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Intellegent life?
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I believe many people that claim to have experienced alien abductions, being anal probed of all things and witnessing other dimensions, realms of which the human psyche is far from accustomed to. I've witnessed many unearthly things myself that have had no scientific explanation. How I think faith and religious icons ties in with our place in the universe is that on one level all these things are symbolic to the human mind. We interpret everything in our own way. In many ways intelligent ET life exists right here and now in whatever form it can assume. More and more ufo/alien and other sightings may occur because more and more people hear about the phenomena, as the imagery grows in the mass consciousness. I think we should get together and pray for some hot aliens to come down and make love to us, cause it might just happen 
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As for space travelling -The way that a UFO for example could travel through timespace by higher dimensia is similar to lifting your finger off of a page and putting it down in another place by use of 3d space. To a 2d character on the page, it would be almost incomprehensible what has happened. I believe higher beings make use of higher dimensions but in many different ways. People primarily exist in the 3rd dimension but there are many more beyond it and beyond our universe of space, and thankfully beyond our imagination.
There's many acounts of these occurances by LSD experiences and other similar spontanious 'holotropic' states that most people assume are not real! Of course aliens are easier to believe than monsters and talking objects etc. but that is the way of life. Remember that not long ago the earth WAS flat.
:bowdown: :bowdown: As for space travelling -The way that a UFO for example could travel through timespace by higher dimensia is similar to lifting your finger off of a page and putting it down in another place by use of 3d space. To a 2d character on the page, it would be almost incomprehensible what has happened. I believe higher beings make use of higher dimensions but in many different ways. People primarily exist in the 3rd dimension but there are many more beyond it and beyond our universe of space, and thankfully beyond our imagination.
There's many acounts of these occurances by LSD experiences and other similar spontanious 'holotropic' states that most people assume are not real! Of course aliens are easier to believe than monsters and talking objects etc. but that is the way of life. Remember that not long ago the earth WAS flat.
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
which is why if there is intellegent life that far away and they manage to get here we probably shouldn't fuck with them when they get here and pray to god they are friendly and have good intentions for visiting us! If they can travel those kinds of distances in the blink of an eye or even survive long enough for that 250 year journey, then their technology is obviously FAR superior to ours! who knows though maybe someday we'll be the ones who are considered ET on somebody elses planet!reidman said:
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
To believe that, in spite of the fact that there are quadrillions of planets that are rotating around trillions of suns in billions of solar systems in millions of galaxies across the universe, the Earth is the only planet to have evolved a form of intelligent life is naive, vain and flies in the face of the laws of probablility. Of course there is intelligent life elsewhere....probably more common than we can imagine.
I think in statistical terms, there is a fair chance of other life.
Consider this..
there are billions of stars in our milky way, some of which might have planets orbiting them.
Also, there are billions of milky way galaxies, some stretching so far into distant space that even the most powerful telescopes can only see them as a blur.
Assuming that earth maybe the only inhabited planet in this galaxy, if every galaxy also had just one inhabited planet in it, that would still mean billions of inhabited planets.
More interesting for me is the fact that the universe is so old, that civilizations could have come into existence and then died out again a long, long time before we came along.
Somewhere, millions of light years away, there is a planet not too disimilar to ours.
On that planet, people just like you and me, are looking up at the stars and wondering if anyone else is out there..
Consider this..
there are billions of stars in our milky way, some of which might have planets orbiting them.
Also, there are billions of milky way galaxies, some stretching so far into distant space that even the most powerful telescopes can only see them as a blur.
Assuming that earth maybe the only inhabited planet in this galaxy, if every galaxy also had just one inhabited planet in it, that would still mean billions of inhabited planets.
More interesting for me is the fact that the universe is so old, that civilizations could have come into existence and then died out again a long, long time before we came along.
Somewhere, millions of light years away, there is a planet not too disimilar to ours.
On that planet, people just like you and me, are looking up at the stars and wondering if anyone else is out there..
sammy402002 said:picard2893 said:oh, no...are you serious?
What means "intelligent lifeform"
That means, you know that there is no God out there, in the middle age the chirch created "god" to increase their power, they needed a kind of master ore leader who can´t be killed ore retired from someone, like the kings and queens, who were very powerful...and the fact, that some people still believe in god, is because they have a weak personality or soul or what ever, and they need a father figur or someone who leads them in their way of life...this is my statement...you can´t be serious believe in him or her...the bible was written for the dumb people in the middleage, and if you had read the book, you see a lot of things, which are now explored or expained--------------------------------Interesting thoughts.While it is very true the "Church" was power hungry in the middle ages and still tries to influence events today.The Church of the middle ages did not invent God,but used God.(or the concept of God,whatever You believe),because the texts of The Holy Bible were written long before the middle ages.The fact that organized religion has caused many wars before the middle ages;and continues to do so today is still a fact We are living with.Aren't We fighting Islamic Fundamentalism even Today?However,I believe the statement that The Bible was written for "dumb people" is the most innacurate statement I have read in a long time.It certainly does not make a person "dumb" to have a faith in a power greater than Man.Many Great leaders have had a faith in God;(in fact most World leaders have)-Tragically,even more have used "organized religion" as a basis to wage horrible wars and attacks on others of different beliefs.This is as old as History itself.Powerful people use religion to further their own means.However,the basic faith in a higher power does not make a person have a weak personality or a "weak soul",as You say---mmm--does a 21'st century scientific man such as You suggest have a soul?--I may have to look up soul in the damn dictionary,,that confused Me
Hey, mister Los Angeles...thank you for your statement, as i wrote this i was very angry about the church and the religion as well, it´s always the same, you can believe in what you want, aslong nobody get´s hurt...and you´re right, the bible was created long time ago, before the middleages...but when you believe in this "never ending story" you also would believe in dragons and dwarfs...witches and Wizards...these are all stories, created by people, who didn´t want a universe created by ones and zeros, pure mathematic terms and pysically behaviour...they want a magic world, where everything is possible, even the afterlive, :angels: ...well, as the poster says: I want to believe, but i accepted,that the universe has no magic in it, everything is explainable, aristoteles ones said: "We are more than the sum of our matter/stuff"...but that´s not correct. "The soul" is nothing else but the combination of minds and thoughts...the explanation of "intellegence" is:
to know who you are
to know that you exist
consciousness
"cogito ergo sum"
and that´s all...no angels and no devils...and believe me, it makes me sad, too...because without all the magic stuff our universe is really nothing else but numbers and facts...but anywhere intellegent live does exist out there...(read my comment at the beginning)
Aha, your mom comes from Bremen, did you visit bremen? It´s a very nice city, but Hamburg is a lot better:thumbsup: , i live near Bonn, at the rhine valley, near the seven mountains (the story about Siegfried and the firedragon, the Nibelungen and the dwarf Alberich is here at home)
And to go back to the topic of this thread...as you can see on my name "picard2893" i´m a big Star Trek Fan...and believe me, that is not a stupid science fiction show, with unlogical and unphysically terms, like in star wars or stargate...Star Trek explaines the universe like it really is...everything in Star Trek is possible in a technical way, the impulse engine for example is in progress, the hypospray already exists, even the transporter and the replicator, everything of course at the beginning, but it is possible, and the exobilology explaines and descibes us, that Aliens could look strange to human forms, they could have 3 legs or 6 eyes, or maybe no eyes but a telephatic way of comunication...or what ever, it can be everything...but one thing makes me very uncomfortable...the fact that the we took a long time to get this humanoid shape, other lifeforms could be faster in the evolution or slowlier, so there is of course intellegent life out there, but on which stadium of evoltion they are? That´s the question, are they amphibiums, or God like Creatures with ultimate power, are they friendly or are they Hooligans?:fight:
And the most important question: Are we ready for other lifeforms?:dunno:
When you see CNN you should say no, because of war and race hatred...your turn now...
And the most important question: Are we ready for other lifeforms?:dunno:
When you see CNN you should say no, because of war and race hatred...your turn now...
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Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
I'd have to agree with Picard on his star trek thing, i've never gotten into the show but I have seen how things on that show have come into being in the real world like cell phones for instance are HUGE now but they just like the com thingy on Star Trek. As for us being ready for other lifeforms I'd say hell fuckin no we aren't! Look at the way we (here in america) at least treat outsiders. They are supposed to be welcomed but usually they are not. Good ol big brother america...BULLSHIT...sorry I'm sick of that stereotype, anyway, bush or whom ever is in office at the time would probably look at the E.T.s as some new form of terroism since right now we're all hung up on that issue and damn whatever is going on with our own people! He'd more than likely attack with out giving them a chance to show their intent wether it be peaceful or not and that would fuck up any chance we would have of peacful relations with them when and if they did come to visit...stop and think...if they've traveld hundreds of thousands of light years to get here to make some sort of contact then they are obviously FAR more advanced technologicaly than us...hence MUCH better weapons and we might not want to piss them off! God help us if they do exsist and come here while Bush is in office! Could answer my other thread:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=79773
real quick!
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=79773
real quick!
Legzman said:
Thanks for your statement, but Bush is not the end of the world(like in your thread: Armaggeddon), you also could say that to Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, or Cäsar, if Aliens would visited us at that period of time, we really would be pissed off! (uuuh, bad english)...Bush is not the real threat, he is just a puppet, a marionette of the inner circle of the real rulers of our planet (but, do not compare this to X-files)...in your Armaggeddon Thread someone said something about our planet...and what if they´re already here? The surface is nearly explored, but the endless deep blue sea isn´t. Only 4% are explored...4%, that´s nothing, there can be a whole armada of ships and aliens underwater and we wouldn´t know this, we wouldn´t recognize anything...do you know the movie "the Abyss"? There are Aliens who live
deep underwater, and no one knows about it...that could be if you see the 4%...And maybe they are already inside our solarsystem but have the ability to hide their ships...maybe they are already in our orbit, connected with our satellites, watching " I love Lucy" on TV or one of the stupid talkshows...i don´t know, but i hope they don´t, otherwise they would turn back home, because their mission to find other intelligent life failed
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There's nothing like a thread to cause people to drop into religion, Bush bashing, etc... Sigh, I guess there are plenty of people on this planet that can't even have an intelligent conversation about intelligent life out there -- so why would they bother contacting us?
Seriously now, Carl Sagan put it best. Among billions of billions of stars, there if there isn't any other intelligent life, it's an awful waste of space. He was often mistaken as an atheist, when he was no where near as simple as that.
All I know is one thing ... we're far less likely to find out if we don't reach for the stars ourselves. And that means continued research and funding by G8 nations to reach the stars. And it's not a surprise that many practical advances have been brought to us via the engineering efforts of space flight combined with the pure science of astronomical observation.
We have to look outward as much as we do inward -- there is a symbios in the combined adventure.
Seriously now, Carl Sagan put it best. Among billions of billions of stars, there if there isn't any other intelligent life, it's an awful waste of space. He was often mistaken as an atheist, when he was no where near as simple as that.
All I know is one thing ... we're far less likely to find out if we don't reach for the stars ourselves. And that means continued research and funding by G8 nations to reach the stars. And it's not a surprise that many practical advances have been brought to us via the engineering efforts of space flight combined with the pure science of astronomical observation.
We have to look outward as much as we do inward -- there is a symbios in the combined adventure.
picard2893 said:sammy402002 said:
I could not be more against this view!!! I don't mean to attack you personally but how does one with such a limited mind live with themselves. Have you ever questioned what exists before and after your life, beyond your mind or how and why your own thoughts surface. Can you explain existence with math and fact??!!! God damn I thought these posts were jokes at first. It needs to be said This universe we live in now is dreamt up by consciousness of far vaster creative force than numbers and facts. I will believe you when you say it makes you sad, if you want to focus on and believe what is force fed about the predictable logic of everything like an equation, that is what your 'soul' will be. They are only modern tools. Again..it's not you personally, it is a latent mindset. The true possibilities are endless, beyond our common knowledge by this universe. Read my other post on page 1. This is still very much about the possibility of aliens.
of course everyone is entitled to their own oppinions...
wow...that was something...really i didn´t want a conversation about God and stuff, because you can´t really talk about it, it´s like love...nobody can explain it, nobody can proove it, but it is still there, aslong as you believe in it, it´s metaphysic, and that´s why you can play this much with this kind of story, you can put unbelievable, unlogical, unproovable things in it, and no one can say something about or against it, because it exists only in your mind (religion, Love, the soul and everything around it) and yes, you can explain the universe with numbers, mathematic and physic...
I can´t believe it anyway, how many demonstrativ power do you need:
Dinosaurs, evolution, the beginning of the universe, timearrow, the exobiology, even the history of man, and of course the content of the bible (adam and Eve for example), everything speaks against the religion, and i mean every religion...how to solve the problem, oh yes, kill everybody who is against the church, against you, yeah that is a really great kind of behaviour for the watching aliens out there, if they exist...does the church believe in aliens, or is their universe only as large as our solar system or their mind? (opium for everyone)
It´s nothing against you, ok, i don´t know you, but are an american, you live in religious world, your faith in God is much stronger because of your education maybe or what ever, so i can imagine why you´ve got this kind of you, and i know i can´t change your kind of thinking, but don´t be stupid, you lways have to listen to both sides, to get an objective statement. Yes, listen to the devil as well as xou listen to the angel:angels: and choose well...
and for the record: i don´t know what happened to me when my life is over, and i don´t know what happened to me before my life began...it is like button. i switch it on, you live, you switch it off, you die, that´s all, and yes i think everyone wants to live forever, that´s why the church created the faith of the afterlife, yes it gives you a warm, comfortable feeling...oh i´m gonna die, no matter, my life will be continued in the afterlife, yuhuu...oh please...seriosly, that sounds like a limited mind to me as well...
your turn now:wave2:
I can´t believe it anyway, how many demonstrativ power do you need:
Dinosaurs, evolution, the beginning of the universe, timearrow, the exobiology, even the history of man, and of course the content of the bible (adam and Eve for example), everything speaks against the religion, and i mean every religion...how to solve the problem, oh yes, kill everybody who is against the church, against you, yeah that is a really great kind of behaviour for the watching aliens out there, if they exist...does the church believe in aliens, or is their universe only as large as our solar system or their mind? (opium for everyone)
It´s nothing against you, ok, i don´t know you, but are an american, you live in religious world, your faith in God is much stronger because of your education maybe or what ever, so i can imagine why you´ve got this kind of you, and i know i can´t change your kind of thinking, but don´t be stupid, you lways have to listen to both sides, to get an objective statement. Yes, listen to the devil
as well as xou listen to the angel:angels: and choose well...and for the record: i don´t know what happened to me when my life is over, and i don´t know what happened to me before my life began...it is like button. i switch it on, you live, you switch it off, you die, that´s all, and yes i think everyone wants to live forever, that´s why the church created the faith of the afterlife, yes it gives you a warm, comfortable feeling...oh i´m gonna die, no matter, my life will be continued in the afterlife, yuhuu...oh please...seriosly, that sounds like a limited mind to me as well...
your turn now:wave2:
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Ok, no more discussions about God or any kind of religion, ok...it makes no sense...
let´s go back to the real content of this thread and talk about the terminus "intelligent" life...
what is your defintion of "intelligent" life...what make it intelligent???
let´s go back to the real content of this thread and talk about the terminus "intelligent" life...
what is your defintion of "intelligent" life...what make it intelligent???
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well..im not american and i dont belong to any religion or church. I think for myself and live my own life and try to remain open to other beliefs. The church of most religions are not any more credible than the science, evolutionary theories of the universe. I can admit I myself still don't know much of the true nature of existence or 'god', but in many ways I do believe the universe is only as big as the mind reaches. If we had never looked into space would other solar systems even exist???
"and yes, you can explain the universe with numbers, mathematic and physic..."
"these are all stories, created by people, who didn´t want a universe created by ones and zeros, pure mathematic terms and pysically behaviour.."
-yes you can use them in an attempt to explain the universe like ruling lines on a picture, but they are not what creates our existence as you said!.. Or I should say that's not what I believe in anyway. To me that way of thinking is more deadly than a church's, most of who at least encourage faith.
I do listen to both sides of what is being said and acknowledged but I would not choose to be governed by these modern scientific views that are no more valid than any other theories throughout history. It's a matter of how you spend your time and energy and what is focused on. For that reason I encourage free thinking and imagination.
"and yes, you can explain the universe with numbers, mathematic and physic..."
"these are all stories, created by people, who didn´t want a universe created by ones and zeros, pure mathematic terms and pysically behaviour.."
-yes you can use them in an attempt to explain the universe like ruling lines on a picture, but they are not what creates our existence as you said!.. Or I should say that's not what I believe in anyway. To me that way of thinking is more deadly than a church's, most of who at least encourage faith.
I do listen to both sides of what is being said and acknowledged but I would not choose to be governed by these modern scientific views that are no more valid than any other theories throughout history. It's a matter of how you spend your time and energy and what is focused on. For that reason I encourage free thinking and imagination.
lol,anyway how good could fuck these little/big head females aliens??
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to obebonekenobi: yes, that´s what i want to say, keep a clear mind...and you´re right, there are many theories, much more than in the whole religion, yes...but this is only a matter of time, someday we can answer all of our questions...and who knows, maybe through Jehowa´s help, or maybe through Lucifer´s...
what really sucked ass is the fact that we are so arrogant, we believe that we are the most important lifeform on this planet...that´s why i like the movie "Star Trek 4 Voyage Home", because in this movie an alien vessel traveled to earth to visit the whales in the sea, not the humans on the surface...so what makes us thinking. that we are the one, who have got the privileg to get visited by ET´s ?!! So many questions and so little time...maybe Aliens are already here, inside freeones, they would laugh their green fucking asses of if they read this bullshit we do
Anyway, we are not alone in the dark, maybe we are too late or too fast in evolution, but one day we have the ability to visit them...
100 Years ago we learned to fly, only 50years later we traveled to moon...unbelievable...20 Years later Armstrong walked on the moon, 10 years later the mars was discovered, even pluto and saturn, and don´t forget the other planets...this all in such a short period of time, i mean thousands of years we were knights who fought with swords and saber, and now we have rockets and laser, shockwave-missiles and thermo nuclear weapons, invented within 100 years...that´s a discovery, which the human mind can´t follow that fast, the human mind is not ready yet...
what really sucked ass is the fact that we are so arrogant, we believe that we are the most important lifeform on this planet...that´s why i like the movie "Star Trek 4 Voyage Home", because in this movie an alien vessel traveled to earth to visit the whales in the sea, not the humans on the surface...so what makes us thinking. that we are the one, who have got the privileg to get visited by ET´s ?!! So many questions and so little time...maybe Aliens are already here, inside freeones, they would laugh their green fucking asses of if they read this bullshit we do
Anyway, we are not alone in the dark, maybe we are too late or too fast in evolution, but one day we have the ability to visit them...
100 Years ago we learned to fly, only 50years later we traveled to moon...unbelievable...20 Years later Armstrong walked on the moon, 10 years later the mars was discovered, even pluto and saturn, and don´t forget the other planets...this all in such a short period of time, i mean thousands of years we were knights who fought with swords and saber, and now we have rockets and laser, shockwave-missiles and thermo nuclear weapons, invented within 100 years...that´s a discovery, which the human mind can´t follow that fast, the human mind is not ready yet...
