His funeral took place today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8187417.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8187417.stm
Harry Patch dies at 111
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habo9
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That's exactly what I thought this was about in the first place.
:nono:
jasonk282
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Great post. I saw the posts earlier ,but I didn't want to disrespect the death of this poor old man(nor any man) like some tend to ignorantly do others.
Because of the unprecedented interest in an entertainer's death(Michael Jackson, who is arguably the most beloved figure on the planet) some foolishly like to somehow make it a negative commentary on contemporary society & our priorities.But historically countless Artists like Shakespeare,Mozart,Raphael,etc,etc....... have been( & still are) more beloved/revered/remembered than any lowly foot soldiers of their eras. I know of no time period in our history in which a basic foot soldier has been more beloved than our most celebrated Artist:dunno
From what I have seen this man was a military Private/Plumber who ,unlike millions upon millions of other nameless pawns/soldiers just like him during WWI & II, was basically lucky to survive & live to an astounding age. Otherwise he would have been a nameless/forgotten pawn just like the others & people should be grateful that Patch is even remembered.
Why is every Soldier a 'hero' today? It seems to me because of the 'Hawkish' Neo Conservative political influence which brands us 'Traitors' if we won't support their foolish wars nor blindly revere their 'warriors'.
P.S How can Jackson be a forgotten Pop star when his last set of concerts(in a 20k seat arena) sold out an astounding/unprecedented 55 shows in less than four(4) hours & last album sold nearly 11 million copies with little promotion:dunno: Their were enough reqeuest to sell out 85 of those 02shows ,but the man could barely do,nor had the desire to do the 55 it seems.
Because they VOLUNTARRY enlist to protect VALUES that they believe in values such as. Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity and Personal Courage.. Let's break these values down.
Loyalty
Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. constitution, the Army, and other soldiers.
Be loyal to the nation and its heritage.
Duty
Fulfill your obligations.
Accept responsibility for your own actions and those entrusted to your care.
Find opportunities to improve oneself for the good of the group.
Respect
Rely upon the golden rule.
How we consider others reflects upon each of us, both personally and as a professional organization
Selfless Service
Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.
Selfless service leads to organizational teamwork and encompasses discipline, self-control and faith in the system.
Honor
Live up to all the Army values
Integrity
Do what is right, legally and morally.
Be willing to do what is right even when no one is looking.
It is our "moral compass" an inner voice.
Personal Courage
Our ability to face fear, danger, or adversity, both physical and moral courage
But I guess it's better being rich and famous than actually standing up for something you believe in.
:dunno:
But why compare?
MJ contributed to all kinds of charity organizations? Isn't that kind of support just as welcome in our troubled little world? What's the point of having that argument? Who is the greatest of two dead men? They, first and foremost, could care less.
Oh yeah. Life goes on. Long after the thrill of livin is gone.
True, its stupid to compare a modest war hero. . .with a pop star that fucked kids.
True, its stupid to compare a modest war hero. . .with a pop star that fucked kids.
*facepalm*
jasonk282
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True, its stupid to compare a modest war hero. . .with a pop star that fucked kids.
Indeed, the nation has to come to a stand still when a famous child molester died. Apprently it's better to be a child molester than giving your life for your country. Gotta love the New American Values.
We understand that it upsets a small minority that the most beloved man on the planet was a magical entertainer & I agree with Skechers. I shall allow you guys to flame your own thread.:1orglaugh
Just be glad that a single foot soldier /Private & pawn among ten of millions just like him got this much notice(although this thread is piggy backing on Jackson's fame)simply because he outlived the rest & move on.
Elvis Presley married a 13/14 year old & Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin. They are PROVEN to be exploiters of children & MJ's jury laughed his accusers out of court.
He must have been magical to sell nearly a million tickets(55 shows) to his last concerts in under 4 hours with a overwhelming demand for at least 35 more shows in a SINGLE foreign city.
Lowly foot soldiers have at no time in world history gotten as much love/respect/reverance than our Artists & the sooner you(minority of fools) accept this the better.:wave2: This so called NEW American Values(Or better yet World since he was beloved worldwide) people have spoken of is an historical truth.
Foot soldiers have at few times in history overshadowed it's Artist. You can best judge a society by it's culture & not it's stone age like warmongering.
habo9
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So its better to revere child molesters including Jerry & I dont know about Elvis but I dont like him anyway than it is for someone who put his life on the line for your freedom & did it with dignity?
Also soldiers who fought in wars are remembered all the time , millions of people go to rememberence days & millions fly over to France for D-day to remember the people that died for me & you
So if your New American Values are what the world is going by , god help us all
We will see how many turn out for Michaels death in years from now
jasonk282
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So since I freely choose to defend my country and our freedoms I am considered a fool? You my dear might have been better of in the 60's protesting our soldiers comming home from Vietnam. It's the lowly foot soldiers/pawns as you put it that have fought in the revolutionary war that gave you such freedoms. It's the lowley foot soldiers that have fought in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Dessert Storm, Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom that give you the right to accuse them. Your right about the Artist in a society but comparing MJ to that english bard :dunno:. If you ran our damn military we would be trying to kill the enemy by reciting McBeth to them.
:wave2:
You mean the same Michael Jackson who gave over $300 million dollars of his OWN money to charitable causes(it's a waste to link it here so find the info yourself) like AIDS,Medical supplies/food relief to developing nations in (Europe/Africa/Asia), raise nearly 100 hundred million dollars with his song "We Are The World" ,then gave 20% of his Estate to various charities,etc.......:dunno: (Too many charities to even bother mentioning here though the guinness book says it is around 40)
Yeah he only thought of himself:dunno:.
Don't base your hate on ignorance like the minority of your peers here.
So you guys are so desperate to attempt to piggyback a lowly foot soldier on the back of such an accomplished Artist/Humanitarian like Michael Jackson:1orglaugh
At few times in history have foot soldiers out shone Artists & it won't happen today.:wave2:
You mean the same Michael Jackson who gave over $300 million dollars of his OWN money to charitable causes(it's a waste to link it here so find the info yourself) like AIDS,Medical supplies/food relief to developing nations in (Europe/Africa/Asia), raise nearly 100 hundred million dollars with his song "We Are The World" ,then gave 20% of his Estate to various charities,etc.......:dunno: (Too many charities to even bother mentioning here though the guinness book says it is around 40)
Yeah he only thought of himself:dunno:.
Don't base your hate on ignorance like the minority of your peers here.
So you guys are so desperate to attempt to piggyback a lowly foot soldier on the back of such an accomplished Artist/Humanitarian like Michael Jackson:1orglaugh
At few times in history have foot soldiers out shone Artists & it won't happen today.:wave2:
:nono:
habo9
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Guilt money , plenty of charity workers have abused children dont let this throw you off the trail , yz MJ fans are so gullible
Not comparing one Artist's Art to another ,but Shakespeare's Plays (if you weren't so ignorant) was considered 'low' art during his lifetime. It is even believed by some that Shakespeare was only an alias for a Nobleman who wouldn't ruin his reputation with such garbage as Shakespearean style plays. Who knows how someone's Art shall be seen by future generations:dunno:
Great way to get off my DEAD ON foot soldier to Artist comparison & now try to compare Artist(Jackson/Shakespeare) who neither of which works were considered 'High Art' during their lifetimes:dunno:
That being said any of those guys could only dream of the reverance of a Michael Jackson.
jasonk282
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Guess you have cook outs on Memorial Day, you know that national holiday that each year we remember and honor our fallen soldiers. Or how about Veteren's Day bet you like be off school/work on that day as well. I don't see any national enterainers day or national poets day. I can assure you I will NEVER forget the 5 names listed below.
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