HornyNSunny
Banned
im sure you will say wikileaks.org is bullshit, unfortunately pentagon approved those documents and made several arrests....
sometimes truth hurts...
sometimes truth hurts...
If you are against american government, they call you terrorist :)
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Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I rest my case. You never even responded to my post that attempted to establish a reasonable dialogue with you so your original contention that this thread is here based on the pretext that "i just want to see how you see this, no harm no hard feelings just a little bit fun...." is a total crock of shit. All you want to do here is piss and moan about the USA which you have done ad nauseum without engaging in any meaningful discourse with others. I reiterate my suggestion that this thread be closed. As for me, this is my final comment here and I would urge my like-minded colleagues to follow suit and ignore any further rantings on your behalf unless or until you decide to change your approach. Otherwise, you get what you ask for. Good day, sir. :wave2:
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
How can you say that planning is nuclear weaons is one issue and possessing them another when planning leads to possessing?
I'll let you in on a secret why americans don't understand; they're not that bright.
There's a thread for the ground zero mosque. If you want to post about that, dig that thread up.
There are still religious people in Europe.
Who are you saying is a Christian, not a Moslem? Christ was a Jew, remember?
If you're saying that I'm a Christian then you're wrong again; I'm not one YET. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't A: write lies about the religion I'm converting to or B: write lies about me.
I choose neither: I'm well aware of what the Japanese did to Western soldiers and that's why I referred to that specifically.
NOTE: REFERENCE WAS SPECIFICALLY TO OFFENCES BY THE JAPANESE AGAINST WESTERN CIVILIANS.
Moving on:
I'm also aware of the Japanese offences against civilians in countries they invaded (rape of Nanking, etc).
Now, how shall I put this, american armed forces in the mid-east:
A: Torture
B: Kill
C: Rape
So what did the Japanese do that makes their history so hideous? They uhm... Tortured, killed and raped.
Now I admit that at least the american armed forces have rules against that conduct, whereas the Japs embraced it, so maybe the yanks are not as bad, but the fact remains that both have indulged in torture, killing and rapine.
He knows because the us and the UK kept the receipts after they sold WMD to Iraq :hatsoff:
Japan has had an army since WW2, it's called the Japanese self-defense force (JSDF).i dont know why you dont want to understand, japanese tortured people? yes they did and international community punished them politically and they have not had an army since world war II, and i agree that is not enough because they killed innocent people...
but what about the consequences of US administrations actions in mid east? i cant believe you are defending yourself with someone else's mistake...
you should read wikileaks, dont tell me they are not true because pentagon approved them with anger
I can't believe they defend themselves with someone elses mistake either
Peasant? There's that word again; why do you think there's something wrong with peasants? Lets be honest; YOU are one. We all are.
He shuts down alternative media outlets critical of him? Proof please.
Before Chavez 5% of the people owned 80% of the land. Chavez encouraged the regular people to invade the land and the economy is improving now. Chavez did a ruler's duty; he looked after the people.
No, the bombs were dropped as a warning to the Soviet Union. Stalin didn't grasp the magnitude of atomic weapons at first, which may have been why the second bomb was dropped.
Really? To reduce casualties?
I can just see a boatload full of troops armed with rifles shaking in fear at the prospect of facing a Japanese civilian armed with a sharpened bamboo stick
there was no need for it.You americans decided to invade Iraq because they (allegedly) had WMD... How can you regard that as bad and yet excuse you're use of WMD against civilian targets.
What is so wrong with you that you realise nuclear weapons are bad and yet don't frown on the ONLY TWO USES of them, which were against massive civilian populations.
Let's put that in perspective; Iraq had no ability to attack america when she was attacked. america then promptly rampaged through the country using terrorist tactics.
So lets say an Iraqi insurgent team smuggled nuclear weapons into New York and Washington and detonated them. Is that acceptable? Because that's a more justified usage of nuclear weapons than the only two real wartime usages.
Why is it more justified? Because american troops are on Iraqi soil; when america dropped her bombs the Japs were not on american soil and had no hope of striking the american heartland.
You know who really messed up the world? Would like to know HornySunni?
Islamists.
He shuts down alternative media outlets critical of him? Proof please.
Before Chavez 5% of the people owned 80% of the land. Chavez encouraged the regular people to invade the land and the economy is improving now. Chavez did a ruler's duty; he looked after the people.
No, the bombs were dropped as a warning to the Soviet Union. Stalin didn't grasp the magnitude of atomic weapons at first, which may have been why the second bomb was dropped.
Really? To reduce casualties?
I can just see a boatload full of troops armed with rifles shaking in fear at the prospect of facing a Japanese civilian armed with a sharpened bamboo stick
Proof?
http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com/2010/06/hugo-chavez-shuts-down-opposition-tv-station-same-guy-fcc-czar-praised.html
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20100201-student-marches-turn-ugly-venezuela-demonstration-rctv-censorship-media-tv
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2723008820070528
http://www.squidoo.com/WhatIsCommonAmongHugoChavezRobertMugabeEMSNamboothirippad
Vodka are you trying to be daft regarding Operation Olympic/Coronet vis a vis the dropping of the two A-bombs?
http://www.ww2pacific.com/downfall.html
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_downfall2.html
Your assessment of Japanese resistance being comprised of civilians with bamboo sticks is laughable.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
So what else was it composed of? Reserve forces? We had the ability to fight them conventionally. We could've rolled over with firebombers or used cruisers to shell from safe range offshore.
But no, we went straight to the WMD. Only makes sense as a warning to Stalin.
We could even have gone straight for a conventional invasion, but I prefer the idea of wearing them down with naval artillery/bombers first.
Edit:
Checking out your links...
emceeemcee
Banned
another howler!
:1orglaugh
First off, you don't know anything thing about me, so you'll just have to reassess your narrow minded prejudices about how anyone who calls you on your bullshit is rich and white.
Second, I don't know about anyone else but all I'm championing is the factual record, something your commments are completely at odds with. If that qualifies as automatic support for Chavez then that's just your delusion to deal with.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
i dont know why you dont want to understand, japanese tortured people? yes they did and international community punished them politically and they have not had an army since world war II, and i agree that is not enough because they killed innocent people...
but what about the consequences of US administrations actions in mid east? i cant believe you are defending yourself with someone else's mistake...
you should read wikileaks, dont tell me they are not true because pentagon approved them with anger
screwhead, for decades they went into chinese villages and killed the old people. the men and boys in very disgusting ways.
threw the babies in the air and caught them on bayonets.
gang raped the women and little girls, children then burned them alive.
they also killed them by sticking knives and other objects including guns up their vaginas.
they used thousands in the sickest experiments possible.
disecting alive, never dead, freezing, burning, cutting off body parts, you name it they did it.
they did these things to about 10 million people.
they murdered and killed in horrible ways most of their pow's also.
this is all historic fact.
you brought it up, you compared what they did to the US military prisons.
youre totally wrong and you dont have the balls to admit it.
youre basically lying, saying things that arent true.
like i said, people like you dont deserve to live in the united states
why? because you hate it, thats obvious.
comparing what the japanese did to what the usa has done in iraq just shows your hatred and predjudice.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Hey, it's not WMD at least, there's only so much one can do in war, especially against an enemy as divorced from sanity and reality as imperial Japan.
Yeah, because that would have killed fewer people.
Thanks
I don't know man, I actually learned a lot just from reading everyone's comments on military History and even that video "confessions of an economic hitman". Overall, I think this thread stimulated a lot of minds...at least I saw a whole new side of vodkaz lol, I honestly thought he was more of a goof more than anything else, I ought to have reminded myself that assuming of leads to mis-assessments.
Well done guys, this was a good read. Also, with that said, I think that HornyNSunny should perhaps read a bit of Darwin, because in the end this is a world in which everyone/countries are trying to do what is best for themselves and fairness is not often part of the equation. You'll never hear me say that the US is the most just nation of all, however I also cannot say that they're wrong in doing whatever it is they do because in the end, only the US can contribute to the US's welfare.
As the ruler of a country, the only thing I would hold "wrong" in my mind are the actions that lead to my own country's demise (that includes actions that make me look like a threat to the world), every other action I would be forced to consider as a possible solution for my own progress.
All said, let's not hold the "average joe" responsible for decisions/situations he has no control over, and let's not condemn the "average joe" for defending his nation, because in the end that's what it is: HIS nation.
Re: If you are against American government, they call you terrorist
The former Yugoslavia was in Europe's back yard, why didn't any of the European countries get off there asses and do something about Bosnia?
By the way, many European countries and to a lesser degree, the U.S. are all guilty of allowing the 2nd Balkans War to happen in the 1st place.
The worst thing that can happen in time of war is to send in United Nations "peacekeepers" as the U.N. is indecisive and spineless. Why did the Dutch "peacekeepers" in Srebrenica trust General Mladic , then basically get held hostage by his troops as thousands of Srebrenicans were slaughtered?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/03/10/60II/main2010.shtml
Poor quality but full length BBC video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9045158223206269582#
If you're trying to stop a war and want things to go horribly wrong, just invite the French :Frenchman and the U.N. ... from wikipedia:
4 June and 6–11 July 1995: Serb take-over of Srebrenica
On 4 June 1995, the French commander of the UN forces in former Yugoslavia, general Bernard Janvier, secretly met Ratko Mladic to obtain the release of hostages, many of whom were French. Mladic demanded of Janvier that there would be no more air strikes.
The Serb offensive on Srebrenica began in earnest on 6 July 1995. In the following days, the five UNPROFOR observation posts, in the southern part of the enclave, fell one by one in the face of the Serb forces advance. Some of the Dutch soldiers retreated into the enclave after their posts were attacked, but the crews of the other observation posts surrendered into Serb custody. Simultaneously, the defending Bosnian forces came under heavy fire and were pushed back toward the town. Once the southern perimeter began to collapse, about 4,000 Bosniak residents, who had been living in a Swedish housing complex for refugees nearby, fled north into Srebrenica town. Dutch soldiers reported that the advancing Serbs were "cleansing" the houses in the southern part of the enclave.[45]
A Dutch YPR-765s[46]On 8 July, a Dutch YPR-765 armored vehicle took fire from the Serbs and withdrew. A group of Bosniaks demanded that the armored vehicle stay to defend them. As the armored vehicle continued to withdraw, a Bosniak man threw a hand grenade on the vehicle, killing soldier Raviv van Renssen.[47]
Late on 9 July 1995, emboldened by early successes and little resistance from largely demilitarized Bosniaks, as well as the absence of any significant reaction from the international community, President Karadžić issued a new order authorizing the VRS Drina Corps to capture the town of Srebrenica.[48]
On the morning of 10 July 1995, the situation in Srebrenica was tense. Residents crowded the streets. The Dutch UNPROFOR troops fired warning shots over the attacking Serbs’ heads and their mortars fired flares but they never fired directly on any Serb units. Lieutenant-Colonel Karremans sent many urgent requests for NATO air support to defend the town, but no assistance was forthcoming until around 2:30 Pm on 11 July 1995, when 2 Dutch F-16's guided by British SAS bombed VRS tanks advancing towards the town. NATO planes also attempted to bomb VRS artillery positions overlooking the town, but had to abort the operation due to poor visibility. NATO plans to continue the air strikes were abandoned following the Serb Army's threats to kill Dutch troops and the French hostages (pilots in the custody of the VRS), as well as shell the UN Potočari compound on the outside of the town, and surrounding areas where 20,000 to 30,000 civilians had fled.[48]
Late in the afternoon of 11 July General Mladić, accompanied by General Živanović (then Commander of the Drina Corps), General Krstić (then Deputy Commander and Chief of Staff of the Drina Corps) and other Serb Army officers, took a triumphant walk through the empty streets of Srebrenica town. The moment was captured on film by Serbian journalist, Zoran Petrović.[48]
The Dutch soldiers operating under the auspices of the UN have been criticised for their part in failing to protect the Bosniak refugees in the safe haven. Lieutenant-Colonel Karremans was filmed drinking a toast with genocide suspect and Serb general Ratko Mladić during the bungled negotiations on the fate of civilian population grouped in Potočari.[49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
Most Democratic countries in the world want the United States to be the world's police force, then they damn us for being the world's police force .. :dunno:
in Bosnia, why did US and other waited so long to help innocent people while Serbians were slaughtering and raping women? and they did plan those rapings? they collected thousand women in warehouse and they brought soldiers to rape them....
i guess Jesus would not care about Muslim women
The former Yugoslavia was in Europe's back yard, why didn't any of the European countries get off there asses and do something about Bosnia?
By the way, many European countries and to a lesser degree, the U.S. are all guilty of allowing the 2nd Balkans War to happen in the 1st place.
The worst thing that can happen in time of war is to send in United Nations "peacekeepers" as the U.N. is indecisive and spineless. Why did the Dutch "peacekeepers" in Srebrenica trust General Mladic , then basically get held hostage by his troops as thousands of Srebrenicans were slaughtered?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/03/10/60II/main2010.shtml
Poor quality but full length BBC video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9045158223206269582#
If you're trying to stop a war and want things to go horribly wrong, just invite the French :Frenchman and the U.N. ... from wikipedia:
4 June and 6–11 July 1995: Serb take-over of Srebrenica
On 4 June 1995, the French commander of the UN forces in former Yugoslavia, general Bernard Janvier, secretly met Ratko Mladic to obtain the release of hostages, many of whom were French. Mladic demanded of Janvier that there would be no more air strikes.
The Serb offensive on Srebrenica began in earnest on 6 July 1995. In the following days, the five UNPROFOR observation posts, in the southern part of the enclave, fell one by one in the face of the Serb forces advance. Some of the Dutch soldiers retreated into the enclave after their posts were attacked, but the crews of the other observation posts surrendered into Serb custody. Simultaneously, the defending Bosnian forces came under heavy fire and were pushed back toward the town. Once the southern perimeter began to collapse, about 4,000 Bosniak residents, who had been living in a Swedish housing complex for refugees nearby, fled north into Srebrenica town. Dutch soldiers reported that the advancing Serbs were "cleansing" the houses in the southern part of the enclave.[45]
A Dutch YPR-765s[46]On 8 July, a Dutch YPR-765 armored vehicle took fire from the Serbs and withdrew. A group of Bosniaks demanded that the armored vehicle stay to defend them. As the armored vehicle continued to withdraw, a Bosniak man threw a hand grenade on the vehicle, killing soldier Raviv van Renssen.[47]
Late on 9 July 1995, emboldened by early successes and little resistance from largely demilitarized Bosniaks, as well as the absence of any significant reaction from the international community, President Karadžić issued a new order authorizing the VRS Drina Corps to capture the town of Srebrenica.[48]
On the morning of 10 July 1995, the situation in Srebrenica was tense. Residents crowded the streets. The Dutch UNPROFOR troops fired warning shots over the attacking Serbs’ heads and their mortars fired flares but they never fired directly on any Serb units. Lieutenant-Colonel Karremans sent many urgent requests for NATO air support to defend the town, but no assistance was forthcoming until around 2:30 Pm on 11 July 1995, when 2 Dutch F-16's guided by British SAS bombed VRS tanks advancing towards the town. NATO planes also attempted to bomb VRS artillery positions overlooking the town, but had to abort the operation due to poor visibility. NATO plans to continue the air strikes were abandoned following the Serb Army's threats to kill Dutch troops and the French hostages (pilots in the custody of the VRS), as well as shell the UN Potočari compound on the outside of the town, and surrounding areas where 20,000 to 30,000 civilians had fled.[48]
Late in the afternoon of 11 July General Mladić, accompanied by General Živanović (then Commander of the Drina Corps), General Krstić (then Deputy Commander and Chief of Staff of the Drina Corps) and other Serb Army officers, took a triumphant walk through the empty streets of Srebrenica town. The moment was captured on film by Serbian journalist, Zoran Petrović.[48]
The Dutch soldiers operating under the auspices of the UN have been criticised for their part in failing to protect the Bosniak refugees in the safe haven. Lieutenant-Colonel Karremans was filmed drinking a toast with genocide suspect and Serb general Ratko Mladić during the bungled negotiations on the fate of civilian population grouped in Potočari.[49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
Most Democratic countries in the world want the United States to be the world's police force, then they damn us for being the world's police force .. :dunno:
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Vodkaz Victim is an idiot and a douchebag of massive proportions. He doesn't know anything about anything he comments on and hasn't got the intelligence of a chicken.I think this thread stimulated a lot of minds...at least I saw a whole new side of vodkaz lol, I honestly thought he was more of a goof more than anything else, I ought to have reminded myself that assuming of leads to mis-assessments.
There is nothing wrong with that Britfag that a bullet wouldn't cure and he and his innane statements are best ignored.
Heads up :thumbsup:
a terrorist, in the simplest sense, is someone who seeks to inspire terror...so therefore glen beck is a terrorist cuz i swear all that fuck does is try to scare folk
I know enough to make a call and I'd be on target.:hatsoff:
Germany and Iraq:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html
Proof that Germany did more than we ever did. They practically built Saddam's chemical warfare program and helped in it's nuclear ambitions as well.
Re: If you are against American government, they call you terrorist
The truth about Srebrenica.
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/conclusions.htm
The truth about Srebrenica.
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/conclusions.htm
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
*Re-enters thread*
*gives everyone a big hug*
*leaves thread again*
*gives everyone a big hug*
*leaves thread again*
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I'm not reading 5 pages, I'm just going to say this. Now a days, all you have to do to be considered a terrorist, is disagree with the politicians, and the decisions THEY make. We have no Constitutional rights anymore...it's called the patriot act. Everyday they seek to take away more of our rights, under the guise of safety and security. It's reprehensible, and the American public better open their fuckin eyes and start doing something about it, before we stop being citizens, and start becoming subjects.
roronoa3000
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