Looks like Obama's health care is going to pass.
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These programs aren't praised because of the money they make or lose. They are praised because they help people. Sadly, most Republicans can't see the value of something that doesn't line their pockets. Fortunately, most Democrats don't think that way.
Ill-Conceived Ranking Makes for Unhealthy Debate - WSJ - OCTOBER 21, 2009
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html
nevertheless...
The above ranking is not an attempt to rank hospitals in quality of care at all.
Their stated objective:
http://hospitals.webometrics.info/about_rank.html
It is a ranking of Web presence and availability of literature
Actually, they passed in of all places Texas and it's worked very well there. And for our math challenged tax-and-spend lefties, a 2% savings is "better" than an estimated 7% annual increase in costs under this bill... and I think that's as LOW estimate.
BTW, if Medicaid is already going broke, how is adding 18 million more poor people to it going to help? :dunno:
Because it has not been signed yet and it is 4 or 5 years away from being implemented .
And a whole lot of people plan on making sone money before it does.
How? You work, you pay income tax. You invest money in a business when it is worth to actually invest and you pay taxes on that. Thing is, that the more unemployed people there are, the less the government collects in income taxes and the less that people invest, the less taxes the government collects in capital gains taxes. The fact that you had to ask the question tells me that you don't really know how the free market works, real capitalism and not croony capitalism. Unlike what you've probably been brainwashed into believing, "investing" is not evil. Investing is what creates jobs and if people are not investing as much, there is not that much job creation.
Thanks for the advice. When this thing comes into effect, I'll take my money out of the bank and I'll go work on my own and charge my clients cash or check.
And to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and everyone of his believers take that 2,700 page bill and SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!! We did not ask for this, we did not want this, we do not need this. We are not grateful for your so called "generosity" even if you think that some of us would somehow benefit from that. I refuse to receive anything that is forcefully taken from my neighbor to give to me and by the same token I will defend what I have and not allow to be taken away from me.
The bottom line is
The Right care about themselves and their own personal bottom line.
The Left are concerned with their fellow Americans.
It's sad really.....
Well be sure to let me know when Pelosi and her ilk donates some of that $100Mill to the downtrodden :tongue:
Nice try. Obama signed it today. Stock market back up. :dunno: I'm not saying that this is going to turn around the economy immediately but the doom and gloom socialist rhetoric needs to stop. There is no socialist element to this reform. It seems very much like ordering people to have auto insurance. I, myself, am not overly impressed with this reform, from what I know of it. It basically coddles and protects the health insurance companies. :dunno: It is actually nothing more than stale, old Republican reform ideas trotted out from 1993.
It is not on the level of introducing Medicare.
Medicare is the scourge of Republicans and Libertarians but its basically a welcomed entitlement program which nobody will vote against. If everyone likes Medicare, why shouldn't that be the basis of nation, gov't operated healthcare for this country?
It seems like Obama will ride out this reform for his 2 terms but "the real work" will need to be done by someone else.:dunno:
Or give up their "special" Congressmen plan to sign up for the same health care they just passed...
Look, there are lots of compassionate people who don't believe it's the Federal governments' place to be a "service provider." The statements above stating that anti-Federalists don't care about other folks is absurd and demonstrably fallacious. The government doesn't do anything very well except kill people, and it's proven that charitable orgs are much more efficient at helping those who need help than the gigantic bureaucracy which is the US government. I for one don't want a fuckin' nanny state run from this cesspool of corruption called Washington, DC, telling us all what to do, how to do it, and oh by the way, wasting and spending all of us into debt-ridden oblivion.
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Speaking of tort reform, isn't it interesting how the "dogmatik" libs were always opposed to a cap on private physician malpractice payouts ? that's right, sue the hell out of any physician who would dare to take up his practice outside of your local county hospital, bait them if you have to, destroy destroy destroy ! Yea, that's right you communist a - holes, doctors have chosen to finance their own education into their thirties so that they can save your ungrateful stanky subsidized ass . . for free ?
Don't think so !
What is the wrong with these people and who shaped their thinking process ? (their single parent, welfare recipient hippy mothers, most likely :1orglaugh)
Spread your anti profit sentiment somewhere else, coms, 'cause last I checked, this is a for profit site !
Speaking of tort reform, isn't it interesting how the "dogmatik" libs were always opposed to a cap on private physician malpractice payouts ? that's right, sue the hell out of any physician who would dare to take up his practice outside of your local county hospital, bait them if you have to, destroy destroy destroy ! Yea, that's right you communist a - holes, doctors have chosen to finance their own education into their thirties so that they can save your ungrateful stanky subsidized ass . . for free ?
Don't think so !
What is the wrong with these people and who shaped their thinking process ? (their single parent, welfare recipient hippy mothers, most likely :1orglaugh)
Spread your anti profit sentiment somewhere else, coms, 'cause last I checked, this is a for profit site !
Any way you put it, the US Gov't is corrupt. Period. I don't care which party is running the show. I stick to my statement that the Liberals are in the best interest for everyone, Republicans included where the Republicans only look out for their own.
A few cases in point.
Republicans are anti abortion because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in abortion, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what a woman in a bad position should do is beyond any acceptable explanation, IMO of course
Republicans are against gay marriage, again, because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in Gay marriage, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what 2 men or 2 women do with their lives are beyond me, again, IMO.
Republicans don't want universal health care because the people they represent either have money in the pharm/insurance companies or ARE
pharm/insurance companies and want to protect their investors. They already have healthcare why should they care about anyone else?
Isn't the U.S. 'By the people, for the people' or is it now 'by the people, for the republicans'?
Why shouldn't everyone have the right to health coverage?
A few cases in point.
Republicans are anti abortion because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in abortion, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what a woman in a bad position should do is beyond any acceptable explanation, IMO of course
Republicans are against gay marriage, again, because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in Gay marriage, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what 2 men or 2 women do with their lives are beyond me, again, IMO.
Republicans don't want universal health care because the people they represent either have money in the pharm/insurance companies or ARE
pharm/insurance companies and want to protect their investors. They already have healthcare why should they care about anyone else?
Isn't the U.S. 'By the people, for the people' or is it now 'by the people, for the republicans'?
Why shouldn't everyone have the right to health coverage?
Any way you put it, the US Gov't is corrupt. Period. I don't care which party is running the show. I stick to my statement that the Liberals are in the best interest for everyone, Republicans included where the Republicans only look out for their own.
A few cases in point.
Republicans are anti abortion because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in abortion, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what a woman in a bad position should do is beyond any acceptable explanation, IMO of course
Republicans are against gay marriage, again, because it goes against their personal beliefs. Though it has no direct effect on them personally, they are against it. You don't believe in Gay marriage, don't get one. Simple. Why an old fart in a suit and tie should have any say what 2 men or 2 women do with their lives are beyond me, again, IMO.
Republicans don't want universal health care because the people they represent either have money in the pharm/insurance companies or ARE
pharm/insurance companies and want to protect their investors. They already have healthcare why should they care about anyone else?
Isn't the U.S. 'By the people, for the people' or is it now 'by the people, for the republicans'?
Why shouldn't everyone have the right to health coverage?
First off, I'm not a "Republican" and I'm not against the right to an abortion and I'm not anti-gay marriage. Here's the problem in a nutshell: Healthcare is NOT a right. Passing a bill by the skin of their teeth doesn't make it so. IF you and other want health care to be a "right", there's a process for that, amend the Constitution. But why won't the Democrats do that the right way? Because they know that the people will not ratify it.
The problem isn't mean ol people like me wanting to deny people anything... the problem is simple economics and basic US Government 101. Why should I pay for my own healthcare and someone else's as well? Is that fair to me? And where is all of this money going to come from? Last time I checked, the US was $12 TRILLION in debt, and counting fast.
The ONLY answer will be to raise taxes to pay for all of this forced charity, and I for one don't think it right to force people to give up their hard earned money from their labor to pay for other people to get things for free, and that money is taken at the point of a gun called the I R S. It's oppression in its most basic form, regardless of your "good intentions." Wrapping it up in nice words and saying it's to "help the people" doesn't negate the fact that they are spending money that isn't theirs, and again, we are BROKE as it is.
Margaret Thatcher said it best, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Yeah, people actually create medical emergencies for themselves, bait unsuspecting doctors into misdiagnosing or mistreating them so they can sue for unlimited judgments.
The reason some oppose caps on things like this is because some are opposed to telling people what their loss is worth before circumstances are appraised.
First off, I'm not a "Republican" and I'm not against the right to an abortion and I'm not anti-gay marriage. Here's the problem in a nutshell: Healthcare is NOT a right. Passing a bill by the skin of their teeth doesn't make it so. IF you and other want health care to be a "right", there's a process for that, amend the Constitution. But why won't the Democrats do that the right way? Because they know that the people will not ratify it.
The problem isn't mean ol people like me wanting to deny people anything... the problem is simple economics and basic US Government 101. Why should I pay for my own healthcare and someone else's as well? Is that fair to me? And where is all of this money going to come from? Last time I checked, the US was $12 TRILLION in debt, and counting fast.
The ONLY answer will be to raise taxes to pay for all of this forced charity, and I for one don't think it right to force people to give up their hard earned money from their labor to pay for other people to get things for free, and that money is taken at the point of a gun called the I R S. It's oppression in its most basic form, regardless of your "good intentions." Wrapping it up in nice words and saying it's to "help the people" doesn't negate the fact that they are spending money that isn't theirs, and again, we are BROKE as it is.
Margaret Thatcher said it best, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
C/S who said basic education was a 'right' (for example)? Yet our society sees it in our interest to ensure it's citizens have a basic education. Who says you have a right to have the g'ment put a fire out in at your house?? Provide you with police protection??
Those circumstances all take your money and provide general services to everyone with it. What's the difference?
The Federal government doesn't teach one kid a year to read... so I'm glad you brought that topic up for discussion
Local cities/counties and private firms educate kids. Washington just throws money at education in the form of grants, and the results after billions wasted by the Department of Education is that kids are doing WORSE now than ever, despite all of the billions upon billions of dollars the Feds have spent in the last 40+ years on "education." Look no further than DC for example, with one of the top 3 expenditures in the nation per student, they rank 51st in achievement. Good job Washington. :thumbsup:The Federal government doesn't teach one kid a year to read... so I'm glad you brought that topic up for discussion
The Feds don't put out one house fire either...it is a general service provided for by a g'ment entity with tax dollars...that would be my point.
Listen, I'm a virtual expert on the military. It doesn't operate efficiently at-fucking-all. But the task is such that I wouldn't want any other entity in charge of doing it but a g'ment.
As much waste, fraud and abuse that can be pointed out in military spending...It would be quadruple that if done privately.
Some things are just logistically difficult to administer but that isn't an argument for not doing them.
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It's never happened ? :1orglaugh and I typed "if you have to"Yeah, people actually create medical emergencies for themselves, bait unsuspecting doctors into misdiagnosing or mistreating them so they can sue for unlimited judgments.
but it's not the primary reason . . .and get real. :2 cents:
So, what are socialists going to now that medical wrongful death(s) coverage only handles the cost of a cremation ? :1orglaugh To whom do you appeal ? Nobody ! But that's OK because, collectively, we will all have no one to appeal to, is that kosher w/ you ?
. . and believe me, there will be wrongful deaths now more than ever, why ? The infusion of incompetent govt physicians and the outright unwillingness of *the government to afford their patients the best, most comprehensive medicine available:
''Sorry Charlie, you're SHIT OUT OF LUCK, we simply can't justify the expense in keeping you alive. Look, you've had 42 years of life already . . . besides it shows here that you're not registered as demokatik !
* damn this sounds creepy !
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