Decline of the Porn Industry?

They say 2012 will be end of the world, but I think it's just the end of software piracy. Sex industry will go on because humans like sex, but it's just NOT cool to steal contents anymore, and I'm glad public mindsets are changing for the better. I'm just glad I've downloaded everything before 2012! So long suckerrrs! hahahaha :1orglaugh
 
The porn business has been in decline for a while. With all the financial problems work is becoming very hard to find, and those stupid politicians trying to bring in stupid ass laws every 5 minutes making it difficult to shoot good scenes. Porn these days for me is becoming very repetitive and boring, there doesn't seem to be anything new and exciting coming through. Plus with the major influx of new pornstars (which seems to be every 5 minutes) It's now becoming very difficult to make a name for themselves, because there's 20 girls who look exactly like them.

But as Zdenka said the industry will continue because people like it. But I will say this, I think American porn is on the way out because of all the laws and legislations the government are trying to impose. European porn though will continue, and get more and more popular because it has a lot more free range and less stringent laws.
 
^ very good point, there's more to the decline of porn than just people stealing content, the new laws and legislatin in the US are making it more and more difficult for producers to make a profitable business unlike before. Porn now needs to look at new and innovative ways to keep people interested.

It's sad that it has come to this, but like all good businesses it needs to evolve in order to avoid becoming obsolete, but as previously mentioned, people will always be interested in sex and porn in particular.

Long live porn!
 
^ very good point, there's more to the decline of porn than just people stealing content, the new laws and legislatin in the US are making it more and more difficult for producers to make a profitable business unlike before. Porn now needs to look at new and innovative ways to keep people interested.

It's sad that it has come to this, but like all good businesses it needs to evolve in order to avoid becoming obsolete, but as previously mentioned, people will always be interested in sex and porn in particular.

Long live porn!

Aye to that my friend, its not going to die whether It's in one form or another.
 
I'd say yes, it is declining. But people stealing content isn't the only reason.

What do you think are the other reasons? I think in the UK their is distinct lack of new material and stars coming out it seems like there are more from Asia and eastern europe. I wonder if home 3d porn is a way forward for home entertainment
 
oh and I don't agree that there are too many girls getting in the biz, what red blooded man don't wanna see some gorgeous girl naked??
 
It really seems like an incomplete article to me. There are no numbers, or facts, just a kind of general impression of the "decline" in the industry. Also, I think the boom years of porn have made producers and porn companies a bit greedy. Every other industry has had ups and downs, and there are ways to combat it. Of course, the pirating of illegal material is an issue, but I'm not so sure the numbers would be fantastic without people stealing porn. Porn is really expensive these days, and I think that most people would find other ways to spend their money. A DVD from a major production company, with major stars, costs $35-$45 these days with Blu Ray discs of the same content costing even more, and I think that for something with such low replay value, the cost outweighs the benefit for most consumers, and most would rather buy a video game, or something of similar cost with exponentially higher replay value.

Aside from that, basing conclusions on DVD sales, I think, is a pretty inaccurate representation of the industry as a whole. Online sites have pretty considerable membership fees, and the better sites have literally millions of members, thus, the online content is becoming more of a money maker than back end DVD sales, which for most companies are simply compilations of their online content. So if, say, Brazzers, has 1 million members (probably a VERY low estimate), and the average member is paying $15-$20/month for membership, that right there is a gross of $180-$240 million/year (with conservative estimates), with DVD sales of each of their individual network "sites" (Bit Tits at School or Hot & Mean, etc...) going for $25-$30/per and probably selling a significant number (maybe not as many as they used to, but at least 10's of thousands of copies, I would imagine) of each they are taking in pretty good money as a gross total. I know they may have a significant overhead, but with that type of gross income, there are substantial profits to be made if one manages that income efficiently.

I know Brazzers is only one (and probably one of the most successful) example, but there is a killing yet to be made in pornography. With Stream Mate, and other "cam" sites there is money to be made for individuals, and I can imagine that some of the better cam performers could make a pretty decent haul in a good days work. I think one of the problems with this story is that the market is flooded with shitty product and shitty production companies that are watering down the market place (shitty content, shitty performers, shitty directors, with bulk releases for less than average price) and keeping the larger, more historically successful companies from making as much money as they used to in the past by attracting customers away with a quantity over quality business model.

I have so many more thoughts on this, but in the sake of brevity, that pretty much sums up how I feel about it.
 
^ very good point, there's more to the decline of porn than just people stealing content, the new laws and legislatin in the US are making it more and more difficult for producers to make a profitable business unlike before. Porn now needs to look at new and innovative ways to keep people interested.

It's sad that it has come to this, but like all good businesses it needs to evolve in order to avoid becoming obsolete, but as previously mentioned, people will always be interested in sex and porn in particular.

Long live porn!

I agree 100%! Some of these companies were making ungodly amounts of money years ago, and i think their complacency is more than partly to blame for the state of the industry today. People will ALWAYS be interested in watching other people have sex, for the rest of the foreseeable future. Content providers do, yes, need to find more creative and evolving ways to distribute their content for pay.
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
What do you think are the other reasons? I think in the UK their is distinct lack of new material and stars coming out it seems like there are more from Asia and eastern europe. I wonder if home 3d porn is a way forward for home entertainment

Some reasons:

- Decent girls leaving the industry because they're being paid less and asked for more

- Decent girls leaving the industry because of how they're treated, both in their personal lives and in the profession, because of being in the industry

- More people are becoming more interested in porn like Met-Art, IFeelMyself, and Sex-Art, and there isn't nearly as much content out there of that style as there is of.... standard porn (I don't really know what else to call it.. dirty, nasty, insincere, repetitive, male audience driven porn)

- There are so many websites that allow anyone out there to upload their own personal homemade porn for free

- Tube sites and free porn are more commonly used than porn that you have to pay for, so there will be less work because there isn't enough money floating around within the business. Though of course that has to do with the article, so that's not really a different reason.

- Porn is so available and has so many varieties that a lot of viewers have gotten so used to it that they just want more, more, more, so the producers have to produce more, more, more, so they need more girls, more resources, more men, more ideas, and because of some of the above reasons I've mentioned, like tube sites dominating the market so there isn't enough money, more, more, more isn't possible. Audiences want free or cheap, and they're demanding more. Not enough people are willing to pay. Where does everyone expect this free or cheap content to come from if there isn't any money to fund the content?

- Girls aren't being paid enough in the industry, so they leave. New girls come in all the time, but many of them never stick around long enough for much to happen. A high turnover of workers isn't good. It's like any job- you have to train them (in porn, you have to get them used to what they're doing and they have to learn more and get comfortable), they have to be motivated, and once they're as good as they can possibly be, you want them to stick around. But then they leave, and you have to do it all over again with a new girl.

- Some producers and directors scare the girl away, are manipulative, abusive, lying, cheating bastards. Those bastards get a bad reputation by word of mouth, so less people are willing to work with them, and viewers won't view their material if they become aware of what's going on. As a result, some girls are scared off from the business altogether because of one bad experience, and audiences begin to question the industry.


I would also like to add, yes, porn is expensive- that's because it's expensive to make. It requires time, patience, sometimes it's painful, it's a lot of work, and it's extremely stressful. If it's getting more expensive now than it used to be, that's because since the audience is demanding more, performers are having to do more than they would like to do- their workload is increased significantly, so therefore they should be compensated more, should they not? It's also because of tube sites- there is so much free porn out there that it's hard to get anyone to join pay-sites. So since fewer people are joining pay-sites, and the performers are still putting as much work into the websites, they have to increase the prices to make it even out, to make it worthwhile.
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
I have another thing to add. I'm not necessarily blaming viewers for not paying for porn. This economy sucks. Rent is high, food costs are high, and overall, it's hard to make a living. With all of our monthly bills and payments, it's not always possible to pay for luxuries.

However, I still say that so much porn being easily accessible for free is a large part of why the industry is declining, for the reasons I stated in my previous post.
 

SabrinaDeep

Official Checked Star Member
Harley has many good points in there imo. But as i'm saying since a few years now, the disgrace of the porn industry is ignorance as in lack of education and culture. When porn flourished there were a lot of visionary people, real artists, often with a more than decent school and family education and somewhat a good business drive. Today most of the people involved in porn are a second generation and they are ignorant, deluded, empty shells who got in the industry only because during the golden years any piece of shit could put a site together and make money.

Wrong castings, awful scouting (yes i insist: if you get into porn just for the money, you should stay out of it), lack of vocation, short business sight, lack of respect, sharky business practices, unreliability, company reps who don't last longer than a few months in the same company, auto reference (huge, fatal mistake imo), weak self representation of the industry (the last condom and film permission thing in LA is a freaking joke), alleged top talent agents who don't even know how to dial a call overseas, admin reps who don't even know how to spell Sabrina on a legal contract...free porn is bad, yes, but it's the last of the problems for this industry, believe me. We need a human resources change and this crisis might just do the trick.
 

Shifty

O.G.
C'mon let's be real here and not make 'the porn industry' out to be anything more than it is. It's not in decline. It's the same as it always has been.

Smart people can make money doing anything, and porn is no exception.

$150 per scene? On average, how many hours does a scene take to shoot? Seems like a waste of time to me. :2 cents:
 
That's a great thread. It's nice to see some OCMS debating here...
I wish I lived in the US...I really try to support my favourite girls and sites but it's really hard since I do not even live there to buy stuff or subscribe to sites...

I have no idea how we could do this but I think there should be a way to make the stars and the audicence (tose that really matters) to find a balance that could make everybody happy. Music industry thought they could do that by "cutting" the record label (Megabox my Megaupload would be something like this, no?). I wonder if we should look at this as an example...
 

Harley Spencer

Official Checked Star Member
C'mon let's be real here and not make 'the porn industry' out to be anything more than it is. It's not in decline. It's the same as it always has been.

Smart people can make money doing anything, and porn is no exception.

$150 per scene? On average, how many hours does a scene take to shoot? Seems like a waste of time to me. :2 cents:

That $150/scene was a quote for what a guy would make. Women make much more money per scene than that. Well, of course it all depends on who you're working for. Some people pay more than others. When I did guy/girl porn, the guys I shot with did it for free- they just wanted to get their jollies off with a hot girl.
 
The porn industry is built on lies, greed, corruption and exploitation...Most of the sex is faked and boring with horrible camaera angles and lighting, and no chemistry between the actors...There is not now, nor has there ever been (except for perhaps during the "Golden Age Of Porn"), any effort to make a truly quality product...Instead, they continue to produce the same garbage which consumers repeatedly say they don't like...and instead try to dictate to the consumer what they MUST take...

Instead of buliding the Adult movie business on the talent, ability, and competance of established Pornstars and capable innovative directors...The companies continuously go and get cheap hack directors and young girls that don't know what they are doing, but are easily exploited and work inexpensively...then they get rid of them after a few months...after making a handful of mundane scenes that are marginally marketable only because of the youth of the actresses...

Then porn companies sell and re-sell these fake garbage scenes a million different times on a million different websites and on a million diffrent DVD's with different titles and packaging to make it look new and original...but in reality, its just a myriad of different rip-offs and misepresentations that make the consumer resentful and distrustful of the entire industy and anyone involved with it.

Even webcam sites like Streamate are a blatant rip-off advertising free membership which is an absolute lie...because as soon as you join, they immediately start charging you additional fees on your credit card that are nowhere presented in their on-line "contract/agreement" which really is just a bunch of crap...

The whole porn industry predominantly sells sexism, racsim, ignorance and nastiness...erroneously equating good sex and free sexual expression with evil and dirtiness (Thus the existence of companies like Devils Films, Evil Angel, etc.).... and the resulting product is a pathetic and disgusting hodge podge of spitting/vomitting, mysogonistic violence, and fake moaning/and grunting that is continuously getting worse..

So the consumer gets sick of all the extreme "badness" in porn and sales suffer....Then instead of actually making a better product, the industry blames its dwindling viewer base for its own business incompetance..Finally, as a last straw of lunacy, apparently to destroy the free trade of used porn, an almost worthless depreciating asset with NO consumer re-sale value whatsoever, The Porn industry, in it's infinte wisdom, attempts to side with conservative government and law enforcement entities whos' ultimate goal is to shut down ALL porn and/or prostitution....

All of this rampant incompetance and bizarre decision making, and yet still the porn industry has the audacity to wonder why their business is going into the tank...remarkable !
 
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