Many NeoCons attacking gov't health insurance rely on gov't health insurance
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I have always love how people in those programs either don't know or don't admit it. One really great answer I heard was when Grassley of Iowa was asked about getting the same heathcare he had his response was to get a government job! And he wassupposedly negotiating for us! Why do we keep electing these people?
What...you're expecting these yahoos to be consistent now??:dunno:
Most people don't know off the top of their head who their health care provider is (just like GOPer head buffoon Michael Steele) all the give a shit about is whether their doctor gets paid....so they can go back to him/her if they need to.
Most people don't know off the top of their head who their health care provider is (just like GOPer head buffoon Michael Steele) all the give a shit about is whether their doctor gets paid....so they can go back to him/her if they need to.
dont be a boob...the health care coverage that elected officials get is 100 times better than what the kenyan & his buddies are proposing...if Ted Kennedy had it, he would have been dead in 6 months instead he got experimental & cutting edge treatment because he had the best health care coverage possible...approved by those in congress/senate for themselves!!!
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Don't broad brush convict all because of a few.
What do you expect of people :1orglaugh if the government were to send you a "free" additional unemployment check...are ya gonna send it back ?
Now it's the Neo com's turn here.... what would a Neo com Do in this situation ?
There wouldn't be such a choice ! not a One !
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
There's nothing new nor surprising about this. The hypocrisy of the anti-health care reform congressmen railing against "socialized medicine" when that is exactly what they have is abominable. It's fine for them to have but not for the rest of us?
Elitist pigs! :thefinger
Elitist pigs! :thefinger
Therein lies the misconception skech....your doctor takes care of your health care and will continue to do so no matter what passes. As long as you get timely, appropriate treatment....do you actually care if Prudential, United or Medicare defrays the costs?
No, I don't. And if it really is that painless, I'll be first in line.
Will E Worm
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Short & sweet ! :bowdown:
Reps to you for being sensible my friend, nothing further, there need not be any further debate. :thumbsup:
I have to laugh when I hear or read some of the things you do on this issue.
1. I saw republicans in congress saying how they would never vote for a plan that puts the govt between patients and doctors and decision making about care.Like there isn't already somebody between those people like HMO's and insurance companies making decisions on who gets what and what is covered.It's a false choice they are talking about,but what else is new?
2. And while I don't think health care is perfect in other countries where the govt runs it I do think they look to be in better shape with it then we are.People who argue against that don't have the facts of cost,universal coverage and outcomes on their side but they just ignore that and talk about socialism etc.Again what else is new?
They must believe we are and have been in "good hands" with the people like the ones below.
http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/9/21/fireball/f_eu7yae749orm_20a428e.gif
I mean their just trying to make a profit why would we want to ruin their good thing just because they have gotten us to a system that doesn't cover everyone,makes health care decisions based on profit motives and makes us spend like double the other countries to boot.What are we complaining about?
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Here is the truth on the " good hands" type of people.
http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/21/fireball/f_fpdagyawpdbm_27bacb7.jpg
http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/9/21/fireball/f_cvupu0smm_c5a95f9.gif
Drop you like a hot potato if they think it's in their financial interest!:thefinger
1. I saw republicans in congress saying how they would never vote for a plan that puts the govt between patients and doctors and decision making about care.Like there isn't already somebody between those people like HMO's and insurance companies making decisions on who gets what and what is covered.It's a false choice they are talking about,but what else is new?
2. And while I don't think health care is perfect in other countries where the govt runs it I do think they look to be in better shape with it then we are.People who argue against that don't have the facts of cost,universal coverage and outcomes on their side but they just ignore that and talk about socialism etc.Again what else is new?
They must believe we are and have been in "good hands" with the people like the ones below.
http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/9/21/fireball/f_eu7yae749orm_20a428e.gif
I mean their just trying to make a profit why would we want to ruin their good thing just because they have gotten us to a system that doesn't cover everyone,makes health care decisions based on profit motives and makes us spend like double the other countries to boot.What are we complaining about?
:eek:Here is the truth on the " good hands" type of people.
http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/21/fireball/f_fpdagyawpdbm_27bacb7.jpg
http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/9/21/fireball/f_cvupu0smm_c5a95f9.gif
Drop you like a hot potato if they think it's in their financial interest!:thefinger
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
No offense intended but your comments sounds like the feelings of someone who is 23 years old, skechers. Wait until you get to be my age and are up to your balls in the shit health-care system we have now.....forget about wary....I'm way beyond wary....I'm fucking pissed and sick and tired of being royally fucked in the ass by some god-damned insurance company who only cares about the bottom line and could give a flying fuck about me!
How often do you go to the doctor, skechers? When was the last time you had to go into the hospital for an operation? Do you have any medical conditions for which you need ongoing and constant treatment? How would you like to be told that your insurance will not cover a pre-existing condition like high blood-pressure or diabetes?
I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here and for all I know maybe you go to the doctor several times a week. However, I remember well when I was your age and health insurance was about the last fucking thing in the world I was concerned about. The status quo works just fine if you never participate....no matter how fucked-up it is.
Medicare works. Ask any doctor. So does Medicaid. There's no reason to believe that a government administered public-option (emphasis on the word option) could or would not be similarly effective.
Doesn't matter what age or health you are Jag.The costs and the economic effects apply to all.Not that I don't think you know that.
I heard yesterday a buisness group (no lefty's them lol) released a report that said by 2019 the cost per employee for health insurance would go from the roughly $10,200 it is now to $29,000 if nothing is done.Everyone should be worried about that even the young and healthy, as that would leave very little for wage increases ,in fact they will make you carry(pay) a big portion of that increase yourself I'm sure, as they have been doing for years already to most employees, so your standard of living will for sure be impacted negatively.A quarter of GDP just for health care is our future unless we do something.
Let's assume for a minute that we can give everyone in the country health insurance and the standard of care will not decrease... (big assumption).
So the question becomes this: How are we going to pay for it?
The current programs of Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are all said to be in trouble within a couple of years... not to mention current fraud in the Medicaid/Medicare system is anywhere from 5-12% depending on who you believe... the truth is no one knows...
And I tell you what is really starting to piss me off about all of these great ideas: We are BROKE people. BROKE. And here I am, paying my own way, while the government wastes my tax money, and now they want to run yet another program when they can't even do a "cash for clunkers" right?
Reform the current system, have more competition, have tort reform, but keep the Feds out of my pocket. There is no such thing as a 'free lunch' and all of these previous lunches are coming due very soon...
So the question becomes this: How are we going to pay for it?
The current programs of Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are all said to be in trouble within a couple of years... not to mention current fraud in the Medicaid/Medicare system is anywhere from 5-12% depending on who you believe... the truth is no one knows...
And I tell you what is really starting to piss me off about all of these great ideas: We are BROKE people. BROKE. And here I am, paying my own way, while the government wastes my tax money, and now they want to run yet another program when they can't even do a "cash for clunkers" right?
Reform the current system, have more competition, have tort reform, but keep the Feds out of my pocket. There is no such thing as a 'free lunch' and all of these previous lunches are coming due very soon...
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Doesn't matter what age or health you are Jag.The costs and the economic effects apply to all.Not that I don't think you know that.
Skechers post was not referring to cost....it was referring to effectiveness (or perceived lack thereof). I appreciate your point however but I would also offer that the costs are much greater overall with the current system but that point has been beaten to death on this forum.
I'm tired of the argument frankly. We are so far behind the curve in this country on this issue that it boggles the mind.
You're right. Been a long time since I've needed any healthcare at all. Last time I was in, I needed three little stitches, and it was all covered by the company I work for.
So I shouldn't be concerned with what I'll have to deal with soon enough? Or what my friends and family have to deal with now, or will have to?
If I must understand that you aren't trying to be a smart ass, then you should understand that i'm not being cynical. And if I said something that you deem ignorant or offensive, then I apologize.
I'm just speaking my young, inexperienced and obviously ignorant mind, jagger. Much love.
Rey C.
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Yes, I heard the same report. And while I understand that Michelle "Moonbat" Bachmann prefers that we do nothing, I think anyone who believes that private companies are going to absorb $29,000 per employee is really fooling themselves. There are already many advantages to moving work overseas, or to Mexico. This would just be another one. The $50K/year employee that is now costing a company $60K/year, including health care benefits, would cost that company almost $80K/year.
Representative Bachmann also believes that the best solution would be to totally deregulate the private insurance industry. She believes that will drive costs down. In a way, she's right. It would drive the cost of insurance down. Because only young, relatively healthy people would be able to buy insurance. And after someone got sick, their insurance company could (legally) drop them.
People can believe whatever they want. But I know that employers will have NO reason to pay that much in total compensation, just to keep jobs in America. Better learn to do something else, Yanks. If you're a girl, learn to swing on a pole. If you're a guy, being a suitcase pimp might be your best option. But if you think Toyota is going to pay you $80K/year to assemble Camrys... :rofl:
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