Gunman opens fire in Tennessee church, 2 killed

[tubuler]

I think this is what Prof was getting at by saying "Broadly painting all those who don't agree with you".... Doing that just cheapens your argument. :2 cents: You're my buddy, but IMO that's not the way to go about it, even if you do feel that way.

It was more of a retaliatory quip than an actual statement of my true beliefs. But I'll try and think before I post next time.

 

[YMIHERE]

More news of the shooters state of mind is revealed. Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity are on accused shooter's reading list. I think this unholy trio is happy their message is getting though and has become actionable knowledge.



http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

 

[Philbert]

More news of the shooters state of mind is revealed. Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity are on accused shooter's reading list. I think this unholy trio is happy their message is getting though and has become actionable knowledge.



http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

The Beatles were Charles Manson's inspiration; they were definitely on his reading list. So...? (There goes that broad paintbrush.)

 

[YMIHERE]

The Beatles were Charles Manson's inspiration; they were definitely on his reading list. So...? (There goes that broad paintbrush.)

The Beatles never preach hate. These guy do, especially Michael Savage.

 

[Synthmesc_Droog]

The Beatles are shit. I can imagine that's what drove Manson completely bonkers

 

[Facial_King]

Re: Living, breathing right-wing stereotype kills 2 Unitarians

And such return stereotypes are also part of the problem.

That's why some of us call your type "bleeding heart liberals."
You take the worst you can find and apply it to everyone who disagrees with you.

No, I don't do that. I hardly believe that THIS guy is typical or representative of conservatives, everyone right-of-center or even everyone on the right-wing fringe. I don't apply this guy to "everyone who disagrees with me." For one thing, I have disagreements on various topics with people right, left, and center. I think you missed my point.

I really found the fact that this guy actually FIT the stereotype so well in several ways to be amusing.

Ohhhhh Nooooo ! Mr. Bill !!

The right wing - SUV - conservative - anti gay - pro gun nut mantra . . yet again !

(Not sure if you're sarcastic here or what. In this case it's not me reciting a mantra. This fellow is real.)
Well, find me a sandal-clad, latte-sipping, Volvo-driving homosexual veterinarian who spends his/her days encouraging young girls to have sex and get abortions and his/her evenings rescuing baby whales or seals and going to s&m clubs, and I'll laugh right along with you that someone could fit a stereotype so well...

Inflamatory . . yet unoriginal.

Are you critiquing me for posting the article, for describing the killer as a right-wing stereotype, or are you critiquing this guy for pulling off a mass shooting (in a church)???

In any event, this guy's right-wing creds continue to build. Taking his signed letter and his bookshelf into account, he was likely inspired by Michael Savage, O'Reilly, and Hannity.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

This thread already exists.

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=227499

Sorry, I posted that so early I guess I assumed I was the first...

MODS: Perhaps these threads can be merged?

:hatsoff:

 

[Facial_King]

A few thoughts, some of which I shouldn't need to say at all, but I will:

- Very few right-wingers are homicidal sociopaths (but I might say that far too many right-wingers can be subtly encouraging of such behavior - see my link below)
- The Unitarian-Universalist Church is very popular with liberals (hey, there's the makings for a stereotype!), as is the Quaker church (The Religious Society of Friends), and thus, unsurprisingly, they often take up liberal causes. This particular church has/had a "Gays Welcome sign (on it or out front).
- Some conservative Christian people are angered by Unitarian and Quaker churches not only for their liberal politics but also just their theology, which they describe as non-religious or even blasphemous to true Christianity. Having had some indirect experience with both churches it does seem that they could be described (and often are described, even by their own members) as church for for people who are not so religious, who are more secular, but appreciate a sense of spirituality.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

The Beatles were Charles Manson's inspiration; they were definitely on his reading list. So...? (There goes that broad paintbrush.)

I don't think the critique that a "broad paintbrush" is being used can be fairly applied here. Unlike the alleged Beatles-Manson connection (in which, it should be pointed out, the Beatles produced harmless music, regardless their inspiration, while Manson and Co. murdered people), a fine-tip brush could be used to connect extremely similar ideas and sentiments found in the books this guy owned (and I'm presuming, read - maybe he was more of a Savage and/or Beck and/or Limbaugh and/or O'Reilly LISTENER) and the ideas and sentiments that this guy put on paper in the little "manifesto" that the killer left in his SUV.

 

[Facial_King]

Obama ... has personal ambitions, always has a grievance to address .....

And for good measure . . he's a downright MARXIST. IMO.

How would it even be possible for one to become president without having "personal ambitions"?

And being part of ANY branch of government involves addressing the grievances of others? Look through any book of laws (remember the U.S. has long proudly proclaimed itself a nation of laws, not men) and you can see that they all are established to address or prevent a grievance of some sort.

I would love to see a detailed explanation of exactly how Obama is a Marxist. I would say that it's a pretty small percentage of Marxists who are happy with Obama and will consider even voting for the guy as a lesser evil come November.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/obam-j04.shtml

*note to uninitiated - I'm generally unimpressed by any politician, as the good one's are as scarce as hens teeth.
:dunno:

This opinion is hardly revelatory, regardless of where one stands on the political spectrum. But there certainly have been a lot of people satisfied with GWB (and voted for him twice for POTUS) and amazingly, what, about 20% still consider him to be a "good one" among politicians.

But if you require a politician to be devoid of personal ambition and to ignore (rather than address) the grievance of the citizenry in order to be a "good one" then I suspect you could never be satisfied in anything resembling a healthy democracy.

:2 cents:

 

[Member2019]

You utterly missed my point ...

Funny how you accuse me of "Broadly painting everyone" (which I wasn't)

You were "broadly painting everyone" in an "alleged group association."

and yet you do exactly that by using that tired old "bleeding heart liberal" line. Just a little hypocritical.

That was the exact point!
You "joined the same problem" with your statements.

People stereotype others they don't like, which is where the "right-winger" and "bleeding-heart-liberal" non-sense come from.
If people would stop to look at people individually, instead of labeling them and anyone else they think are of the same mindset, we wouldn't have this non-sense.

Also, you told me to "Consider what judgement does to all of us". I'm not quite sure what you mean. Whos judgement? And what does this "judgement" do to "all of us"??????

Your judgement.
You decided to look beyond just the person and at anyone you want to associate with him.

Apparently anyone who believes in God is capable of this, right?