. THat is severe but i will be the only way to stop such idiots to stirring shit like this.Michael Moore is full off shit for me he didn't desserved the palme d'or at Cannes.His film is full of hate, hatred and left wing bias.What would he desserve to have is massive beating till his last breath.That is my opinion and it won't change .

I will admit that Moore uses questionable editing in his films but Moore himself has said that his film is just his opinions and beliefs and since when is expressing your beliefs brainwashing? And about the NRA and the Second Amendment right I agree that people should be allowed to carry arms (for hunting only) but they dont need military grade weapons for hunting nor do they need to have more than one or two guns for hunting so why have them? I think that's the point Moore is trying to make about guns. You can say that Moore's film is full of hate but everything the Bush administration does is hateful. Hateful of criticism, hateful of different points of view, and hateful of those that dont agree with them. So I don't mind if Moore fight's fire with fire it's about time somebody did.

 

[bibo]

Michael Moore brainwashes people because he doesn't want that they vote bush.

:rofl:
...says the brainwashed guy.

Pot kettle anyone?

His arguments are crap are based on opinions not on facts or authentic documents coming from the cia, fbi or nsa.

You mean as authentic as the "clear evidence" they copy/pasted from this one student... INCLUDING the spelling errors? Authentic as the pictures of nuclear weapons in Iraq? As authentic as the little flask with white liquid that Powell was waving with in his speach before the UN?

You know would i have been in charge of the nsa or another imortant organism would i have asked the us president to withdrawn michael moore the us citizenship as well as send him in another country.

Wow.. that´s cool! People having other political opinions... send them out of the country. Better still: kill them. Better safe than sorry, eh? After all, maybe some people will wake up and *gasp* share his POV!!!!
You know, deary, this is called dictatorship. This is what the western world is trying to FIGHT in Iraq. If you can´t stand the fact that people have different opinions and the freedom to express them, then democracy isn´t your cup of tea. But if that´s the case, then stop patting yourself on the shoulder about how great and wise your friend Bush is to fight for freedom and save those poor Iraqui souls from the evil dictator Saddam.

His film is full of hate, hatred and left wing bias.What would he desserve to have is massive beating till his last breath.That is my opinion and it won't change .

Apparently violence is the only answer you have to handle things like this. That´s just sad, Georges, very very sad. Remember a coule of years ago when some muslim countries sentenced deathpenalty over Salman Rushdie because he wrote a book? Remember the cries of disgust and outrage from all the "free" countries and the civilized western people? Moore made a film and wrote a book. Now look at your reaction. If simplifications and fists and sticks and violence is your only answer, then I`m affraid a good portion of the western civilization still hasn´t passed the evolutional state of Neandertalers. Neandertalers in suits, but still stupid, moronic cavemen with clubs in their hands, beating up what they can´t understand.
Way to go dude.

 

[georges]

I will admit that Moore uses questionable editing in his films but Moore himself has said that his film is just his opinions and beliefs and since when is expressing your beliefs brainwashing? And about the NRA and the Second Amendment right I agree that people should be allowed to carry arms (for hunting only) but they dont need military grade weapons for hunting nor do they need to have more than one or two guns for hunting so why have them? I think that's the point Moore is trying to make about guns. You can say that Moore's film is full of hate but everything the Bush administration does is hateful. Hateful of criticism, hateful of different points of view, and hateful of those that dont agree with them. So I don't mind if Moore fight's fire with fire it's about time somebody did.

are you a democrat or someone of a left wing party? if yes that doesn't astonish me.Bush defends the country and stop always putting the blame on him. Clinton was not better than by Bush, he had a pro arab policy. He gave the peace nobel prize to Yasser Arafat a terrorist.
As i said peaceful talks don't help with terrorists. Give me proofs of what hateful the bush administration
did? Weak or useless arguments won't be accepted.
About guns and what if someone wants to buy an m16 is that your business?No it is definitely not yours and it is not michael moore's business too.Michael Moore sticks too much his nose where it doesn't belong.Michael Moore is an nra member sure but he passes for a tard according to the opinion of many nra members.
Voting for Kerry is a proof of being weakminded and saying yes to terrorism.Voting Nader is not better.
None in America likes weak minded presidents. Kerry is a weakminded person and he is not that courageous because i am sure if he is elected president he will move the us troops out of Irak which will show a proof of his total stupidity and weakness.
Fuck Kerry and Screw Nader. Vote republican.Vote GWB

 

[georges]

for you bibo

Withdrawning the citizenship from Michael Moore is punishment.His books are full of hatred and hate.Maybe would you allow books that piss off some of the most influent us politicians ? You let it pass as if you are one of his fans, are you?There is a limit for all.But Michael Moore has no limits.Would he be less disruptive would my reaction has been completely different.Like on the death penalty subject you say let the person live the prison will be better for the criminal. No way a criminal won't get better even if he is in prison.
Sometimes people doesn't understand talks that is why there is no other solution than using force, but apparently you don't want to understand that.You probably live in wonderland, it is time to be realistic and stop thinking that peaceful talks always help.
Stop pissing me off, i ask it you politely and for the last time.

 

[georges]

I'm sorry Georges, I consider you as a friend, but I would have to jump in between if that beating ever would occur. He has the right of free speech, among other freedoms, and I would sacrifice my life for anyone's right to express them, even if I didn't agree with his/her opinions. Plus I think it's always good with "shit stirrers" even if I don't agree with them. Forces people to think and make their own opinions about things, something that is really needed sometimes. Too many people walks through life like zombies.

As someone said me on other forum"there will be no shit if you start no shit".Michael Moore began to stir shit with nra and now with Irak when it wasn't his business now his goal is to show Bush as bad.Michael Moore is like Kerry's Goebbels that is evident.However i am sick of this Michael Moore fanboyism really it is time to stop to believe all what is said in the media or elsewhere.So conclusion you have to be selective when you hear news and analyze facts and not be blind.But disruption and slinging mud like Michael Moore does and which passes through movies should be submitted under control and if the movies are too disruptive they should be banned.That is my opinion.

 

[Brino]

First of all I classify myself as liberal. Not democrat or green party I dont like the restrictions of being a part of one party. Second Israel was much more peaceful under Clinton than Bush. Bush defends the country with violence and violence only causes more violence. You cant kill every Arab. Third it was a member of the Bush administration that leaked the name of a C.I.A. agent because that agents husband was critical of the Bush administrations cause for going to war. How's that for hateful! Not only is that hateful but whoever did it is also a fucking coward because they wont come forward and say that they did it.

It becomes my business when that m16 is used to shoot up a school or used in gang violence or used to hurt somebody in general. There is no need for a civilian to have an m16 and it is far to easy for people to get their hands on one.

Kerry is not weak. Kerry has actually seen combat and actually led soldiers in battle. Kerry has probably even killed people in combat before. Bush on the other hand joined the National Guard and didnt see a bit of combat and it's debatable whether he even actually showed up for all his National Guard duties. Kerry's plan for Iraq is actually not all that different from Bush's he realizes that we cant just pullout but he also realizes that we cant do it alone. Vote Kerry! Kerry/Edwards 2004!

 

[foxfilm]

Georges, you have now moved into territory that only proves the liberal point of view that when a conservative is faced with ideas that don't gel with his, the response is often violent.

FYI, Moore is no gun hater. He's a member of the National Rifle Association and is a pretty good shot, stories suggest. He defends every American's right to own a gun. He just has a problem with folks who solve their problems with them.

And just take it from a guy who lost one of his 10 year old cousins when another cousin -- the first boy's 13 year old brother -- took Granpa's 12 gauge off the mantle and was fucking around with it. He accidently blew a hole through his younger brother's chest, and got to watch him die. And he was screwed up from that day forward. Ended up in jail, as an adult, so the family thinks.

Needless to say, I'm not a big fan of guns as a result. But our country allows damn near any fucking idiot with a pulse (and a vendetta?) to own one of the things, and the majority of people that I know who own them would be as likely to blow their own foot off as safely shoot an intruder, but it makes them feel safe, and that's ok by me. Just don't expect any kind of respect for it. If anything, I'm weary of anyone who says they're packin, including the police.

The right to bear arms was conceived when everyone had single shot muzzle loaders, not firepower capable of taking out a small neighborhood in a few seconds.

But still, I'll give folks the right to have them if they're that afraid of the world.

Just a head's up on just how marginalized your thinking on this whole Moore/F911 thing is, George...

A Harris poll conducted between July 12 and 16 concluded that while 85% of democrats polled thought Moore's movie was fair to Bush (you know, those folks who actually outvoted Republicans in the 2000 election?), 56% of Independents felt is was fair (while 70% liked the movie; so 14% them thought it was unfair, but liked the movie anyway!), and 44% of the Republicans -- ALMOST HALF -- think it was fair. AGAIN, 44% OF REPUBLICANS SEE THE ASS KICKING BUSH TAKES IN THIS MOVIE AS FAIR.

So if you wish to align yourself with the Moore bashers, just know that according to this survey you're just barely in the majority of a group that represents about 1/3 of the adult US. (Taking into account the number of unclassified, non-voters there are in the US. And I'm sorry but I don't think I've ever met a republican thinking child, with the exception of that one kid who always refused to share his stuff at recess, so they're probably pro Moore too.)

And while I'm always one to support the underdog, in this case I'll just let y'all support your own minority.

But I'll be happy to shake your hand as a brother if you'd like to come on over to the majority view.

Hell, I'd shake your hand like a brother if you don't, but I'd be happier about it if we were on the same page!

 

[georges]

First of all I classify myself as liberal. Not democrat or green party I dont like the restrictions of being a part of one party. Second Israel was much more peaceful under Clinton than Bush. Bush defends the country with violence and violence only causes more violence. You cant kill every Arab. Third it was a member of the Bush administration that leaked the name of a C.I.A. agent because that agents husband was critical of the Bush administrations cause for going to war. How's that for hateful! Not only is that hateful but whoever did it is also a fucking coward because they wont come forward and say that they did it.

It becomes my business when that m16 is used to shoot up a school or used in gang violence or used to hurt somebody in general. There is no need for a civilian to have an m16 and it is far to easy for people to get their hands on one.

Kerry is not weak. Kerry has actually seen combat and actually led soldiers in battle. Kerry has probably even killed people in combat before. Bush on the other hand joined the National Guard and didnt see a bit of combat and it's debatable whether he even actually showed up for all his National Guard duties. Kerry's plan for Iraq is actually not all that different from Bush's he realizes that we cant just pullout but he also realizes that we cant do it alone. Vote Kerry! Kerry/Edwards 2004!

thanks for your opinion brino.But i will ask you: do you live in a town where you see gang drive by shootings or murders everyday? No i don't think it is the case. More you ban something more will people do illegal things for getting it. In every case there are a lot of gun lovers in the us that is easily understandable. They represent a lot of electors so if you want to screw their rights they will screw you at the elections.
The cia was fucked up by tenet.Would it have been allen dulles or john karamessines would the situation have been completely different.However you have your opinion and i respect that.

regards and peace

georges

 

[Brino]

thanks for your opinion brino.But i will ask you: do you live in a town where you see gang drive by shootings or murders everyday? No i don't think it is the case. More you ban something more will people do illegal things for getting it. In every case there are a lot of gun lovers in the us that is easily understandable. They represent a lot of electors so if you want to screw their rights they will screw you at the elections.
The cia was fucked up by tenet.Would it have been allen dulles or john karamessines would the situation have been completely different.However you have your opinion and i respect that.

regards and peace

georges

Actually Yea I do. I grew up in Sacramento California and there were drive by shootings just about every day there. A kid that went to my middle school got killed in one and I had to walk to school everyday. I do agree with you though if the general public wants something (like guns) bad enough they will find a way to get their hands on it. Nonetheless tougher gun laws might prevent shool shootings and kids from accidentally shooting themselves. I never said abolish the 2nd amendment right I just think there should be tougher gun laws.

 

[georges]

Georges, you have now moved into territory that only proves the liberal point of view that when a conservative is faced with ideas that don't gel with his, the response is often violent.
FYI, Moore is no gun hater. He's a member of the National Rifle Association and is a pretty good shot, stories suggest. He defends every American's right to own a gun. He just has a problem with folks who solve their problems with them.
And just take it from a guy who lost one of his 10 year old cousins when another cousin -- the first boy's 13 year old brother -- took Granpa's 12 gauge off the mantle and was fucking around with it. He accidently blew a hole through his younger brother's chest, and got to watch him die. And he was screwed up from that day forward. Ended up in jail, as an adult, so the family thinks.
Needless to say, I'm not a big fan of guns as a result. But our country allows damn near any fucking idiot with a pulse (and a vendetta?) to own one of the things, and the majority of people that I know who own them would be as likely to blow their own foot off as safely shoot an intruder, but it makes them feel safe, and that's ok by me. Just don't expect any kind of respect for it. If anything, I'm weary of anyone who says they're packin, including the police.
The right to bear arms was conceived when everyone had single shot muzzle loaders, not firepower capable of taking out a small neighborhood in a few seconds.
But still, I'll give folks the right to have them if they're that afraid of the world.
Just a head's up on just how marginalized your thinking on this whole Moore/F911 thing is, George...
A Harris poll conducted between July 12 and 16 concluded that while 85% of democrats polled thought Moore's movie was fair to Bush (you know, those folks who actually outvoted Republicans in the 2000 election?), 56% of Independents felt is was fair (while 70% liked the movie; so 14% them thought it was unfair, but liked the movie anyway!), and 44% of the Republicans -- ALMOST HALF -- think it was fair. AGAIN, 44% OF REPUBLICANS SEE THE ASS KICKING BUSH TAKES IN THIS MOVIE AS FAIR.
So if you wish to align yourself with the Moore bashers, just know that according to this survey you're just barely in the majority of a group that represents about 1/3 of the adult US. (Taking into account the number of unclassified, non-voters there are in the US. And I'm sorry but I don't think I've ever met a republican thinking child, with the exception of that one kid who always refused to share his stuff at recess, so they're probably pro Moore too.)
And while I'm always one to support the underdog, in this case I'll just let y'all support your own minority.
But I'll be happy to shake your hand as a brother if you'd like to come on over to the majority view.
Hell, I'd shake your hand like a brother if you don't, but I'd be happier about it if we were on the same page!

hi foxfilm

It is a question of thinking differently you can't agree everytime.None has the same reactions. Look at what did Reagan for the country and he was a republican. Maybe i am somewhat violent but i don't think it is the right term.The right terms would be straightforward and frank.I always expressed and express my voews in the same way i am thinking.
What happened to his 10 years old cousin is the fault of his uncle he should have locked the gun.When someoen has gun there is a gun safe where all guns are locked.I have been in the us and i have seen people who at shooting ranges don't know what is safety.There is an education that comes along when you buy a gun.If the guy hasn't received the gun education through a trained gun educator or confirmed shooter he will be an idiot and a potential criminal.
I know a friend of my uncle who owns a m16 and who is a very cool guy, he works as a mechanic and he is not a crazy guy.He just enjoys firing his M16 on the shooting range.It is like collecting watches or riding a harley.
I never liked Michael Moore and never will.
Well we all have our defined position and point of view.
Whatever is your political party and your thaughts, i respect you as a human person and a friend even if we have opposite point of views and thaughts.

peace, regards and have a beer on me:glugglug::georges:

georges

 

[georges]

Actually Yea I do. I grew up in Sacramento California and there were drive by shootings just about every day there. A kid that went to my middle school got killed in one and I had to walk to school everyday. I do agree with you though if the general public wants something (like guns) bad enough they will find a way to get their hands on it. Nonetheless tougher gun laws might prevent shool shootings and kids from accidentally shooting themselves. I never said abolish the 2nd amendment right I just think there should be tougher gun laws.

California is a dangerous place to live especially la where in th early 90's there wre drive by shootings everyday and where it opposed bloods and crips gangs everyday.Sorry to hear about what happened to the kid.For your info, the persons who are responsible of those murders and drive by shootings are gangs that come from ghettos and poor suburbs they buy illegal guns with erased serial numbers and because of them , the honest people pay the consequences.

regards

georges

 

[bibo]

so let´s get this straight:

An american citizen starting a discussion about american citizens being allowed to wear guns or not. That´s sticking his nose into something that´s none of his business in your books.
On the other hand a french citizen telling american citizens whom to vote for and who not is considered perfectly ok. Yeah. Makes sense to me.

Stop talking you fountain of hipocracy. You´re making yourself look like an utter idiot.

Sometimes people doesn't understand talks that is why there is no other solution than using force, but apparently you don't want to understand that.You probably live in wonderland, it is time to be realistic and stop thinking that peaceful talks always help.

POT AND KETTLE!
You see, all Michael Moore does is TALK! And from your reaction, YOU ARE the one that doesn´t understand. So violence is the only solution for your own inability to use your braincells.

I`m not living in wonderland. But I´m living in a country where people are allowed to think differently and where people aren´t being punished because of what they think. Expelling people from a country because of their thoughts was a well known mechanism in the USSR, in fact it´s a well known mechanism in all communistic countries. You´re not part of the solution, dude, you´re a part of the problem. It´s people like you who made the 3rd reich possible, the kind of people who don´t understand any other language than the language of their fists and guns.

Stop pissing me off, i ask it you politely and for the last time.

:rofl:

Georges, who the f*ck do you think you are?

 

[bibo]

Maybe i am somewhat violent but i don't think it is the right term.The right terms would be straightforward and frank

Welcome to the wonderful world of euphemisms. Killing the jews was described as "ethnical cleansing". Doesn´t change a goddamn thing though. Violence is violence, no matter what term you´re hiding behind.

 

[georges]

so let´s get this straight:
An american citizen starting a discussion about american citizens being allowed to wear guns or not. That´s sticking his nose into something that´s none of his business in your books.
On the other hand a french citizen telling american citizens whom to vote for and who not is considered perfectly ok. Yeah. Makes sense to me.
Stop talking you fountain of hipocracy. You´re making yourself look like an utter idiot.
POT AND KETTLE!
You see, all Michael Moore does is TALK! And from your reaction, YOU ARE the one that doesn´t understand. So violence is the only solution for your own inability to use your braincells.
I`m not living in wonderland. But I´m living in a country where people are allowed to think differently and where people aren´t being punished because of what they think. Expelling people from a country because of their thoughts was a well known mechanism in the USSR, in fact it´s a well known mechanism in all communistic countries. You´re not part of the solution, dude, you´re a part of the problem. It´s people like you who made the 3rd reich possible, the kind of people who don´t understand any other language than the language of their fists and guns.
:rofl:
Georges, who the f*ck do you think you are?

just because something bad happened Michael Moore want to see change in gunlaws, but who the hell is michael moore taking himself for?
Yes Michael Moore talks but there is a whole differnce between talking and insulting someone as well as slinging mud.Michael Moore makes offensive and disruptive propaganda.He uses the lowest and less honest methods for make his so called documentaries.
Expressing your opinion is ok but there is a limit in the way how you express it.Bashing and insulting a president and a government is very weak and low.Michael Moore doesn't respect the integrity, the choice and the views of other people.
Now let's talk about guns.How would you react if someone wants to rob house and threatens you with a gun?
Now about fists , how would you react if someone is going to brutalize or beat or insult you several times despite you warned him?
About the last sentence you offended me because some people in my family were killed by the german in wwII.Have you thaught before writing this sentence???I don't think you had.
It is ok for exchanging opinions Bibo i agree but i won't tolerate that someone pisses me off.
Thanks for your understanding.

 

[georges]

Welcome to the wonderful world of euphemisms. Killing the jews was described as "ethnical cleansing". Doesn´t change a goddamn thing though. Violence is violence, no matter what term you´re hiding behind.

Please don't put words in my mouth and don't say what i didn't say. I have visited Auschwitz Birkenau Camp, have you visited it or no?I am fighting against racism Bibo longer than you can think.
One of my friends who is an asian was insulted and agressed, i already took his defense.When someone offenses and insults you and eventually your friends, would you let it pass?

 

[bibo]

Yes Michael Moore talks but there is a whole differnce between talking and insulting someone as well as slinging mud.

SO true, dude!
And there also is a difference between insulting and slinging mud and expelling someone from a country because of his opinion... or even use violence against him.

Expressing your opinion is ok but there is a limit in the way how you express it.

Blimey! Last time I checked we had a freedom of speech and mind. Must have changed in the meantime.
Are you defining the limits? Dude: you still don´t get it do you? PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ TO DEFEND THE ABILITY TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY!

Bashing and insulting a president and a government is very weak and low.Michael Moore doesn't respect the integrity, the choice and the views of other people.

Why? Is a government under some sort of special protection? Is Bush God or the pope? Why should someone treat a government differently just becuase it´s a government? And where on earth does he fail to respect the integrity and views of others? Does *he* say "You have to share my POV otherwise I´ll expell you from the country and beat you up"? If he wouldn´t respect other people´s views, he wouldn´t write books and make films. Words and arguments are being used by people who respect others. Violence isn´t.

Now let's talk about guns.How would you react if someone wants to rob house and threatens you with a gun?
Now about fists , how would you react if someone is going to brutalize or beat or insult you several times despite you warned him?

Irrelevant.
The entire "guns or not" discussion is completely beside the point. Just the fact that you´re trying to say Moore has no right to start this discussion while you apparently may is what´s making the difference.

About the last sentence you offended me because some people in my family were killed by the german in wwII.Have you thaught before writing this sentence???I don't think you had.

Well... your signature doesn´t say that you´ve lost familymembers in WW2, so how in the hell should I have known that? And if that´s the case, then you should have learned something from your own history. But it´s funny that you´re questioning my thoughts here. If the faschist thing is such a painful tabu for you, then I wonder why you are merrily calling Michael Moore Kerry´s Goebbels. How many people did you insult with this pseudo-argument? Did you think something when you wrote that?

Please don't put words in my mouth and don't say what i didn't say.

Have I? Where?
I just pointed out that changing the words don´t change the facts.

I have visited Auschwitz Birkenau Camp, have you visited it or no?

Trust me, I have. And a lot of other places too.
And guess what: I also understood what happened there and - more important- HOW it could happen. By intolerance against political opponents and by using violence as a method of last resort when people are getting short of arguments.

I am fighting against racism Bibo longer than you can think.

LOL
I seriously doubt that dude. Not your fight, but the "longer than I can think" part.

One of my friends who is an asian was insulted and agressed, i already took his defense.When someone offenses and insults you and eventually your friends, would you let it pass?

But you insulting and agressing a guy who dared to write a book is ok?

 

[Brino]

Wel well well look who came up big at the world stupidity awards
http://www.canada.com/national/nati....html?id=d779a64c-1f81-46b0-8b75-b77df40ac1a7

Just thought it was funny! :rofl: :rofl2:

 

[georges]

SO true, dude!
1)And there also is a difference between insulting and slinging mud and expelling someone from a country because of his opinion... or even use violence against him.
Blimey! Last time I checked we had a freedom of speech and mind. Must have changed in the meantime.

2)Are you defining the limits? Dude: you still don´t get it do you? PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED IN IRAQ TO DEFEND THE ABILITY TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY!

3)Why? Is a government under some sort of special protection? Is Bush God or the pope? Why should someone treat a government differently just becuase it´s a government? And where on earth does he fail to respect the integrity and views of others? Does *he* say "You have to share my POV otherwise I´ll expell you from the country and beat you up"? If he wouldn´t respect other people´s views, he wouldn´t write books and make films. Words and arguments are being used by people who respect others. Violence isn´t.
Irrelevant.
The entire "guns or not" discussion is completely beside the point. Just the fact that you´re trying to say Moore has no right to start this discussion while you apparently may is what´s making the difference.

4)Well... your signature doesn´t say that you´ve lost familymembers in WW2, so how in the hell should I have known that? And if that´s the case, then you should have learned something from your own history. But it´s funny that you´re questioning my thoughts here. If the faschist thing is such a painful tabu for you, then I wonder why you are merrily calling Michael Moore Kerry´s Goebbels. How many people did you insult with this pseudo-argument? Did you think something when you wrote that?

5)Have I? Where?
I just pointed out that changing the words don´t change the facts.

6)Trust me, I have. And a lot of other places too.
And guess what: I also understood what happened there and - more important- HOW it could happen. By intolerance against political opponents and by using violence as a method of last resort when people are getting short of arguments.


7)I seriously doubt that dude. Not your fight, but the "longer than I can think" part.

8)But you insulting and agressing a guy who dared to write a book is ok?

1) Not many like the way moore is doing his movies maybe you do as well as other people but a lot of people don't. they find that disruptive and going far beyond the limits

2) I know what is going on in Irak for a long time.30 years of saddam have left horrible consequences

3) No why must someone attack Bush? Isn't that too easy? None attacked clinton when he was a president kinda weak excuse isn't it.The methods taht Moore uses are more than questionable, you can't deny that. Michael Moore's books are based on hatred and hate of the us government as well as the hate of the nra despite he is a member.He doesn't like his country that much.Conclusion he fails by acting like this.

4) I never liked Mr Moore as compared to you.I think that i was upset and irate by typing this.I should have said instead that Moore's was kerry most faithful spokesperson and propaganda makerIt is the first time that i react in a so strong way.Î never had insulted someone like I insulted Mr Moore

5) here is where i reproached you to put words in my mouth by saying this:
"Welcome to the wonderful world of euphemisms. Killing the jews was described as "ethnical cleansing". Doesn´t change a goddamn thing though.Violence is violence, no matter what term you´re hiding behind." when i told you that i was frank and straightforward

6) ok

7) you fail because during my youth i was called a fucking dirty russian or a fucking idiotic communist. it is better not to speak a false thing when you don't know something about a person.

8)Michael Moore insults Bush and wants to show that he is Mr Knowitall.The people who gave him the oscar should be punished because knowing the french jury of the festival de Cannes it was mostly composed of antiamerican-antibush people and pro leftist as well as people who have a pro arab foreign policy.
I hate Mr Moore methods and not many people like them except you and some moore fans.