a sad day in indianapolis...as a colt fan...this man is the true gentlemen of this league
Dungy retires after seven seasons in Indianapolis
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great man but I think he is overrated as a coach. He had the best defense in Tampa Bay and could not win a championship. The year he leaves, Tampa Bay wins the Super Bowl. Then for 7 seasons he has the best offense in the league and the greatest QB of his generation and only wins one title and makes it to only one other championship game. He is a very good coach. Not a great one and certainly not a Hall of Famer, like many are saying.
Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
He was truly one of the great one :glugglug: Man he had a great mind for defense:thumbsup:remember that great Tampa Bay defense
Sorry to see such a gentleman go.
He'll be back. I have to say that he's more known for those losses to the New England Patriots than for anything else...even the Super Bowl win is basically completely forgotten. Too bad that wasn't one of the greatest Super Bowls..I think it was a snorefest.
For a man of faith I will give him credit for keeping that part of his life separated from his coaching duties (for the most part). He is a far cry from Mike Singletary who seems to carry on the sideline like a hellfire and brimstone preacher and proudly shows off that massive cross....
For a man of faith I will give him credit for keeping that part of his life separated from his coaching duties (for the most part). He is a far cry from Mike Singletary who seems to carry on the sideline like a hellfire and brimstone preacher and proudly shows off that massive cross....
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
- Career record of 139-69-0
- Winning % of 66.83%, which is 7th best of all-time, I believe
- 1 Super Bowl victory
- 2 AFC Championship victories
- 10 straight playoff appearances by a head coach (NFL record)
- Teamed with Monte Kiffin to invent the Tampa 2 defense, which is one of the most copied and successful defenses of our era
- Took over as the head coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (who hadn't had a winning record for the previous 15 years) and turned them around into a serious franchise that could compete with any other team in the NFL
- Took over as the head coach for the Indianapolis Colts, who had an established offense, but no defense at all, and turned them into a team with one of the best pass defenses in the NFL
He has the 7th best winning % of all-time, but you don't think he's a great coach? He took his respective team to the playoffs for an NFL record 10 consecutive years, but you don't think he's a great coach? He took two seperate, weak franchises and turned them both into teams that nobody wants to play, but you don't think he's a great coach? He was the co-creator of the most feared and successful defensive scheme of our era, but you don't think he's a great coach?
I uh...I disagree. Tony Dungy is a great coach and the NFL (and all of it's fans) should consider themselves lucky to have seen such a great talent.
I have noticed that my definition of greatness, compared to other people's definitions, is usually more conservative. If Tony Dungey is a great coach, then so are Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher. I only consider these coaches very good coaches like Dungy, who have won Super Bowl(s) and have had many winning seasons. To me there are only a handful of greats in any sport. And usually there are only one or two of them in a given era.
So with that being said I would have to say that only coaches like Walsh, Johnson, Parcells and Bellicheck fit into my definition of the great coaches of the last 25 years.
That's almost the equivalent to saying unless a player is about as good as Jim Brown, Payton Manning, Walter Payton, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, or Joe Montana they don't belong in the hall of fame either. By that standard it would be almost empty. Plus you bring up Parcells who while good has always been overrated. I hope your not judging coaches mainly on Superbowl wins, because that wouldn't make any sense. I would say Dungy, Cowher, and Shanahan are all better than him. While a lot of people remember Holmgen for his years in Seattle, it's easy to forget his time in Green Bay where he was pretty good also. Plus if there is two good people per era who are the ones now. It seems like the would be Bilichick and........Tony Dungy.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
You used the argument before that Tony Dungy had an already established, great offense before he became the coach of the Colts, somehow acting like that takes away some sort of credibility that he has as a coach. Yet, you say that Bill Walsh is a great coach. You mean the same Bill Walsh who had an offense made up of a Pro Bowl type of roster? If anything, the offense that Bill Walsh had was even better than that of Tony Dungy's Colts, so I don't understand your definition of "great".
Then, to paraphrase, you say that you don't consider a coach to be "great" if they have a bunch of winning seasons and a few Super Bowl wins. Umm, what do you think Bill Parcells' career was like? He "only" had 2 Super Bowl wins in his 19 years of coaching; Tony Dungy had 1 Super Bowl in 8 less years. Yet, you say that Bill Parcells is great, but Tony Dungy is not.
The same goes for Jimmy Johnson. 2 Super Bowl wins, yet you claim he is great, but not Tony Dungy. Also, to further my confusion with your defintion of "great", you say that Jimmy Johnson is great, but not Mike Shanahan.
Jimmy Johnson has a career record of 89-68 (56.69%)
Mike Shanahan has a career record of 146-95 (60.58%) - better than Jimmy Johnson
Jimmy Johnson is one of only six NFL head coaches to win consecutive Super Bowls
Mike Shanahan is also one of only six NFL head coaches to win consecutive Super Bowls
Jimmy Johnson - Great
Mike Shanahan - Not?
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No, that's not what I am saying. I named 4 coaches over the last 25 years that I thought were great. What's wrong if we can apply that to every position in the game. For example, who besides Manning, Brady, Young, Aikman, Marino, Favre, Elway and Kelly should we include as a great QB over the last 25 years? Who else deserves to be up there with them? I just think that the "greatness" tag is applied too loosely sometimes.
I would say that both Cowher and Shanahan are a little better than Dungy and that Dungy is a little better than Holmgren. Dungy not being able to win in TB has almost been forgotten, like WTF. He had an amazing defense for years there.
Bill Walsh won 3 Super Bowls. He invented the West Coast Offense, and 2 of the coaches we are discussing were mentored by him. He is most certainly a great coach. Dungy on the other hand has been quoted as saying that the Tampa 2, is merely and adaptation of the Steelers' defense of the 70s.
Tony Dungy has won one championship while two time champion Jimmy Johnson could have won more if for not his fall out with Jerry Jones, as proved by Barry Switzer. Tony Dungy also had one of the greatest offenses of all-time, like Walsh and Johnson.
He couldn't win in TB, he leaves and they win it the next year. And as for Parcells he was great everywhere he went and he won with much less talent, like with the Jets and the Cowboys. He also took two different teams to the SB.
I do not see Shanahan as a great coach because he has not done anything impressive since Elway left.
I'm not saying that Dungy is a bad coach. I'm just saying that he is not a "great" coach and should not be in the Hall of Fame. Just my opinion.
i agree with you on this...tony is a great coach
he only coached one of the best qb's of all time...maybe the best...dont get me started on harrison...had a guy named edge james too...who was a beast...made that team what it is today...one of the most feared offensive teams in the league...tampa 2 cover...enough said...he wanted the fastest players on the field for defense...but i dont think he was the same after his son's death...but it's interseting who's going to coach the colts...with such star power with all the players they got...bill cowher? he said he wanted to coach a super bowl contender
He'll go into broadcasting for a few years, then he'll decide that he's still got a couple more seasons in him. We'll see him again. :thumbsup:
I don't know if anyone else here listens to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio...but he was arguing for the greatness of Andy Reid (Eagle's head coach) the other day. His point was, Superbowl wins are not the end all for judging if a coach is great or not. If that is the only standard...what we essentially say then, is the only way to be great is to always be at the very top of one's game...period. By that standard...unless everyone here is consistently the very BEST at what they do...we are all a bunch of losers.
Dungy is a great man...who also happened to have a career as an outstanding head coach in the NFL.
Dungy is a great man...who also happened to have a career as an outstanding head coach in the NFL.
Jim Caldwell has already replaced him. He was handpicked by Dungy as his successor last off season.
