Looks like Obama's health care is going to pass.

[titsrock]

FWIW

http://hospitals.webometrics.info/top1000.asp

Only stands to reasoning that the World's best hospitals would consistently have the best Docs, technology, facilities, etc.
:2 cents:

Again, if you read your own links they relate to statistical results, not quality ranking.

I looked over this list and it seems based on research results and knowledge created (academic journals, studies published, etc.) If hospitals conduct Big Pharma-funded research than it's not surprising we lead the world in Medical research. It's another piece of the "United States subsidizes the World" argument. We put more money, and private companies put more money to research than care for citizens. Other countries spend more money for their citizens to receive care. These other countries then get the research benefits because Big Pharma has to make it's money back somehow. It's better to get some money out of socialized countries than no money. Whatever profit margin needs to be met can occur by inflating the price of treatment for American patients and their private health insurance companies.

For actually ranking global hospitals based on positive outcomes/"success rates"...we probably need another list...:dunno:

We rank #1 on personal bankruptcies due to failure to pay medical bills.

 

[Hot Mega]

I looked over this list and it seems based on research results and knowledge created (academic journals, studies published, etc.) If hospitals conduct Big Pharma-funded research than it's not surprising we lead the world in Medical research.

For actually ranking global hospitals based on positive outcomes/"success rates"...we probably need another list...:dunno:

We rank #1 on personal bankruptcies due to failure to pay medical bills.

What the "academic" refers to is purely objective, measurable criterion. Success rates are not objective as that would rely heavily on the types of illnesses treated for example.

That is to say, if a hospital only treated easily treatable conditions their success rates would be consistently high...that would have no bearing however on things, like their number of internists, types of facilities and technologies available, etc.:2 cents:

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I like the hospitals I see in those documentaries where they come in and start having sex with you...

 

[Baill Inneraora]

How can a bill preventing private industry from letting its customers die when they become unprofitable and providing subsidies for working families to purchase a private business product can be called 'socialism'.

The people calling this bill “socialism” are liars who either knowingly or unknowingly shill for the Insurance Industry who want to keep it just the way it is so they can profit from American citizens misery and death.

 

[mrtrebus]

Good news

 

[titsrock]

I'd like a Fiscal Conservative to explain to me why Wall Street is actually UP today and not 2000 points down with the passage of Healthcare Reform.

You told me this bill would represent the end of America financially. Well, it's the Digital Age...why aren't people cashing out en masse from their Health Stock mutual funds and stocks?

Just askin'...

The people calling this bill “socialism” are liars who either knowingly or unknowingly shill for the Insurance Industry who want to keep it just the way it is so they can profit from American citizens misery and death.

Bingo. :thumbsup:

This reform would be deficit neutral if only we would pair it with an ending of our endless middle east occupations. Those occupations have been and will continue to balloon our deficit...

 

[rjdogma]

How can a bill preventing private industry from letting its customers die when they become unprofitable and providing subsidies for working families to purchase a private business product can be called 'socialism'.

The people calling this bill “socialism” are liars who either knowingly or unknowingly shill for the Insurance Industry who want to keep it just the way it is so they can profit from American citizens misery and death.

Amen, brother.

Let the Fox News fury rage. America wins this time.

 

[om3ga]

Why oh why is healthcare for all considered "Socialized"?

 

[CunningStunts]

There are some good "reforms" in the bill that needed to pass... however, many things bother me about this particular bill and how it was passed.

1) Why try to swallow the elephant in one bite? Many reforms to cut costs and improve the system would have passed easily if they would have put tried and proven measures into a bill first. States have been trying ways to accomplish the same aims for decades, and many have battle-tested ways to cut costs and improve the system. Why not try those FIRST?

2) The manner in which this was done, mostly behind closed doors, needing to bribe Congressmen with pork spending to get enough support to even get it to a close vote. This REALLY bothers me. And the same lefties who whined and moaned about the "evil" Bush White House governing this way, well they are noticeably silent now their guy is on power. Abuses of power are just as bad regardless of whomever is in the White House and we all suffer in the long run from this continued practice!

3) The pandering to the "huddled masses" approached demagoguery yesterday the likes of which I have not seen in a long time... basically pitting the have nots against most people who pay for their own health care and now, everyone who can't afford it as well. I'm sorry, but health care is not a right. And IF it is, then amend the US Constitution to make it so, not by passing a flawed bill in Congress by the skin of it's teeth.

4) The math, it just doesn't add up... their plan to cover many people who have no insurance is to put them on Medicaid, which is already going broke. Add another 18 million people and, well, I'm not a math major but something has got to give. BHO said last year the "reason" we needed the reforms was to save the entire industry from going down the tubes financially, but this plan costs $1 trillion over the next decade. Again, this math is so bad, even I can see through it.

So again, I think there were a lot of good ideas out there that came from different areas in during the last year of spirited debate, some of which are in the bill. But the entire fiasco has left me more cynical and distrusting of all the so-called "leaders" in Washington more than ever. :2 cents:

 

[Mrs Jolly]

David Frum gets this right as far as I am concerned.

For those unfamiliar with him he was a communist hardliner who used to write speeches for the last republican president.

Quote:

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:

A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Article in full.

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

 

[CunningStunts]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go fuck yourselves Republicans/Conservatives/Neo Cons/Old Cons :thefinger

Mr. CmnDwnWrkn, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no rep points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I see our friends from across the Atlantic want us to have the same shifty health care that they have .
:glugglug:

 

[nearlyinvisible]

I was watching CSPAN last night as the Democrats and Republicans made their final statements for or against the health care bill.

Time after time, the Democrats praised Social Security and Medicare as great government achievements.

How great are Social Security and Medicare?? .......THEY ARE BOTH GOING BANKRUPT!

The content of the health care plan will also fail financially.

 

[jod0565]

I like the hospitals I see in those documentaries where they come in and start having sex with you...

I agree.

http://www.hotdoctoradventures.com/

 

[Jack Davenport]

Good news

Sure it is. Because you could probably cross the Atlantic in a paddle boat get treated here and paddle back before you could be seen in that clusterfuck of a system you have over there.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Tort reform would solve a lot of the conundrum that is health care. If it wasn't for all the frivolous lawsuits we'd probably be in a lot better shape. I just have to wonder what all this will mean for our brightest entering the medical field in the future. Could be trouble.

 

[rjdogma]

Tort reform would solve a lot of the conundrum that is health care. If it wasn't for all the frivolous lawsuits we'd probably be in a lot better shape. I just have to wonder what all this will mean for our brightest entering the medical field in the future. Could be trouble.

Tort reform for saving health care is one of the biggest myths.

It is estimated that tort reform would reduce health care costs by only 1-2%.

In places where tort reform has actually been implemented, it has been found that "defensive medicine" is practiced by doctors more as a function of making profits rather than avoiding litigation.

Tort reform in the context of health care costs is the equivalent of education in the context of handgun violence - they both sound nice but the reality doesn't match the words.

 

[Facetious]

These socialist assholes are going to be sending me by way of direct mail, a health care bill for the next 4 - ? years for n-o-t-h-i-n-g in return ? Sorry Charlie, sumthin just don't compute !

Kiss it obama ! :lame::ban:

 

[Facetious]

Does this health care bill outlaw optional cosmetic surgery e.g. boob jobs etc. . . . does anybody know?
How about that guys, you not only have to fund your wife's / gfs improvement surgery, you also have to fund for a vacation. :hammer: Thailand or Budapest ? :1orglaugh


Fuck your progress . . . .Osama !! !!:thefinger :thumbsup:


What happens if a doctor needs a doctor, do they have to wait in line with the rest of us serfs or do they get preferential treatment and advance to the front of the line ?

 

[titsrock]

^
Why are Republicans turning into "Socialist Assholes" by denegrating the Healthcare reform BY COMPLAINING ABOUT MEDICARE CUTS

Facetious if Hellraiser's Neocon schtick "got old" your myopic misguided socialist rhetoric is getting really old now. If we don't have some kind of reform, it will only be a matter of time before healthcare costs price all of us out of having health insurance or you and all of us will file for bankruptcy after the first time we actually need our health insurance for serious medical purposes. You can't live life forever on $10 copays and PRAYING for good health.

Earth to the GOP. You HATE MEDICARE.

Medicare is Universal Healthcare (for some)--it should be the nation's healthplan. We should completely fund it. Yada yada yada....

I look forward to hearing Ron Paul and the Loonytarians begin to float the idea that Medicare is wasteful and should be dismantled. That will win them and the GOP lots and lots of votes this November :thumbsup:

That's what the GOP will try to do, frame reform as "gov't out of control" in order to eliminate Medicare. Good luck with that guys!

I still maintain that ObamaCare is a nice step first step toward real healthcare reform but it's no where near on the scale of establishing Medicare. THAT was real reform.


Still waiting for an answer as to why the Stock Market didn't drop 2000 points today....:crickets::crickets:........