Israeli Attacks Gaza Strip, Killing 200+

Re: Not surprising ...

  • So are you saying that the U.S. was right after all about Iraq WMD?
(btw the U.S wasn't alone on believing this)
I'm saying go back to the '90s, especially where various countries were blocking Security Council actions, only to be caught in their own, special interests after they were found.

It happened more than once. ;)
 

georges

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1) Hamas doesn't kill or break Palestinian, Syrian, Iranian, Iraqi arms. Stop trying to make them see like the mighty evil of the middle east when all of that area are against Israel. You have 10 guys and all hate one guy, the US has sided with that one guy based on pity...perfect analogy for Israel.

5) Phil, you're in Texas, right? If the Mexicans invaded Texas and won, taking back that entire state and trying to kill you, your friends etc...I'm sure you'd just let them take it and move...right?...right?

1) Oh really? :scream::rolleyes:The HAMAS is using Palestinian people as human shield and threatens the Palestinians if they are not supporting it. The HAMAS has lots of bloodshed on its hands. Hamas isn't a party representative of democracy but what they represent is radical Islamism and terrorism. And I alredy know that you are gonna moan and bitch about the fact that Hezbollah has been bombed too. You affirmed that Israel bombed the UN people in UN's basements in the Lebanon war in 2006 but guess who was hiding in there ? Certainly not UN people, but Hezbollah terrorists.
The US has sided with the sole democracy which is able to share its interests as well as the interests of Western European democracies.

5) Texans wouldn't let it happen and like their motto states says:"don't mess with Texas", they would do all the best to stop the invaders right at the borders. Texas has several military bases and Texans are well armed people, so I wouldn't worry because Texas and Texans first had and have a ruthlessness against criminals and second because most of them are pro death penalty and pro guns (which is a very good point).
 

georges

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Ok now time for me to chime in more on the subject. Some people have a tendency to victimize systematically Palestinians and those are the very same people who always thought and affirmed that Palestinians were a population that was already existing but it wasn't and it isn't the case. In fact Palestinians were and still are migrants from Arab countries like Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Iran and Iraq but they were never a clearly established population. Palestinians supported Arafat and his terrorist government during over 30 years, something that the poor Palestinians defenders seem always to forget. Arafat ordered the fplp and its various groups to kill the Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972 and organize black September. Arafat was also indirectly involved in leading attacks against Israel in the 80's and 90's with the first and the second intifadas. When Arafat died, Palestinians accused Israel for his death. Arafat stole money that was given as financial helps to the Palestinians by the UN, yes it is the fucking UN who gave money to the Palestinian authority. Palestinians elected Mamoud Habbas from the Fatah, he was and is still threatened by the Hamas if he tries to be the mediator of the Palestinians. Is it possible to have peace with a countries which two leading parties that kill themselves each others and even kill their own citizens? My answer as a reasoned and logic person will be no, you can't deal with a country where there is an unstable government, it is impossible.
For what concerns the Hezbollah and the Hamas, it is clearly obvious that Ahmadinejahd backs them up, who military trains them in Iran and who also finances them.
The friend of a terrorist is a terrorist, sorry but that is true. Peace is not expectable with a terrorist, until the terrorist is dead.
Those are my honest thoughts and they haven't changed much since there has been many threads on the Israelo Palestinian conflict.
 
Death toll so far:

Palestinians killed - 765

Israeli's killed - 13 (10 soldiers, 4 by friendly fire)

And, once again, the (estimated) number of Israeli's killed by Hamas rocket attacks since 2001 - 17.


By the way, 44.7% of Gazans are 14 and under (according to the CIA).
 
where are, davey99? no matter.. If, let call them lunatics started to blow-up buses, shops in your area, and launch several rockets almost every day hoping to kill you and members of your family, would you say to them: "OK, lunatics. We gonna quit. This is my house, I build it... And I was born here, but fuck it. You are so determined and rightful, that I want to give it to you. Also there is a small farm, which I was cultivating with my dad, whom you had recently killed, so you can take it too. And use it. Kisses and ciao!" Would you? would you? :2 cents:

You sound like your taking the point of view of the Palestinians.
 
1) Oh really? :scream::rolleyes:The HAMAS is using Palestinian people as human shield and threatens the Palestinians if they are not supporting it. The HAMAS has lots of bloodshed on its hands. Hamas isn't a party representative of democracy but what they represent is radical Islamism and terrorism. And I alredy know that you are gonna moan and bitch about the fact that Hezbollah has been bombed too. You affirmed that Israel bombed the UN people in UN's basements in the Lebanon war in 2006 but guess who was hiding in there ? Certainly not UN people, but Hezbollah terrorists.
The US has sided with the sole democracy which is able to share its interests as well as the interests of Western European democracies.

5) Texans wouldn't let it happen and like their motto states says:"don't mess with Texas", they would do all the best to stop the invaders right at the borders. Texas has several military bases and Texans are well armed people, so I wouldn't worry because Texas and Texans first had and have a ruthlessness against criminals and second because most of them are pro death penalty and pro guns (which is a very good point).


1) From all the deaths, a handful are Hamas from the 600, explain that? Shitty aim? Or clueless as what Israel is doing? Terror is it's own way.

5) You proved my point. That's the same view the Palestinians have about there land being taken by Israel.
 
Do you try and get everything as wrong and backwards as possible?
Or are you just "Special"?

:rolleyes:

Backwards? I think your cowboy hats on to tight. But then again, from your posts I can see you believe anything that is fed to you by people that look like you.

And to answer your second question, no I'm not Christian.

It's also amusing that all of you ignored the fact Israel kept bombing UN staff and it's aid centers during this crap...but I'm sure that's okay with all of you since it's Israel:rolleyes:
 

Philbert

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Backwards? I think your cowboy hats on to tight. But then again, from your posts I can see you believe anything that is fed to you by people that look like you.
And to answer your second question, no I'm not Christian.

It's also amusing that all of you ignored the fact Israel kept bombing UN staff and it's aid centers during this crap...but I'm sure that's okay with all of you since it's Israel:rolleyes:

I asked before...I'll type slowly this time...who looks like me?
And what question are you refering to?
Trust me on this...I don't take you seriously, you're such a perfect clown; and if I was to ask you a question it would be on the order of "Do you wear a foil cap", or something along those lines. (Like who looks like me...since obviously you have no idea what I look like.)

Not a Christian? I knew it! A Hebrew in denial! 'Cause you sure as hell ain't a Budhist.:rofl:
 
I asked before...I'll type slowly this time...who looks like me?
And what question are you refering to?
Trust me on this...I don't take you seriously, you're such a perfect clown; and if I was to ask you a question it would be on the order of "Do you wear a foil cap", or something along those lines. (Like who looks like me...since obviously you have no idea what I look like.)

Not a Christian? I knew it! A Hebrew in denial! 'Cause you sure as hell ain't a Budhist.:rofl:

I don't take you seriously either, you're a joke to democracy as you see war and killing civilians to get a few "bad guys" is the key to peace. I'm a clown? Your posts are laughable to the extent that I'm surprised you can even use a computer.

Do I wear a tin foil hat? No, it's that I don't let the media control my view on the world, I don't get spoon fed by what White America says. (You most likely with your attitude voted against Obama)

Hebrew denial? I'm Atheist, religion causes wars with this "my god can beat the shit out of your god" message the people spread. Like I said before, people like you are spoon fed what to believe and you stuff your faces with it without any second thought as to what you eat. Now shut your mouth because all I can smell is the bullshit that you've been fed.
 

ChefChiTown

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The friend of a terrorist is a terrorist, sorry but that is true.

So...

If I'm friends with a murderer, am I a murderer?
If I'm friends with a rapist, am I a rapist?
If I'm friends with an arsonist, am I an arsonist?
If I'm friends with a thief, am I a thief?
If I'm friends with a racist, am I a racist?
If I'm friends with...

That makes no sense.
 
"Do you wear a foil cap", or something along those lines.
:

Also, you seem to say this a lot to me. Yet, when I referred to Israel taking Palestinian land, you called that a myth...which is laughable because it's known fact and proven to you here by Ceska.

You see, what you didn't do...was simple, you didn't read or research, the bullshit fed to you is what you believed. Explains a lot about yourself, which is why I can't take you seriously, your opinion, comments or posts.
 
Now an Israeli soldier has killed a UN truck driver. And again Israel can do whatever they want and however they please, noone dares to say a single word, especially the US. This US American war on terror has grown into a complete farce.

Wanna know why they caught Saddam and not Bin Laden? Saddam wasn't the number one bad ass and head of the axis of evil, it is Bin Laden. And if he is dead, the war on terror will decrease too much, so there would not be plenty to do for the US war machine. Same can be applied on Israel having nuclear weapons and on Israel invading Lebanon and now the Gaza strip, killing hundreds of innocent (read my lips: I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T) people, because if Israel would play it cool and more diplomatic, the US would loose far too much ground with its own people and the propaganda of the war on terror would take a serious hit.

But all that doesn't make me feel ANY sympathy for Islamic extremists like the Hamas or Hezbollah or Al-Quaida, because terroristic organizations like those are as guilty of what's going on right now as is the state of Israel.

As I might have hinted in my previous post, I think this conflict cannot be solved until the arrival of a great war, maybe World War III. I can't possibly know if this is what will happen, but something will, that I am sure of. There's so much hate involved on both sides, Israeli and Islamic people of Palestine, passed down from generations, that this whole situation will explode some day into a greater war. And I'm not talking about Israel against terroristic groups, but Israel and the US fighting against arabic countries like Syria, Iran, Yemen, Libya or Lebanon. Of course there's arabic countries which I believe would never partake in such actions, like Egypt, Jordan, UAE and many others, but there's also those who can be called 'swing countries' where such forces could easily rise to the top and people are willing to go to war against Israel and the US.

I'm not predicting anything, it's just my take on the whole situation. I'm only saying this great war could come in the distant future. Right now there's still enough people who believe in solving this situation peacefully. But I think this is not possible and at some point in time the only exit will be a war.
 
Death toll so far:

Palestinians killed - 765

Israeli's killed - 13 (10 soldiers, 4 by friendly fire)

And, once again, the (estimated) number of Israeli's killed by Hamas rocket attacks since 2001 - 17.


By the way, 44.7% of Gazans are 14 and under (according to the CIA).

Thanks for pointing this out.
 
I find it difficult to believe ...

Now an Israeli soldier has killed a UN truck driver. And again Israel can do whatever they want and however they please, noone dares to say a single word, especially the US. This US American war on terror has grown into a complete farce.
I find it difficult to believe that Israel would be purposely attacking UN installations. It's not only far more realistic to believe, but backed by video, that it's standard procedure for Hamas to use various installations for cover.

The question then becomes why Israel still strikes them when they are using such installations for cover, which is far more complex. Don't demonize what they do, honestly question. Right now you're just spewing rhetoric, instead of asking the hard questions.

Even the US follows Rules of Engagement that allows them to attack terrorists in sacred buildings, near civilian populations, etc... The rules exist to minimize civilian casualties, even as terrorists choose to use such locations and innocents for cover. So, again, question what Israel's Rules of Engagement are, not merely the results.

Wanna know why they caught Saddam and not Bin Laden? Saddam wasn't the number one bad ass and head of the axis of evil, it is Bin Laden. And if he is dead, the war on terror will decrease too much, so there would not be plenty to do for the US war machine.
Oh give me a break!

It had far, far more to do with where Bin Laden could hide in-country (or even out of it) versus Saddam.

Same can be applied on Israel having nuclear weapons
I don't think there is much the US could do about that, and it had far more to do with a couple of other countries than the US.

and on Israel invading Lebanon and now the Gaza strip, killing hundreds of innocent (read my lips: I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T) people, because if Israel would play it cool and more diplomatic, the US would loose far too much ground with its own people and the propaganda of the war on terror would take a serious hit.
No offense, but your continued, single finger pointing at Israel -- including on Lebanon -- is getting old. There are other states involved here that aren't so innocent. In fact, Israel has hardly been the cause for the instability with the free, Democratic government in Lebanon. To have any credibility, you should actually stop making this a completely 1-sided amount of rhetoric.

But all that doesn't make me feel ANY sympathy for Islamic extremists like the Hamas or Hezbollah or Al-Quaida, because terroristic organizations like those are as guilty of what's going on right now as is the state of Israel.
No, it's worse. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc... are stateless organizations, with no responsibility and have shown they care none for many people.

In the case of Hezbollah, they actually follow somewhat of a psuedo-state approach, kinda like Castro did before he gained full control. I.e., you destroy infrastructure then provide it, so people thank you. But Hezbolla is not a recognized state, only an affiliation some representatives make. But in that case, one could argue then -- as some representatives of a government -- the entire state is then guilty of terrorism.

Which brings me back to your blame of Israel.

In the case of Hamas, it's similar, except they are completely bankrupt because of their own actions. Everyone has repeatedly stated that requirements for Hamas and the Palestine state to get extensive assistance, and they continue to wish to not accept it. The terms are fairly realistic, yet they choose to continue in this matter. Much like Hezbolla, representatives continue to wish to be a state, but associate with the same individuals who commit terrorist acts.

I know a lot of people try to draw comparisons of the US insurgency against Britain in the foundation of the American nation, but that did not include targetting and using civilians as shields -- let alone advocate such. It's a key and crucial difference.

And I'm not talking about Israel against terroristic groups, but Israel and the US fighting against arabic countries like Syria, Iran, Yemen, Libya or Lebanon.
Lebanon is an interesting discussion. As a self-governing democracy, it is a threat to many organizations in the Arabic world.

As far as Libya, they've "changed their ways." In fact, Libya is a great example of the completely simple and straight forward things that any nation can easily do to find itself accepted by the world.

Of course there's arabic countries which I believe would never partake in such actions, like Egypt, Jordan, UAE and many others, but there's also those who can be called 'swing countries' where such forces could easily rise to the top and people are willing to go to war against Israel and the US.
Actually, Egypt's change is due largely to the US under the Carter administration, getting them to recognize Israel. I'll always praise and credit Carter for doing that.

I'm not predicting anything, it's just my take on the whole situation. I'm only saying this great war could come in the distant future. Right now there's still enough people who believe in solving this situation peacefully. But I think this is not possible and at some point in time the only exit will be a war.
I think you're views on Israel are very 1-sided.

The only thing I will agree to is that the state of Israel, founded on Jewish views to protect the Jewish people, doesn't give a shit what the world thinks if they feel threatened and that the continued political grandstanding will produce nothing. I think Hamas has proven that the only time they stop fighting is when they run out of rockets and the reason why they restart the fighting is when they re-stockpile enough.

That's why Israel and the US refuse to agree to anything that doesn't prevent future smuggling of weapons. The US has honestly had it with Iran, even if some weapons suppliers in the EU have not, and their governments look the other way. It's a continuing issue that the US also had with several EU nations back in the '90s as well. I find it completely hypocritical when EU citizens point to the US in the '80s on Iraq, but ignore their own country's policies on Iraq in the '80s.

If countries would provide a united front on the actions of states, we'd have a lot less wars and a lot less innocents dying. Until then, because of the lack of united fronts, countries can play games and dupe others.
 
And a belated thank you to timbo666 for posting that article.

From what I read of it; I strongly agree with it (with respect to Israeli citizens).

As I have said, I have no problem with 'ordinary' Israeli's. Not at all.

But I have a huge problem with many of their politicians/strategists.

Just as I have a problem with Hamas leaders. Though somewhat less so then with Israeli head honcho's.
 
btw, what I meant above was that I strongly agree with the article timbo666 posted and by doing so I mean no disrespect to 'normal' Israeli citizens (as opposed to their leaders).
 
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