Israeli Attacks Gaza Strip, Killing 200+

Btw, the Gaza Strip is NOT a seperate country. It is, like The West Bank, an Israeli occupied territory.

It is part of Israel.

yet it's Arab members are not considered citizens of the state of Israel. right or wrong, that is where the conflict lies.

The position of Israel is a compromise that allows the Palestinian's to retain national identity and to occupy the territory that was claimed by Israel during the 6 day war. There really is no one right answer, it depends on your POV. Some Zionists believe that Israel has exclusive rights to all of it's territory and doesn't have to cede any of it to Arab occupation. Many Palestinian's (and generally the position of Hamas) believe that Israel has no right to those lands and that they should be given back to the Arabs to create a Palestinian state. And then some Arabs believe that the state of Israel has no claim to any territory in the middles-east and should not exist at all.

One possible solution that has been suggested would be to allow the Palestinian's to become citizens of Israel and to come back to Jerusalem, and also for Israels to go back to Palestine. In other words, for Israel to retain sovereignty of it's regions, but for the population to return to it's occupation before the establishment of the state. This would seem to be the most beneficial and sensible approach for all parties, but I'm just not so sure how well people will be able to let go of their separatist identities and reconcile with the others that they have considered enemies.
 
If you are trying to be funny r4p3, it isn't working. You're just being a troll.

See, this is my problem, whenever anyone says anything critical of Israel you have some people that will automatically jump to accuse you of either being an Anti-Semite or ignorant of history. They can't accept that you just don't agree with thier politics. And then to go so far as to imply that the Palestinians are inhuman is ridiculous. It's that same kind of close-minded ideology that Hamas is guilty of, and the criticism lies in that parallel.

It's always been my position that it is wrong to target non-military civilians in war, no matter who is doing it. In response to the question of what Americans would do if we were in this situation: Most Americans would be against it just like we have and continue to be against the war in Iraq.
ummmm no when you write a fucking essay on how much jews are so poor and unfortunate struggling people BOO HOOO HOO when in reality they are among the most powerful and overrepresented group in the world. and asking a very relevant question like why is he sucking jewish balls(like is he a jew himself? or maybe he has a jewish boyfriend?) is not even as insulting as when he quite pompously and condescendingly stated that the previous posters had no clue about the situation. his whole post was laced with religious bullshit, and religious bullshit can never be used as a justification for anything. in a sane world his post would have warranted him being called a lunatic.
 
Good points in post #41, imo, calpoon.

Unfortunately, Israel will not grant the Palestinians equal status (ie let them vote) because non-Jews would outnumber Jews and they would undoubtedly vote to end Israel in it's present form.

This is why Israel provokes the Palestinians. They want them to remain militant (but not TOO militant) so that they can continue to deny them voting rights.
If the Palestinians used their heads (like the West Bank is) they will NEVER attack Israel. That way eventually world pressure would force Israel to stop suppressing them.

The only way out (imo) is for Israel to grant the Gaza Strip and West Bank seperate country status and, as you suggest, share Jerusalem (or make it an open city).

Either way, the Palestinians HAVE to give up this idea of getting their pre-1948 land back from Israel. Israel is a military powerhouse backed by the U.S.. It ain't gonna happen. Give it up and move on.
 

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ummmm no when you write a fucking essay on how much jews are so poor and unfortunate struggling people BOO HOOO HOO when in reality they are among the most powerful and overrepresented group in the world. and asking a very relevant question like why is he sucking jewish balls(like is he a jew himself? or maybe he has a jewish boyfriend?) is not even as insulting as when he quite pompously and condescendingly stated that the previous posters had no clue about the situation. his whole post was laced with religious bullshit, and religious bullshit can never be used as a justification for anything. in a sane world his post would have warranted him being called a lunatic.
What is your problem with Jews, care to elaborate? Shut the fuck up already:mad: What can you do aside using 15 years old bullshit insults? Nothing and you are adding nothing useful to the conversation and I am fucking tired of it. Enough is enough. If you don't have something useful or helpful instead of babbling useless childish crap then move the fuck on.
 
Either way, the Palestinians HAVE to give up this idea of getting their pre-1948 land back from Israel. Israel is a military powerhouse backed by the U.S.. It ain't gonna happen. Give it up and move on.

I agree. It's important to try to overcome historical injustice, but when it outweighs the practical concerns of people living in modern times, then it can become destructive. Which is to say, like it or not, Israel exists and we need to accept that as the starting point for figuring what to do now.

and as for you r4, I disagreed with him too, but I addressed his points with my alternative one's, and not resorted to childish name calling. I think that Georges pretty much speaks for everyone there.
 
What is your problem with Jews, care to elaborate? Shut the fuck up already:mad: What can you do aside using 15 years old bullshit insults? Nothing and you are adding nothing useful to the conversation and I am fucking tired of it. Enough is enough. If you don't have something useful or helpful instead of babbling useless childish crap then move the fuck on.

With respect georges, I didn't get the impression he was insulting Jews (though I could be wrong).

I got the impression he didn't like the way Philbert was attacking the Palestinians and that these attacks seemed to stem from a very pro-Jewish bias that was potentially clouding Philbert's judgement.

Though he did state this rather too 'colorfully'.;)
 
What is your problem with Jews, care to elaborate? Shut the fuck up already:mad: What can you do aside using 15 years old bullshit insults? Nothing and you are adding nothing useful to the conversation and I am fucking tired of it. Enough is enough. If you don't have something useful or helpful instead of babbling useless childish crap then move the fuck on.

i am sorry for not using "mature" language. im sorry im not speaking "intellectual" enough for your tastes. :bowdown:

Well...another massive waste of bandwidth.
The previous posters have shown once again that the old truism about opinions and a-holes holds true.
Neither of the previous posters has a clue about the situation in Israel, and if you hit them a few times they would probably scream bloody murder and throw their shoes at you...or something vicious like that.
Israel has been resident in the area for over 3,000 years...slaughtered, dispersed, beat down...
more jewish crybaby whinging
but never defeated.
more jewish worship
Jews, as a religion, are as diverse as any other group.
shit nobody cares about
But as a people...they are tough,
more jewish worship
devoted to family and principles, and believe in God.
more shit nobody cares about. fuck god. why did they choose such a shitty place to reside in? and again religious bullshit is no justification.

Your lack of faith and lack of religious awareness is not really important, millions have seen the way to reconcile the Diety thing and real life, and have found a path that works for most people.
also known as crazy people.
The fact that thousands returned to a virtual wasteland after surviving the Nazi extermination effort, a land known to the few locals living there as the Cursed Land, begin to rebuild the one place Jews have always called home
more shit nobody cares about and stop the holocaust whining
, and were subsequently attacked by the combined armies of three large Arab countries, seems to have escaped your notice. Young teens, women, and the few men left after the Holocaust, fought back and survived.
well that has to be the most biased fucking thing i've ever heard. you cannot stroll into someone's turf and whine and bitch when you get attacked. and just because it says it in some fairy tale book doesn't mean it is your land.
Nearly 60 years later, the Arab countries have kept the Palestinians isolated and desperate, pointed at Israel as their latest weapon. Day after day, rockets and mortars shot into Israeli communities aimed directly at civilian populations. From a territory returned to Palestinian control to further the peace effort used only to continue to attack Israel.
And you guys equate Israel with the fake, made up group known as "Palestinians", easily making completely misinformed "religious wars" statements; religion is what it is, many forms are out there; the war in the Middle East is a cultural/political one, religion is just one weapon used by the Islamic Radicals to keep the momentum going. Israel doesn't claim Judaism requires the blood of Muslims or Christians, or Bhuddists, or puppy dogs...that's dogma used by the Islamic culture.
ok so you are pro-judaism and anti-islamic, fine.
Every year for many many generations, millions of Jews ended their Passover prayers with the phrase "Next Year in Jerusalem";
more shit nobody cares about. how is this relevant and who gives a shit? another piece of religious bullshit.
these Jews were in Ghettos, extermination camps,
enough holocaust whining it gets on everyone's nerves. most jews nowadays were nveer victims of the holocaust so shut hte fuck up about it. plus the holocaust happened a long time ago and i'm sick of movies coming out about it from jewish hollywood but yeah i fuckign get it you had a hard time. anne frank can suck my balls. it is like black people who weren't even born before 1980 complaining about being slaves for hundreds of years
nice homes in New York, or wherever they found themselves living. Israel is not just a place they ended up living in, it has been and always will be, their home.
Most Palestinians are originally Jordanians, and have no history in the region beyond the small population that was there in the '30s and '40s.
i dont support either side, but i don't like the whining of a people who chose and defend their grandparents or parents decisions which led to this.

Some actual history of the area.
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=86[/quote]
 

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1)i am sorry for not using "mature" language. im sorry im not speaking "intellectual" enough for your tastes. :bowdown:

2)more jewish crybaby whingingmore jewish worshipshit nobody cares aboutmore jewish worship
more shit nobody cares about. fuck god. why did they choose such a shitty place to reside in? and again religious bullshit is no justification.

3)also known as crazy people. more shit nobody cares about and stop the holocaust whiningwell that has to be the most biased fucking thing i've ever heard. you cannot stroll into someone's turf and whine and bitch when you get attacked. and just because it says it in some fairy tale book doesn't mean it is your land.
ok so you are pro-judaism and anti-islamic, fine.more shit nobody cares about. how is this relevant and who gives a shit? another piece of religious bullshit.enough holocaust whining it gets on everyone's nerves. most jews nowadays were nveer victims of the holocaust so shut hte fuck up about it. plus the holocaust happened a long time ago and i'm sick of movies coming out about it from jewish hollywood but yeah i fuckign get it you had a hard time. anne frank can suck my balls. it is like black people who weren't even born before 1980 complaining about being slaves for hundreds of years i dont support either side, but i don't like the whining of a people who chose and defend their grandparents or parents decisions which led to this.

1) It is not my fault if you are such a pathetic and miserable useless piece of stinky garbage. You can't use your brain properly therefore you need to sort out your aggressiveness and blame everyone who is defending a respectable cause.

2) The fact that Israel is perhaps the only sole Democracy in the middle east with some of the most clever people and some of the nicest girls bothers you obviously.

3) you never visited Auschwitz, you will never know what some people and their grandparents endured during WWII. Palestinians never existed and they are a result from migrants of various Arab countries. The one who gets on everybody's nerves and trolls the fuck out of the thread is you:ban::mad:
You like to point out that Jews are bad but you are a dumb ass. Just because Jews are successful, you make a big fucking deal about it. Seriously how fucking moronic can you be. Just because some of Hollywood's realizators and producers are from Jewish origin, you get mad about it. I mean how can one be so much filled of shit and hatred against Jews like you? You hadn't learned tolerance, hadn't ya?

I will tell you one good thing, I am pretty sure you know what happens to dog shit like you, it can be blown in the wind or scrapped from the ground with a shovel, careful where the dog shits ya.
 
Wouldn't it be better to close this thread? It can only escelate into even more name calling and insults.

Cassie.
 
1) It is not my fault if you are such a pathetic and miserable useless piece of stinky garbage.
hahaha now you resort to personal insults and you call me pathetic[/quote]
You can't use your brain properly
wow you insult my intelligence that makes you look smarter!!!!:thumbsup:
therefore you need to sort out your aggressiveness and blame everyone who is defending a respectable cause.
which has nothing to do with what you said was 1), because the way you say something does not chagne the content of it. oh yeah nad you are a really awful psychologist.

2) The fact that Israel is perhaps the only sole Democracy in the middle east with some of the most clever people and some of the nicest girls bothers you obviously.
hahahahah that had nothing to do with 2) i took your points and noted how bullshit and religious they were, and all you could come up with was "you are bothered by how great israel is". pathetic.

3) you never visited Auschwitz, you will never know what some people and their grandparents endured during WWII.
countless atrocities have happened throughout history and none have ever produced as much crying as the holocaust. how bad the holocaust was is irrelevent to my points and counts as more whining.

Palestinians never existed and they are a result from migrants of various Arab countries. The one who gets on everybody's nerves and trolls the fuck out of the thread is you:ban::mad:
great anyone you disagree with and don't like whine and bitch and scream "ban him" like a little spoiled child. i'm not the one writing a post almost entirely composed of name calling.
You like to point out that Jews are bad but you are a dumb ass.
more lies followed by a personal insult, i marvel at how much more intelligent you are by how you can do that:bowdown:
Just because Jews are successful, you make a big fucking deal about it.
lol how pathetic. i never even said they were successful you just put that in there so you could brag about it. more putting words into my mouth and befoer you say something retarded, no, talking about their powerful presence in us politics is not relevant to what you said.
Seriously how fucking moronic can you be.
passive-aggressive insult now.
Just because some of Hollywood's realizators and producers are from Jewish origin, you get mad about it.
total lie based on nothing, stop putting words into people's mouths. i said i was sick of the sob-stories. the fact that you had to take one tiny thing like this and make it look like something else shows your sneakiness and deceit.
I mean how can one be so much filled of shit and hatred against Jews like you? You hadn't learned tolerance, hadn't ya?
you can't come up with anything but bullshit about me.

I will tell you one good thing, I am pretty sure you know what happens to dog shit like you, it can be blown in the wind or scrapped from the ground with a shovel, careful where the dog shits ya.
yet more really really bad insults.

Of course, we're talking about someone with a dysfunctional penis http://board.freeones.com/showpost.p...46&postcount=1 who gets turned on by sniffing farts http://board.freeones.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=25, so it's no wonder he's got other issues.
yes and i also like scat sex and watersports and women getting fucked by horses. that has nothing to do with the thread and shows how desperate you are in this discussion.
 
yes and i also like scat sex and watersports and women getting fucked by horses. that has nothing to do with the thread and shows how desperate you are in this discussion.

A perfect poster boy for The Aryan Nation :rofl2:
 
where are the mods when you need them?
 

georges

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1) hahaha now you resort to personal insults and you call me pathetic wow you insult my intelligence that makes you look smarter!!!!:thumbsup:which has nothing to do with what you said was 1), because the way you say something does not chagne the content of it. oh yeah nad you are a really awful psychologist.

2) hahahahah that had nothing to do with 2) i took your points and noted how bullshit and religious they were, and all you could come up with was "you are bothered by how great israel is". pathetic.

3) countless atrocities have happened throughout history and none have ever produced as much crying as the holocaust. how bad the holocaust was is irrelevent to my points and counts as more whining.

4) great anyone you disagree with and don't like whine and bitch and scream "ban him" like a little spoiled child. i'm not the one writing a post almost entirely composed of name calling.
more lies followed by a personal insult, i marvel at how much more intelligent you are by how you can do that:bowdown: lol how pathetic. i never even said they were successful you just put that in there so you could brag about it. more putting words into my mouth and befoer you say something retarded, no, talking about their powerful presence in us politics is not relevant to what you said.passive-aggressive insult now. total lie based on nothing, stop putting words into people's mouths. i said i was sick of the sob-stories. the fact that you had to take one tiny thing like this and make it look like something else shows your sneakiness and deceit.you can't come up with anything but bullshit about me.

5) yet more really really bad insults.

6) yes and i also like scat sex and watersports and women getting fucked by horses. that has nothing to do with the thread and shows how desperate you are in this discussion.

1) You have no intelligence, remember that. You are an utter piece of mediocrity and it has been seen in several threads so don't start thinking that you are an intelligent when you aren't. I am not a psychologist first and second, learn to type and use proper spelling because it makes you an illiterate tool.

2) what the fuck have my points do with religion? can you fill me in? The fact that you were lacking proper arguments, showed you are inability to answer my statement and therefore to have a valid answer. Thank you for proving that you are a raging idiot.

3) Name me other events that made 6 millions of dead aside the holocaust? And I want valid proofs no childish bullshit. Your points are senseless and are absolutely not constructive nor helping the discussion.

4) I am far to be spoiled and far to be a little child. But you have gone way too far and you have to be stopped with your endless trolling. You know nothing about me, so before making bs statements on my case, know who I am and then you will be able to open your dirty fucking mouth. We haven't educated pigs together, so be careful at what you are implying or meaning when you don't know me personally. l am not putting words into people's mouth, I am simply depicting the reality and you can't handle the truth because you are so weakminded that it hurts. You called other people names by using this statement :"i said i was sick of the sob-stories." Everyone is sick of you and your pathetic arguments that are wasting bandwidth and not contributive to anything.
You said this about me "the fact that you had to take one tiny thing like this and make it look like something else shows your sneakiness and deceit". I am not sneaky, I just used your own words against you and you were not prepared to it, when I have to say something, I always say it in a straightforward way.
You have said: "you can't come up with anything but bullshit about me". Yes, we can come up with something about the fact that you have several issues and that your threads started recently showed and show your mental instability.

5) You will be said something by another person in another form but I had to say something that was seriously well adapted to your case.

6)You just proved your insanity, thanks for proving that I am right again.
 
i believe that palestinians were there first and that israelis should live in peace with the palestinians instead of killing them. Palestinians are retaliating because the israelis invaded their country unlawfully.
 
1) You have no intelligence, remember that. You are an utter piece of mediocrity and it has been seen in several threads so don't start thinking that you are an intelligent when you aren't. I am not a psychologist first and second, learn to type and use proper spelling because it makes you an illiterate tool.
again you avoid my point and actually prove me right. the way i say something makes no differenc.e and yes you obviously don't understand sarcasm. you tried what is called armchair psychology and you failed.
therefore you need to sort out your aggressiveness and blame everyone who is defending a respectable cause.

2) what the fuck have my points do with religion? can you fill me in? The fact that you were lacking proper arguments, showed you are inability to answer my statement and therefore to have a valid answer.
wtf? now you are just being silly. i already went through all the religious bullshit you said in your pathetic post. the fact that you deny this and resorted to insults shows you lack proper arguments and as you say "inability to answer my statement and therefore to have a valid answer."
Thank you for proving that you are a raging idiot.
thank you for proving you feel defeated you resort to more childish insults.

3) Name me other events that made 6 millions of dead aside the holocaust? And I want valid proofs no childish bullshit.
lol? http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/di... them both killing in the dozens of millions. and i guess by childish bullshit you mean holocaust revisionism. and by the way judging from your previous asinine posts you are in no position to demand "valid proofs" but that is what i like to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM

Your points are senseless and are absolutely not constructive nor helping the discussion.
meaningless garbage.

4) I am far to be spoiled and far to be a little child. But you have gone way too far and you have to be stopped with your endless trolling.
you are spoiled because you see something you don't like you scream "BAN" and yes that is very childish.
You know nothing about me,
yes, i am not allowed to make inferences about you based on the biased garbage you spew and you are as i quoted earlier :bowdown: you are the master of everything and you can do whatever you want.
so before making bs statements on my case, know who I am and then you will be able to open your dirty fucking mouth.
hhahaahahahah that is the most ironic thing i have ever heard coming from you.

We haven't educated pigs together, so be careful at what you are implying or meaning when you don't know me personally.
wow you are starting to really scare me with this "be careful" language you BIG SCARY MAN lol
l am not putting words into people's mouth, I am simply depicting the reality and you can't handle the truth because you are so weakminded that it hurts.
more pointless insults and bullshit and i'm not the one who cried like a bitch after i pwned your religious based horseshit.

this has to be the best part of your epic fail post:

You called other people names by using this statement :"i said i was sick of the sob-stories."
hahahah you thralled through everything i said(don't deny it) and all you could find that came close to "called other people names" was that? hahahah yet another example of you making a point and not backing it up.

here, i will try myself since you have failed. here is some of your name calling:

illiterate tool, dumbass, utter piece of mediocrity, raging idiot, useless piece of stinky garbage, etc. etc. just some of the ad-homineum insults i found from you. and yet all you could come up with was "i said i was sick of the sob stories".

Everyone is sick of you and your pathetic arguments that are wasting bandwidth and not contributive to anything.
again more hot air.
You said this about me "the fact that you had to take one tiny thing like this and make it look like something else shows your sneakiness and deceit". I am not sneaky, I just used your own words against you and you were not prepared to it, when I have to say something, I always say it in a straightforward way.
nice try but it is too hard for you to get out of that one. you tried to use words and twist them into something else for your benefit in the argument and you failed miserably because i exposed you. you were not prepared for this so you lied some more just there.

but hey that's just me i do things in a straightforward way.


You have said: "you can't come up with anything but bullshit about me". Yes, we can come up with something about the fact that you have several issues and that your threads started recently showed and show your mental instability.
if a crazy lunatic from a mental asylum says that the earth is round and grass is green is he wrong because of. no because what he is is nothing to do with the point he is making. that is why you are the one who started the childish name calling and i wasn't, because i understand this and you don't. well there goes your argument out the window doesn't it. pwned yet again.

5) You will be said something by another person in another form but I had to say something that was seriously well adapted to your case.

6)You just proved your insanity, thanks for proving that I am right again.
already destroyed this argument
 
After reading this entire post. I doubt many of you have really ever analyzed the conflict. And the posting of the Wikipedia articles backs my point up.


The only thing I will say about this issue here is this.

Israel has denied them with resources (even basic medicals needs) for years. And people wonder why the Palestinians have resorted to militant groups. They have very little opportunities, very little hope, they are extremely poor..
They have to have other options..

And if you look at the casualty numbers on both sides. Israel is slaughtering them, On this strike and in the conflict in general.

Invading Gaza will not do any good, It will not end the violence and it will just lead to more. If you don't see why im saying this, you haven't looked at the history of the conflict.
There are so many internal conflicts on both sides to really put a end to this issue. It has paralyzed both sides ability to reach a productive peaceful settlement. That's why militant and fanatical groups from both sides have increased the violence.

This issue is so complex, with negatives and deep hate on both sides, to really even start to get into here. And none of you have even scratched the surface.

And calling the Palestinians animals is disgusting...and unnecessary rhetoric. This is the kinda crap that is completely negative and explains why this crap is still going on.
 
“You think the Palestinians invented bloodshed? How do you think we got the land, by being nice?”

-Munich (Steven Spielberg Film, 2005)
 
I doubt either of the sides really want peace. This cycle of violence will just continue..

And last but not least, I dont really support either side. But I do think Israel has been VERY excessive with their force and their rule of the Palestinian people.
 
"Israel has denied them with resources (even basic medicals needs) for years."

Yet Hamas has managed to build a LOT of rockets and launch them at Israel ... last count was 3,000 in the past year, I think. That's nearly 10 per day. Just think if these savages redirected those efforts at building a peaceful future for themselves? Medical facilities, farms, housing, etc ... :)

" ... they are extremely poor ... they have to have other options..."

They do. It's called building business, housing and other infrastructure to better their lives ... but they are a sick, death-cult of a people who exist only to hate and destroy. If the attacks ceased, the retaliation would cease. The Israelis never attack out of boredom and pure hatred ... but Hamas does everyday.

"That's why militant and fanatical groups from both sides have increased the violence.

The lastest round of violence started when Hamas (elected overwhelmingly by the Palestinians) violated the negotiated cease-fire and started launching rockets at the Israeli population.

"This issue is so complex, with negatives and deep hate on both sides, to really even start to get into here. And none of you have even scratched the surface."

Thank you ... Your condescension is very much appreciated. :hatsoff:

"And calling the Palestinians 'animals' is disgusting ... and unnecessary rhetoric. This is the kinda crap that is completely negative and explains why this crap is still going on."

No. This kind of crap is going on because the Palestinians are acting like animals ... they are perpetually violent. Actually, using that word is an insult to animals like domesticated pets which are actually able to behave themselves most of the time.

When the Palestinians start acting civilized my 'unnecessary rhetoric' will cease. Sorry ... but I just call 'em like I see 'em. :wave:
 
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