habo9
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So your not calling the woman a murderer , then it isnt murder? So its acceptable sometimes?
To be honest I havent heard a decent arguement why it is murder?
Is abortion murder?
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So your not calling the woman a murderer , then it isnt murder? So its acceptable sometimes?
To be honest I havent heard a decent arguement why it is murder?
Hardly. Whether one eats meat is moot, as one can certainly value human life over animal life. My feelings about consuming delicious dead animals smothered in BBQ sauce has absolutely nothing to do with my reverence for human life. As for war, nobody "supports war." War is a destructive, wasteful, horrible thing. But, sometimes it is brought upon you, and must be waged, lest evil triumph and humanity suffer. Sure, that sounds hyperbolic, but it happens to be true. Think of WWII. America avoided the war as long as it could, but the Nazis and their allies were dragging the entire planet down and had to be stopped. Sometimes, like then, war is a necessary evil. As for capital punishment, that is your one somewhat valid point, and it is difficult to rectify the two, though not impossible. Personally I justify capital punishment versus abortion as a fetus is wholly innocent of any crime and thus has not forfeited their life, whereas a murderer judged to die has ceded their existence by willfully choosing to commit their crime. Had they abstained from said crime, they would not face being put to death, and so therefore, their death (capital punishment) is, in fact, a chosen path for them.
I agree, to an extent. I have no issues with a woman using the morning after pill or injection, as a group of multiplying cells does not by any biological definition constitute a life form. However, once a brain and heart have formed, then medically and biologically, there does exist life. Look at the opposite extreme; in an ER, when is Time of Death called? Is it when a person has to be hooked to a machine to breathe or function? No, it is called when the heart stops and oxygenated blood is no longer being delivered to the brain, thus resulting in brain death. Since that standard works for determining when life ends, in my opinion, it also works for calling when life begins. Once a heart is beating, therefore, and blood is going to the fetus' brain, terminating said fetus constitutes murder.
No, I'm calling her a murderer. If she kills her innocent fetus, who has done nothing to deserve or warrant such a fate, then yes, I see her as being a murderer.
roronoa3000
Banned
WTF!!? Why would you bring this up? I won't give my opinion but I will say a woman has the right to choose.
They begin to form around the third week, but aren't really functional until fifth or sixth week.
So to answer the question I'm sure is coming; if a fetus is shed before then, no I don't consider it murder, as it isn't a person yet. No heart, no brain, nothing biologically defining it as more than cells; therefore, not an abortion, and not murder.
roronoa3000
Banned
i guess that settles it.
habo9
Banned
Does it have nerves , feelings , limps , nothing really works , Im not sure this is when we can start saying its a person dont get me wrong this is were the grey area comes in for me but I would say its further along how far , Im not sure
Im not saying theres nothing wrong with it , but I think people should be left to make there own choices and I definetly wouldnt call it murder
roronoa3000
Banned
I still can't believe how good that cheesecake was I had awhile ago.
From the Cheesecake Factory? I ain't allowed in there cause I'm black.
roronoa3000
Banned
Nor should you be.
Shame what you're missing.
You bastard!
I don't even like cheesecake. Cheese in cake? thats likes dicks guys assholes. Unnatural and just wrong. LOL
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I just want to bring something up that will hopefully make people think (What? Think? On FreeOnes? Chef, you silly goose!)...
A lot of people who are anti-abortion usually love to talk about how life begins at conception. Even though there are no fully, or even slightly developed human traits at the moment of conception (such as arms, legs, eyes, bones, muscle tissue, brain, heart, skin or even blood), a lot of anti-abortionists like to believe that human life begins the very moment that sperm reaches egg. Basically, they are treating a thoughtless, mindless, physically unaware freshly fertilized human egg just as they would a 25 year old human being who has full mental and physical human capacity.
Yet, at the same time, those same people (and many others) will treat plant life as if it isn't life at all. Even though plants are light years ahead of freshly fertilized human eggs in the sense of development and awareness, people don't accept plant life as life what-so-ever.
Plants react to the sun. If something is blocking the sun from reaching the plant, the plant will lean itself towards the sun in order to survive. If not, it will die. In a sense, plants can feel. Plants are aware of their surroundings and make instinctual reactions to adapt to the world around them. In a sense, plants can think. There are also other examples of "life" that are demonstrated by plants on a regular basis - defense mechanisms and tactics, reproduction, regeneration, feeding, breathing, etc.
Even though plants (in a sense) can think and feel - both of which are things that a fertilized human egg can not do - a freshly conceived human child is considered a life while a living, breathing, reproducing plant isn't.
So, when does life begin? If something like a plant can display more signs of life than a fertilized human egg, then how can we only consider one of those things to be a valid life? I know that people will just be looking at how human life should be more valued than plant life (which is a basic survival instinct), but a life is a life, is it not? And, since that's the case, if terminating a freshly conceived human egg is murder, than shouldn't it also be murder if we pull a carrot out of the ground, clip flowers from the garden or step on a patch of grass?
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Just something to think about.
A lot of people who are anti-abortion usually love to talk about how life begins at conception. Even though there are no fully, or even slightly developed human traits at the moment of conception (such as arms, legs, eyes, bones, muscle tissue, brain, heart, skin or even blood), a lot of anti-abortionists like to believe that human life begins the very moment that sperm reaches egg. Basically, they are treating a thoughtless, mindless, physically unaware freshly fertilized human egg just as they would a 25 year old human being who has full mental and physical human capacity.
Yet, at the same time, those same people (and many others) will treat plant life as if it isn't life at all. Even though plants are light years ahead of freshly fertilized human eggs in the sense of development and awareness, people don't accept plant life as life what-so-ever.
Plants react to the sun. If something is blocking the sun from reaching the plant, the plant will lean itself towards the sun in order to survive. If not, it will die. In a sense, plants can feel. Plants are aware of their surroundings and make instinctual reactions to adapt to the world around them. In a sense, plants can think. There are also other examples of "life" that are demonstrated by plants on a regular basis - defense mechanisms and tactics, reproduction, regeneration, feeding, breathing, etc.
Even though plants (in a sense) can think and feel - both of which are things that a fertilized human egg can not do - a freshly conceived human child is considered a life while a living, breathing, reproducing plant isn't.
So, when does life begin? If something like a plant can display more signs of life than a fertilized human egg, then how can we only consider one of those things to be a valid life? I know that people will just be looking at how human life should be more valued than plant life (which is a basic survival instinct), but a life is a life, is it not? And, since that's the case, if terminating a freshly conceived human egg is murder, than shouldn't it also be murder if we pull a carrot out of the ground, clip flowers from the garden or step on a patch of grass?
:dunno:
Just something to think about.
Did you seriously just posts that plants are aware? Wow...
roronoa3000
Banned
to many words hurt hulk brain.
Alyssa Rose
Official Checked Star Member
Okay, so abortion (to me) is a personal decision (one that I personally would never do) I think if a womans life is at stake (ie: there is a chance that she will literally die before, after or during birth) then yes I think an abortion is the only answer. If the girl is 13 and has no means whatsoever to take care of this baby and she doesn't feel comfortable giving it up for adoption (I feel this should always be the first option though I understand how some people can feel weird about having a kid out there and not knowing anything about it) then yes abortion would be an option. If a girl was raped I feel like abortion would definitely be the answer (and probably would be the only time I would have one) because no one should be forced to spend 9 months carrying around a constant reminder of something so disgusting and traumatizing.
HOWEVER, I feel that if some little slut (like a friend of mine that shall remain nameless) has unprotected sex constantly and keeps making the same mistakes over and over again and keeps having abortions because of her irresponsibility and carelessness then somethings wrong. My friend has had 8+ abortions simply because she 'doesn't like the way condoms feel' and because 'birth control makes her eat like a whale' to me thats just selfish.. and stupid. So I think there should be set rules for abortions, it shouldn't just be an easy way out for dumb careless people. If you have a 'one night stand' or you have unprotected sex and there is even an inkling of possibility that you could have gotten pregnant, then you need to take your happy ass to the drugstore and get the Plan B pill, it might be a little pricey (up to 80 bucks) unless you go to planned parenthood where it can be as little as 15, regardless it is a helluva lot cheaper then an abortion! Anyways take that little pill the morning after and eliminate any chance of pregnancy. Smartest idea ever.:2 cents:
I don't like cheescake either, Its pretty gross!
HOWEVER, I feel that if some little slut (like a friend of mine that shall remain nameless) has unprotected sex constantly and keeps making the same mistakes over and over again and keeps having abortions because of her irresponsibility and carelessness then somethings wrong. My friend has had 8+ abortions simply because she 'doesn't like the way condoms feel' and because 'birth control makes her eat like a whale' to me thats just selfish.. and stupid. So I think there should be set rules for abortions, it shouldn't just be an easy way out for dumb careless people. If you have a 'one night stand' or you have unprotected sex and there is even an inkling of possibility that you could have gotten pregnant, then you need to take your happy ass to the drugstore and get the Plan B pill, it might be a little pricey (up to 80 bucks) unless you go to planned parenthood where it can be as little as 15, regardless it is a helluva lot cheaper then an abortion! Anyways take that little pill the morning after and eliminate any chance of pregnancy. Smartest idea ever.:2 cents:
I don't like cheescake either, Its pretty gross!
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
You heard it here first, folks: Chef thinks triffids should have just as many rights as a human. :tongue:
GregCentauro
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If vegetables could vote, Palin would be president.
Facetious
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^^^^ Beautiful post HSS, very substantive ! :bowdown:
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It's the accumulation of to many consecutive days of split shift sleeping, honest ! :o
:1orglaugh :glugglug:
It's the accumulation of to many consecutive days of split shift sleeping, honest ! :o
