God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope
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HE1FiNEARTiST
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Not really. Science requires theory because it rejects the suggestions of religious texts alone (or at all). Theological theory regarding the Big Bang isn't a theoretical theory at all. Judeo-Christian theology requires no theory; creation was explained in Genesis.
Quite frankly, what the Pope says would be considered blasphemous to every other Pope up until JPII.
It's a weird thing to witness. For generations, science was rejected and faith was offered in its stead. Now that the science can't be denied, the religious hierarchy are trying to marry faith to science while claiming science as Godly. It almost makes me think better of the Evangelicals who believe that early Hebrews rode dinosaurs.
Damn. I thought the "big bang" was something else entirely.
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I just read Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder about the eastern European zone between Russia and Germany up to World War II and during. People of vast faiths and many nationalities died by the many millions under the wrath of two human beings, it really made me think if there is a god too let so many innocent perish or called guilty without any involvement or action of a so called caring omnipotent being. But many say god just started the universe in its spin and others feel his presence every day life. Many people of faith and of gods so called creation were involved in vast murder as well, but they stood aside or participated in it actively . Many did this under the so called grip of evil of humanity which would later be laid upon them as well, others just moved on in their life with the overwhelming guilt or none at all.
Makes me think what faith is all about in many ways and what god entails.
Makes me think what faith is all about in many ways and what god entails.
I think too many people are missing the point. When many “Christian” religions are foolishly arguing against evolution and that the earth is less than 10k years old, the pope is acknowledging that science is correct, but that does not disprove God……which is obviously correct.
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
No, the Church is co-opting basic notions of scientific theory to shake off their fundamental values and beliefs that they have held for 2,200-1,700 years (depending on how you calculate Catholic philosophy). Beliefs now seen as archaic and laughable.
Science does disprove "God" in a conventional religious sense. Noah's arc, the great flood, the creation of man from dust and woman from dust's rib. None of that has any life in science. Nor does diverse language's origin from the attempt to build a giant mud-brick ziggurat.
The churches has depended on ignorance, guilt and grief for so long. Now they're prone to adopt anything that'll sustain coffers. These shenanigan sicken me, but I do enjoy the idea of it being a gasping last breath. And I am grateful that I'm among those who hear it.
I'm Serb Orthodox and there are things I don't see eye to eye with. However, I deeply respect the Orthodox Church especially it's culture.
You see it's allowed to have disagreements. In Islam this conversation wouldn't exist because you or I would be punished for our beliefs.
Another reason why Islam sucks and everything it competes with rules.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Exactly the point! Way back then, a group of people who felt the need for some higher being created a theory that soothed their minds. They seemed not to be able to make it on their own.
And to try to find proof for or against gods is just missing it. Gods are to be believed in, they cannot be proven.
This demotivational poster may look offensive, but I think it wraps it up:
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
This is an easy trap to fall into; while it's true that the chances of the variables lining up just so for life to form are incredibly low, you've got to look at the other part of the equation: there's an insane number of stars, an incredibly insane number of planets throughout our own galaxy alone, and near-infinitely more throughout the universe. Imagine playing the lottery with five times more lottery tickets than everybody else playing combined; your odds would actually be pretty good.
What's more, given that conditions change over time, the odds are that as new systems and planets form over billions and billions of years, life will form eventually. And here we are.
Sigmund Freud, of all people, wrote one of my favorite essays on why people felt God was necessary. It was regarding a fatherly figure complex - and it's pretty easy to see why people would need that sort of thing if you look into and study biology/nature at any depth. Life on earth is a vicious, uncaring and brutal cycle. Things get eaten alive, poisoned, implanted with spawn that burst from the insides, etc, all the time, constantly. And while some people like to think, 'Oh, they don't feel pain when that happens...' one must ask: is there any reason for them, evolutionarily speaking, not to?
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I think a large part of the problem with Izlom is those idiots who let the Quaran be read to them.
One of the greatest strengths of Orthodoxy is that it has always been ready to but the bible in the language of the followers, wether that language be Russian, Greek or whatever.
Of course Russian isn't the best example as Orthodoxy practically created the Russian alphabet, sorry about that
It does prove that only a complete idiot could believe in a literal translation of the bible, but that does not prove there is not a god.
GodsEmbryo
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In the beginning there was nothing and than god blew it up. Yep. That explains a few things about religion.
From the 'Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy'
(on the subject of the 'Babel Fish')
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
Hats of to the late Douglas Adams for writing such fantastic nonsense :hatsoff:
(on the subject of the 'Babel Fish')
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
Hats of to the late Douglas Adams for writing such fantastic nonsense :hatsoff:
There was many gods people once worshiped, now there is only one. Seems like deductions these days in the face of science.
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