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Irish Slavery
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Philbert
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Here we go from dumbass to moron...the kind of moron 3 points above retarded.
They compliment each other in a "I play with my poop" kinda way...
No problems Philbert, I've always known humour is not on your radar. Potato.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Granted, I'm sure that the theory of divine right of monarchs is not nearly as popular as it was hundreds of years ago. But from what we were taught in high school, the theory is not totally gone. And since I am not (and have never been) plugged into English society or culture, perhaps I should have used the word "some" instead of "many". But it does seem that there is still some basis for the belief. Why would a monarch be the head of a church? What I mean is, how did that come to be and why is it still an accepted practice?
Another question for you, since you grew up in England (if you don't mind): what would you say is the reason for the intense hatred, that has existed for hundred of years, between Protestants and Catholics in the UK?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
No. I'm purely a figment of your imagination. No one else here, other than you, can see my posts. No one else here, other than you, knows of my existence.
Potato
Umm.. got to say you are talking bollocks here.
tartanterrier
Is somewhere outhere.
To put it in US terms it's like the current relationship you's lot have with the Arabs.....they just don't get along
Although it seems to be more of a problem in Scotland & Northern Ireland, than in England.Well I've lived in various places in England, Scotland, Wales & N.I. & Eire (amongst many countries I've lived in). As an Englishman I've got to say your average fucktard is an inhabitant of the USA. Don't get me wrong I love the USA but boy they are seriously insular beyond belief.
Mate if you're going to pontificate about issues like this you REALLY need a history lesson or two.
We (The UK) have to be the most godless country in the world, trust me nobody believes that the Monarch is God's representative on Earth, it's not as though she's the Pope or anything... The Monarch (The Queen) is The Supreme Governor of the Church, which is more or less a ceremonial role much like her other duties. The Archbishop Of Canterbury is the symbolic head and principal leader.
Apart from Northern Ireland and parts of the west coast of Scotland there is no enmity between Protestants and Catholics let alone "intense hatred" because by and large we don't give a fugg about religion in this country, we've moved on.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Uh, the theory of divine right of monarchs is from history. I don't (and shouldn't have) presume to know its popularity now. But as is the case here, there are always people who cling to archaic theories. To deny that is wishful thinking. But you are correct, in that (as I have said) I am not an expert on the current social/religious state of your nation. If I offended any of you, that was not my intention.
I don't know that it is factually true that the UK is the most godless country in the world - data that I've seen points to it being about the same as Germany and more religious than Australia and other places. But still, why does the monarch still have anything to do with the church? Just a carry-over from your history?
If that is indeed the case, then I am pleased to hear that all is now good. So what's the problem in Northern Ireland? Why are there still "issues" there?
Also, is the period of English history detailed in the OP taught in the UK school system? We learn a lot about North American slavery here - even England's role in it. But again, this is something that I'd never heard of before. So, is it taught there?
Rey C.
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To put it in US terms it's like the current relationship you's lot have with the Arabs.....they just don't get along
Yes, anti-Arab bigotry is (unfortunately) socially acceptable in the U.S. - and on this board. There is a reason for that (several, actually) that would be better left for another thread.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Well, as we look across the big pond at each other, hopefully we can use things like this forum to better understand how things actually are in our respective countries.
I have been on a English/European based Formula One forum for about 15 years. Brits (and even Germans) greatly outnumber the Americans there. And judging by the posts in the General Talk section, generally speaking, I really haven't seen that Europeans know any more about the U.S. and its culture than we know about you folks - not really. We just know what we've read or have heard - no different than you. But that's why I enjoy international forums: it's a chance to get to see the perspective of others. But as I do, just as I do when speaking to U.S. based posters, you are just getting one person's perspective. So it's still like asking a blind man what an elephant really looks like... it's just that the elephant is in his land and not mine. His perspective may be better/more accurate than mine, but it still may not be entirely accurate. I still find it interesting though (even when people get defensive or apply a politically correct spin).
I've lived in the USA as well for 4 months, so don't give me that crap.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
You could live in a garage for four months, but that wouldn't make you an expert on cars.
Red XXX
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God help us, this could go on and on and on - you really need to look at the growth of Protestantism in Europe to help understand some of the issues.
If you think Elizabeth gave the Irish a hard time, look at Spain the Duke of Parma and his handling of the Dutch during this period ( The Spanish Fury ) or the French wars of religion!
If we were so bad, why on earth did the Irish attack the Spanish a catholic country when it came to it's aid or each other at the same time?
And when that old chestnut comes up that the British Empire was such a bad thing, why are so many countries part of the Commonwealth we can't have been that bad.
I'm sure if the USA wanted to join we could all find room for you! :lick:
If you think Elizabeth gave the Irish a hard time, look at Spain the Duke of Parma and his handling of the Dutch during this period ( The Spanish Fury ) or the French wars of religion!
If we were so bad, why on earth did the Irish attack the Spanish a catholic country when it came to it's aid or each other at the same time?
And when that old chestnut comes up that the British Empire was such a bad thing, why are so many countries part of the Commonwealth we can't have been that bad.
I'm sure if the USA wanted to join we could all find room for you! :lick:
BlkHawk
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As an American I would tend to agree with the insular statement. I have always thought a lot of that has to do with geography limiting our experiences. For me to get to the closest border would take about a day and a half by car, unless I drove non-stop. Than it would still be close to eighteen hours, and where would I be? Canada, while there our some differences, we're not talking anything vast. With the exception of Quebec, the same language, the same general sort of food, and another nation settled predominantly by Western Europeans.
For Europe I would be looking at two flights, with two layovers just to get to an airport with a flight to Europe. Then roughly ten hours in the air, so with jet lag two days shot just on travel. Considering many of us only get one week of vacation a year, with a return flight I would have three whole days to explore Europe. From a quick search round trip for it would run between $4,000 to $5,000 just on airplane tickets. It would be a similar experience for South America, which basically leaves Mexico, and I would still be looking at $2,000 in travel, and two days round trip.
In comparison how long does it take and how much does it cost to travel from the UK to France, Germany, or Sweden? Three separate languages, cultures, history, and cuisine. How much vacation does the average British person get a year? I actually get two weeks, meaning ten days, but am only allowed to use 5 days at a time, and that's after six years.
While I have no first hand experience with any European culture, I am confident I know a lot more about the Amish, Mesquaki, and the Potawatomi. I would wager most Europeans have never even heard of the last two groups.
BlkHawk
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I really don't want offend you, but with four months you have experienced part of the United States. There are major differences between rural and urban, East and West. The South, the pace of life and the accents felt like a separate country. I have seen British people refer to Americans as Yanks, do that in parts of the South, and watch the fireworks, assuming your still conscious. I would love to see Jeremy Clarkson on a road trip in the South call a good ole boy a yank. It would be hilarious, up to the point of his very graphic death. Hell all three of them were damn near stoned to death the last time they traveled through the South.
Philbert
Banned
A Message from John Cleese
To the citizens of the United States of America:
In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (Case in point - you actually have for President a man who's middle name is Hussein as well as Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife. Are you mad?)
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas , which she does not fancy).
Your new prime minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections.
Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.
A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
To aid in the transition to a British Crown Colony, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
1. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix -ize will be replaced by the suffix -ise.
Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').
3. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.
There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell- checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen.
4. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
5. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent.
Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.
6. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
7. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.
8. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
9. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline)-roughly $10 per US gallon. Get used to it.
10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.
11. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of British Commonwealth - see what it did for them.
12. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie McDowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.
13. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). Don't try Rugby - the South Africans and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.
14. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America (we do NOT count Japan). Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.
15. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.
16. An official from Her Majesty's Inland Revenue (i.e. tax collector) will be with you shortly to ensure the collection of all monies due (backdated to 1776). Until these are paid, there will be no representative government in the USA, in line with the policy: "No representation without taxation".
17. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups and saucers (never mugs), and with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; strawberries in season.
18. Some tea has gone missing, and we expect it back. We'll be searching Boston first.
God save the Queen.
John Cleese
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I really don't want offend you, but with four months you have experienced part of the United States. There are major differences between rural and urban, East and West. The South, the pace of life and the accents felt like a separate country. I have seen British people refer to Americans as Yanks, do that in parts of the South, and watch the fireworks, assuming your still conscious. I would love to see Jeremy Clarkson on a road trip in the South call a good ole boy a yank. It would be hilarious, up to the point of his very graphic death. Hell all three of them were damn near stoned to death the last time they traveled through the South.
Most of the British people I have encountered in real life worked for sports car teams or the CART Indy Car Series teams back in the glory days of the series. Some I knew better than others and some I just knew in passing (or not really at all - there was some dude named Adrian Newey who spent some time with the series... wonder what ever became of him? :dunno:
). But I only felt like I had a limited glimpse of what Brits were really like from knowing those folks. I'm an American and I spent over a year working in Mississippi. And to this day, I don't think I have a good read on what that place is really like. My overall impression is quite negative. But that may just be my personal perception based on/influenced by me not wanting to be there.Maybe it's because so many of us have come to know each other as real people over a longer period of time, and not just screen names that pass in the night on a porn board, but on the F1 board I'm on, it seems that we are (usually) able to have more open and honest discussions when delicate topics such as this come up. We don't always agree and there are frequently some heated discussions (especially when gun control, Israel, religion and health care come up), but I would say that there is a greater willingness to discuss and explain points at length.
There is a largish population of people in central and northern Virginia who share the same last name (derivations of a certain surname, anyway). When I lived in that area, it was said that the originals were brought over as "indentured servants" by the wealthy English families of some of the founding fathers - but they were in reality more like slaves (Thomas Jefferson's family employed/owned some of them). Now that was a topic that you just didn't get into in that area, because it was a touchy subject even in modern times. Most of them appeared to be White, but some were apparently mixed race. And the same type of interracial forced breeding that was spoken of in the OP was said to have taken place with these people. What is the truth? I have no idea. It's not something I've ever given a huge amount of thought to. But reading the article in the OP has made me think about it again.
Being Americans, I think you and I both know of stories and historical episodes that many Americans would just as soon not talk about and forget. In that way, I guess all people are the same.
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