Decline of the Porn Industry?

[passaro]

Eric I think you do have a strong point there. Yet I state to what I said.
There should be something to be done that could make both the audience and the stars happy.

I couldn't agree more with almost everything you said specially the part of the same garbage all the time and the "resulting product is a pathetic and disgusting hodge podge of spitting/vomitting, mysogonistic violence, and fake moaning/and grunting that is continuously getting worse.."

To make both audience and pornstars happy the scenes should be worth it at least. Harley Spencer talked about the growing interest of sites like MetArt and IFeelMyself and I have to say: those sites do attract a lot of people because they bring something new, something different. It doesn't has to be some dirty, "male-based" sex that everyone is tired of and has millions of scenes to watch. It has to be something simply better, with more quality and less fake things.

I simply can't believe how many studios and sites are still betting on the same crap over and over and over again with hundreds of releases that are pretty much the same thing. Some people have to look over it and bring new - and more important - better stuff to the screen.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

There's room for every taste, eric and passaro. I like to swallow 80 loads of cum at a time or to be fucked hard in both holes and there are people who like to watch that. The problem comes when a girl who does not like that still does that, when a producer casts such a girl, when the male actor involved has already shot 5 scenes in the day and he's stuffed with viagra to try and barely hold erection while sweatting like a pig and being everything but exciting and the "genius" director calls for a double penetration scene. Just to make you an example. It's not what you shoot, it's who shoots it and how, who casts for it, who distributes, who gives prizes for that scene and its related actors etc etc....

 

[Mandy Flores]

C'mon let's be real here and not make 'the porn industry' out to be anything more than it is. It's not in decline. It's the same as it always has been.

Smart people can make money doing anything, and porn is no exception.

$150 per scene? On average, how many hours does a scene take to shoot? Seems like a waste of time to me. :2 cents:

This is 100% true. There are too many girls who can't seem to figure out where to go and what to do for themselves. I accidently stumbled into this industry. My boyfriend for a joke decided to have me list my panties on Craigslist for sale in the personals section. They sold for $60 bucks. Started to look around for another legitamite place to sell them, found it, and did not sell them for under a certain amount. I did not make a killing at first, but I noticed that I would get requests for other items....socks, bras, pantyhose.....and then more interesting stuff....bathroom garbage, toenail clippings, my hair out of the tub drain....on to worse stuff. Other girls I've introduced to the what I know have doen exactly what most girls do in this industry...they can't do for themselves, they'd rather get paid for their part in someone else figuring out the hard stuff. After a bit I had found that I could sell the panties or other items, take pictures and video of them in action, and sell the videos and use the pics for promotion on other sites. Youtube is an incredible source of free promotion, it's shocking how many millions of veiws just my feet videos got. I figured out how to turn that into a revenue stream. Instead of having some guy or porn producer pay me to make videos I would offer custom videos for individuals and make them myself, with an assistant, and sell it directly. Then I place the video on a clip selling site, really more for storage than anything else, but in time someone would come along and be like "that's exactly the type of clip I was looking for" and they would buy it directly. Regular porn doesn't sell well, there's just too much of it for free, but the interesting fetish stuff....cuckhold, humilliation, custom made for individuals...all sorts of types...that sells well! I can tell you I made close to $20 an hour managing a little business 2 years ago, full time. While I was doing that full time I began this work. I quit that job at the beggining of 2011 and now make in a month what I made in an entire year of full time work there, month after month. I haven't even had the exposure that a lot of girls have had working fo rthe big producers, i was lucky to get into Playboy and get a boost from that exposure. Only one of the girls I have shown what i do has actually taken the initiative to do something with it...Ava Brynt...and guess what? She found out last September...and quit her job in April because she is making enough to go full time on herself now. You don't have to be perfect looking, or blessed with enormous tits, you just have to have a brain and some drive, and be willing to learn! Teach yourself! anything you need to learn from HTML to video editing is out there to learn for free. I did it. I feel bad for the girls who are making so many videos and shooting so much content that someone else will own. They get paid once and that's it. If they're not working they are broke.

 

[passaro]

You really got some points here Sabrina: "I like to swallow 80 loads of cum at a time or to be fucked hard in both holes"

But you're right. I agree that there's room for every kind of porn because there's audicente for all of those kinds. And you're absolutely right too when you say it's all about who shoots and how they shoot. And there's the problem. I think this discussion can go on and on and we still are not going to find the best sollutions. The thing is that it's impossible to a business not to crack when you put someone like that male actor you described above to work. It is not going to be a good scene. It is not going to be a quality scene.

The thing is that even though you may like what you do (and I really glad about it) there are many girls that only cares about money and doing things as quicky as possible. Even worse are the directors, studios and sites that works on that way. Scene after scene after scene with the same recipe. And the worst thing is that somehow I do respect and understand when this happens. It's the girl job. I'm not sure if she even likes to fuck a bunch of men and women for money and public view.

Seriously Sabrina how do you rate the amount of scenes with real orgasms? 20%? More? Less?

It's a little bit off topic but I would also like to put this...Some sites put on some interviews that are ridiculous. I'm a true porn fan and I have to say that I hate some fake stupid stories some pornstars tell on those "real" interviews. We see pornstars that are 26, 27 claiming they are 19, 20 and telling college nasty stories. It's ridiculous. It may be cool and sexy to people that knows nothing about the porn world but I think real fans deserves more respect...after all I do think the real fans are the one that supports the industry the most. I would really like to hear a true pornstar talks about this...

 

[eric2136]

There's room for every taste, eric and passaro. I like to swallow 80 loads of cum at a time or to be fucked hard in both holes and there are people who like to watch that. The problem comes when a girl who does not like that still does that, when a producer casts such a girl, when the male actor involved has already shot 5 scenes in the day and he's stuffed with viagra to try and barely hold erection while sweatting like a pig and being everything but exciting and the "genius" director calls for a double penetration scene. Just to make you an example. It's not what you shoot, it's who shoots it and how, who casts for it, who distributes, who gives prizes for that scene and its related actors etc etc....

You make some excellent points, Sabrina, regarding "who" directs/distributes, etc, and "how" they do it, as opposed to actual the "content" itself.... and I agree with you and Passaro, and those others who basically are saying "different strokes for different folks"...i.e...Different people have different porn needs, likes and dislikes, and there should be a place for everyone...basic supply and demand...

Especially in regards to independent business people like Mandy who can successfully specialize her product and cater to specific niches of fans that really love what she does..I think that's GREAT, and is an example of what larger companies must attempt to do if they want to survive in today's porn market ...

The larger porn companies who produce the majority of porn videos, always seem to be complaining about declining business, eventhough they tend to try to dictate to the consumer what to buy, rather than striving to provide what the consumer specifically asks for...

I've read many threads, on this and other forums, where the most hardcore knowledegable porn fans discuss what they like and don't like... and yet porn producers often seem to do just the opposite of what consumers expressly say they want, or don't want !....Well that's fine for those companies, I guess, as long as they can make money with that philosophy...but don't come blaming me, the consumer, when stuff that I already said I don't want isn't selling...

I was always taught that the consumer is always right...that you conduct business and treat people with respect...reward competence and ability ...raise the level of the industry with your work, and leave it in a better state then you found it..

If the porn industry's business model works different than that, that's fine as long as its successful...but don't think you can put out cheap repetitive mind-numbing crap, and shift the blame to the consumer when the industry as a whole suffers because of lagging sales...

I think the porn industry may have gotten a false sense of confidence and accomplishment over the years, because, let's face it, in the past it was hard not to make money creating and selling porn, regardless of the quality...But the economic landscape of the industry has changed....Consumers have become more sophisticated, and, as Harley mentioned, have alot more options for obtaining porn. Additionally, consumers have become somewhat jaded by years of abuse, and a saturated market...

So maybe some of these porn companies need to wake up and smell the coffee...If they can't compete, don't blame the consumers or anybody else...blame themselves for mismanaging and destroying a "cash cow" industry with incompetance, greed, and deceit.

Porn companies must re-discover who their target audience is for their specific type of porn... ask that audience specifically what they want most ...and then give it to them...company's that work to do this the best can prosper... the rest will increasingly struggle.

 

[tartanterrier]

I wonder whats happened to that "Gay for Pay" guy.Should be interesting

 

[essexy]

Thanks for all the input in this thread guys!

 

[viGnoS]

Webcam work is one of the few kinds of content that can't be pirated, since it's live and interactive.

For many performers, the movies are now a sideline and a kind of advertising for their main business of prostitution.

I particularly agree with these quotes, I can't count the number of great pornstar that are now stuck in escort & webcam activity.

Porn has evolved, customers always want more, better, dirtier and bigger. It put a big pressure over producers & performers which can make them willing to do "easier" things.

But the whole society has evolved this way, you can't do anything against piracy, there will always be, business will just adapt...

 

[Maggie Green]

Some reasons:

- Decent girls leaving the industry because they're being paid less and asked for more

- Decent girls leaving the industry because of how they're treated, both in their personal lives and in the profession, because of being in the industry

- More people are becoming more interested in porn like Met-Art, IFeelMyself, and Sex-Art, and there isn't nearly as much content out there of that style as there is of.... standard porn (I don't really know what else to call it.. dirty, nasty, insincere, repetitive, male audience driven porn)

- There are so many websites that allow anyone out there to upload their own personal homemade porn for free

- Tube sites and free porn are more commonly used than porn that you have to pay for, so there will be less work because there isn't enough money floating around within the business. Though of course that has to do with the article, so that's not really a different reason.

- Porn is so available and has so many varieties that a lot of viewers have gotten so used to it that they just want more, more, more, so the producers have to produce more, more, more, so they need more girls, more resources, more men, more ideas, and because of some of the above reasons I've mentioned, like tube sites dominating the market so there isn't enough money, more, more, more isn't possible. Audiences want free or cheap, and they're demanding more. Not enough people are willing to pay. Where does everyone expect this free or cheap content to come from if there isn't any money to fund the content?

- Girls aren't being paid enough in the industry, so they leave. New girls come in all the time, but many of them never stick around long enough for much to happen. A high turnover of workers isn't good. It's like any job- you have to train them (in porn, you have to get them used to what they're doing and they have to learn more and get comfortable), they have to be motivated, and once they're as good as they can possibly be, you want them to stick around. But then they leave, and you have to do it all over again with a new girl.

- Some producers and directors scare the girl away, are manipulative, abusive, lying, cheating bastards. Those bastards get a bad reputation by word of mouth, so less people are willing to work with them, and viewers won't view their material if they become aware of what's going on. As a result, some girls are scared off from the business altogether because of one bad experience, and audiences begin to question the industry.


I would also like to add, yes, porn is expensive- that's because it's expensive to make. It requires time, patience, sometimes it's painful, it's a lot of work, and it's extremely stressful. If it's getting more expensive now than it used to be, that's because since the audience is demanding more, performers are having to do more than they would like to do- their workload is increased significantly, so therefore they should be compensated more, should they not? It's also because of tube sites- there is so much free porn out there that it's hard to get anyone to join pay-sites. So since fewer people are joining pay-sites, and the performers are still putting as much work into the websites, they have to increase the prices to make it even out, to make it worthwhile.

Great post!

 

[Maggie Green]

And as for the person that said Brazzers probably has millions of members...why do you think that? Most of their content is out there for free like everything else.

 

[essexy]

And as for the person that said Brazzers probably has millions of members...why do you think that? Most of their content is out there for free like everything else.

I was a member of passion HD for a few months as I've started to become more interested in this type of content (e.g. met-art etc..) and loved the work until I found a tube site showing all the scenes for free makes me think they aren't securing the content well enough especially to justify the GBP30.00 a month fee perhaps they should be investing in secure web tech

 

[Harley Spencer]

You make some excellent points, Sabrina, regarding "who" directs/distributes, etc, and "how" they do it, as opposed to actual the "content" itself.... and I agree with you and Passaro, and those others who basically are saying "different strokes for different folks"...i.e...Different people have different porn needs, likes and dislikes, and there should be a place for everyone...basic supply and demand...

Especially in regards to independent business people like Mandy who can successfully specialize her product and cater to specific niches of fans that really love what she does..I think that's GREAT, and is an example of what larger companies must attempt to do if they want to survive in today's porn market ...

The larger porn companies who produce the majority of porn videos, always seem to be complaining about declining business, eventhough they tend to try to dictate to the consumer what to buy, rather than striving to provide what the consumer specifically asks for...

I've read many threads, on this and other forums, where the most hardcore knowledegable porn fans discuss what they like and don't like... and yet porn producers often seem to do just the opposite of what consumers expressly say they want, or don't want !....Well that's fine for those companies, I guess, as long as they can make money with that philosophy...but don't come blaming me, the consumer, when stuff that I already said I don't want isn't selling...

I was always taught that the consumer is always right...that you conduct business and treat people with respect...reward competence and ability ...raise the level of the industry with your work, and leave it in a better state then you found it..

If the porn industry's business model works different than that, that's fine as long as its successful...but don't think you can put out cheap repetitive mind-numbing crap, and shift the blame to the consumer when the industry as a whole suffers because of lagging sales...

I think the porn industry may have gotten a false sense of confidence and accomplishment over the years, because, let's face it, in the past it was hard not to make money creating and selling porn, regardless of the quality...But the economic landscape of the industry has changed....Consumers have become more sophisticated, and, as Harley mentioned, have alot more options for obtaining porn. Additionally, consumers have become somewhat jaded by years of abuse, and a saturated market...

So maybe some of these porn companies need to wake up and smell the coffee...If they can't compete, don't blame the consumers or anybody else...blame themselves for mismanaging and destroying a "cash cow" industry with incompetance, greed, and deceit.

Porn companies must re-discover who their target audience is for their specific type of porn... ask that audience specifically what they want most ...and then give it to them...company's that work to do this the best can prosper... the rest will increasingly struggle.

Asking the consumers what they want to see isn't always that easy. I've asked every single one of my members for feedback and suggestions about my website- what they like, what they dislike, what they think I could do to improve (things that are within my limits, which are made pretty clear on my website), things they'd like to see, etc. Not many have responded. There was even a time when I sent out an email to all of my members, specifically asking for feedback, offering a free 1 month membership in return for some simple feedback. I think maybe 1 member responded.

I could ask people on here what they like and dislike in porn, which I actually have done before. It was a long time ago, and some people got a little carried away with what they look for in a girl rather than what they look for in a girl who does porn. I even got carried away with that myself.
There is also the thread on here about what turns people off instantly in porn, which is an interesting thread. I've skimmed through it and have even made comments on some of the points made, but I think I might sit down one of these days and read through the entire thread.

It's also hard for me to ask a general audience what they look for in porn because of what I do. I only do solo and g/g (though I have yet to do any g/g for my site, as I haven't had the opportunity), I don't do webcam, and I don't do dirty talk- matter fact, I hardly talk at all, especially not in videos. I just recently started doing video, because as much as I really despised doing videos and was extremely uncomfortable doing them, my website hasn't made much progress within the year that it's been up. It was time to do something about it. I released 2 videos a couple days ago, and so far I haven't gotten any new members because of it, even though that's what a lot of people were complaining that I don't do. Of course I have to give it time, so hopefully within the next month or so, my website takes off with more traffic. I will be so disappointed if it doesn't, as I'm still offering my website with videos and photos for the same price as I was with just photos, it's been up for a year, I seriously stepped way out of my comfort zone to do videos and am proud of myself for it, so overall it will be a disappointment if something doesn't change for the better. But... sadly, there's not a whole lot I can do about it.

As for the consumer/customer always being right, yes, that is the general business practice, but that doesn't apply to everything. The consumer is always right until they are wrong. I completely understand what you're saying, and for the longest time I wouldn't dare oppose that philosophy, but in reality, no one person is always right and the customer is not always right. The customer should simply be treated with respect and common courtesy, we should listen to what they have to say, take their thoughts into honest consideration, and it should also be the other way around- customers should treat us with the same respect as we treat them with, and they should also listen to what we have to say and be willing to compromise. I could seriously go on and on about this topic of consumer vs. supplier, but I won't, otherwise I'll really start getting off the topic of porn!

 

[Maggie Green]

Asking the consumers what they want to see isn't always that easy. I've asked every single one of my members for feedback and suggestions about my website- what they like, what they dislike, what they think I could do to improve (things that are within my limits, which are made pretty clear on my website), things they'd like to see, etc. Not many have responded. There was even a time when I sent out an email to all of my members, specifically asking for feedback, offering a free 1 month membership in return for some simple feedback. I think maybe 1 member responded.

I could ask people on here what they like and dislike in porn, which I actually have done before. It was a long time ago, and some people got a little carried away with what they look for in a girl rather than what they look for in a girl who does porn. I even got carried away with that myself.
There is also the thread on here about what turns people off instantly in porn, which is an interesting thread. I've skimmed through it and have even made comments on some of the points made, but I think I might sit down one of these days and read through the entire thread.

It's also hard for me to ask a general audience what they look for in porn because of what I do. I only do solo and g/g (though I have yet to do any g/g for my site, as I haven't had the opportunity), I don't do webcam, and I don't do dirty talk- matter fact, I hardly talk at all, especially not in videos. I just recently started doing video, because as much as I really despised doing videos and was extremely uncomfortable doing them, my website hasn't made much progress within the year that it's been up. It was time to do something about it. I released 2 videos a couple days ago, and so far I haven't gotten any new members because of it, even though that's what a lot of people were complaining that I don't do. Of course I have to give it time, so hopefully within the next month or so, my website takes off with more traffic. I will be so disappointed if it doesn't, as I'm still offering my website with videos and photos for the same price as I was with just photos, it's been up for a year, I seriously stepped way out of my comfort zone to do videos and am proud of myself for it, so overall it will be a disappointment if something doesn't change for the better. But... sadly, there's not a whole lot I can do about it.

As for the consumer/customer always being right, yes, that is the general business practice, but that doesn't apply to everything. The consumer is always right until they are wrong. I completely understand what you're saying, and for the longest time I wouldn't dare oppose that philosophy, but in reality, no one person is always right and the customer is not always right. The customer should simply be treated with respect and common courtesy, we should listen to what they have to say, take their thoughts into honest consideration, and it should also be the other way around- customers should treat us with the same respect as we treat them with, and they should also listen to what we have to say and be willing to compromise. I could seriously go on and on about this topic of consumer vs. supplier, but I won't, otherwise I'll really start getting off the topic of porn!

Plus, ask one person what they like and it will be totally different from someone else's opinion. For every guy that asks for more close-ups in vids, someone else wants more full body shots. It's impossible to keep everyone happy all of the time so it's all about trying to do what you think most people will enjoy most of the time.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I don't do dirty talk- matter fact, I hardly talk at all, especially not in videos.

Talking to fans is paramount. Posting 1000 times in a forum won't match 3 words on video. Email does not work until you've got 1000's of members and then you'll get some responses from someone. Webcam is also paramount. I don't necessarily mean paid webcam. I mean showing yourself on webcam for your members and sometimes even for all your fans and talking to them, showing off, putting a show on for them, interact with them. Talking dirty is not important...you gotta be who you are. Usually i don't talk dirty. But your fans might like to talk dirty to you.

Going solo without shooting heavily in porn valley is a tough, long work and it requires what i call PPL: biz planning, patience and love for the job. I made a 5 years long biz plan 5 years ago when i entered the biz and i've seen hundreds of people who were telling me that i wouldn't have lasted a season to disappear from the biz, while i'm here making a biz plan for the next 5 years, right these days.
People still spend for porn if you make it a very personal thing and with patience, love and planning (and hard work, meaning with hard work 10-14 hours a day at least for me) you can still reach membership numbers with 3 digits.
But talking to members and fans is paramount. Don't be afraid of your fans. They won't hurt you. They will make you.

 

[Harley Spencer]

Talking to fans is paramount. Posting 1000 times in a forum won't match 3 words on video. Email does not work until you've got 1000's of members and then you'll get some responses from someone. Webcam is also paramount. I don't necessarily mean paid webcam. I mean showing yourself on webcam for your members and sometimes even for all your fans and talking to them, showing off, putting a show on for them, interact with them. Talking dirty is not important...you gotta be who you are. Usually i don't talk dirty. But your fans might like to talk dirty to you.

Going solo without shooting heavily in porn valley is a tough, long work and it requires what i call PPL: biz planning, patience and love for the job. I made a 5 years long biz plan 5 years ago when i entered the biz and i've seen hundreds of people who were telling me that i wouldn't have lasted a season to disappear from the biz, while i'm here making a biz plan for the next 5 years, right these days.
People still spend for porn if you make it a very personal thing and with patience, love and planning (and hard work, meaning with hard work 10-14 hours a day at least for me) you can still reach membership numbers with 3 digits.
But talking to members and fans is paramount. Don't be afraid of your fans. They won't hurt you. They will make you.

I don't talk in videos because I'm not comfortable with it. It's not who I am. I can't so much as say, "Oh, you like that?" or something else similarly simple without it feeling ridiculously fake and making me feel awkward. My whole plan for my website and my videos is to keep it real, natural, sincere. Being uncomfortable with talking for videos is one of the biggest reasons why I quit shooting videos in the first place. That's what everyone wants to see, people want to hear you talk, they want to hear your voice, and so the people that I worked with who shot videos of me were constantly trying to force it on me. I hated it. It was too much stress for me. I can't do something that I'm not comfortable with. If I did start doing webcam and start talking in videos, I would absolutely hate it, and while it might bring some more traffic while it's going on, I would get sick of it very quickly and in the end, I would probably quit again because it's too much anxiety for me.

Even doing something as simple as filming myself, or having someone else film me, having a conversation with a friend sitting down at a restaurant would make me uncomfortable.

I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I'm happy, I will continue to do it. If I become anxious, paranoid, overly stressed, etc. then I will stop doing it. Lots of people are saying that they want the actors and actresses to be more believable, less fake, more natural, they want to see them legitimately enjoying themselves. So that's what I'm doing. Then there are people who think I need to talk and do this and do that- well that's not natural for me and that's not me enjoying myself. So what do people want, do they want genuine enjoyment or do they want me to fake everything? Doing webcam and talking is fake for me. I'm not saying it's fake for the people who do it, because it's not- if it's what you enjoy, then that's your thing.

I'm not going to live up to everyone's standards of what they think should be done in porn. I'm not going to do what I'm not comfortable doing just to please someone else. I'm going to do me, and I'm doing it for myself and for anyone else who cares. That's what matters to me. My personal sanity and happiness. If not doing webcam and not talking for my fans or members is going to hurt me financially, fine. I'm ok with that. I'd rather be happy and doing what I enjoy.

You wanna know how many members I have right now? 8. Me reaching 3 digits would be absolutely crazy, let alone 2 digits. It's never gone much more than 8 members at any given time. Yeah, it sucks that I'm putting as much work as I am into my website and not getting nearly as much money out of it as I should be, but it is what it is. Clearly I enjoy what I'm doing, or else I would have called my website quits a long time ago.

Oh and Sabrina, I'm not saying any of this as an attitude toward you, I really like you, I think you're absolutely awesome, honestly. I just feel very passionate about what I do.

 

[Facetious]

I'd say that we have too much of a good thing on our hands :rubbel: :1orglaugh...

Facebook is fizzling as well, thank you very much.

It's like that awesome all you can eat buffet at the casino in South Lake Tahoe where everything is the best
of the best... eat there enough times and everything begins to look the same... the same thing is happening in this instance with the p* industry, there's so much of it that we begin to burn out.
Can you say jaded?

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I don't talk in videos because I'm not comfortable with it. It's not who I am. I can't so much as say, "Oh, you like that?" or something else similarly simple without it feeling ridiculously fake and making me feel awkward. My whole plan for my website and my videos is to keep it real, natural, sincere. Being uncomfortable with talking for videos is one of the biggest reasons why I quit shooting videos in the first place. That's what everyone wants to see, people want to hear you talk, they want to hear your voice, and so the people that I worked with who shot videos of me were constantly trying to force it on me. I hated it. It was too much stress for me. I can't do something that I'm not comfortable with. If I did start doing webcam and start talking in videos, I would absolutely hate it, and while it might bring some more traffic while it's going on, I would get sick of it very quickly and in the end, I would probably quit again because it's too much anxiety for me.

Even doing something as simple as filming myself, or having someone else film me, having a conversation with a friend sitting down at a restaurant would make me uncomfortable.

I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I'm happy, I will continue to do it. If I become anxious, paranoid, overly stressed, etc. then I will stop doing it. Lots of people are saying that they want the actors and actresses to be more believable, less fake, more natural, they want to see them legitimately enjoying themselves. So that's what I'm doing. Then there are people who think I need to talk and do this and do that- well that's not natural for me and that's not me enjoying myself. So what do people want, do they want genuine enjoyment or do they want me to fake everything? Doing webcam and talking is fake for me. I'm not saying it's fake for the people who do it, because it's not- if it's what you enjoy, then that's your thing.

I'm not going to live up to everyone's standards of what they think should be done in porn. I'm not going to do what I'm not comfortable doing just to please someone else. I'm going to do me, and I'm doing it for myself and for anyone else who cares. That's what matters to me. My personal sanity and happiness. If not doing webcam and not talking for my fans or members is going to hurt me financially, fine. I'm ok with that. I'd rather be happy and doing what I enjoy.

You wanna know how many members I have right now? 8. Me reaching 3 digits would be absolutely crazy, let alone 2 digits. It's never gone much more than 8 members at any given time. Yeah, it sucks that I'm putting as much work as I am into my website and not getting nearly as much money out of it as I should be, but it is what it is. Clearly I enjoy what I'm doing, or else I would have called my website quits a long time ago.

Oh and Sabrina, I'm not saying any of this as an attitude toward you, I really like you, I think you're absolutely awesome, honestly. I just feel very passionate about what I do.

You should definitely keep doing what you like. I said what i said because you seemed concerned about traffic not increasing and about poor fans feedback to your emails.
Too many girls do what they don't like...i'm happy that you are not going there

 

[luis1972]

just temporal crisis

 

[eric2136]

I don't talk in videos because I'm not comfortable with it. It's not who I am. I can't so much as say, "Oh, you like that?" or something else similarly simple without it feeling ridiculously fake and making me feel awkward. My whole plan for my website and my videos is to keep it real, natural, sincere. Being uncomfortable with talking for videos is one of the biggest reasons why I quit shooting videos in the first place. That's what everyone wants to see, people want to hear you talk, they want to hear your voice, and so the people that I worked with who shot videos of me were constantly trying to force it on me. I hated it. It was too much stress for me. I can't do something that I'm not comfortable with. If I did start doing webcam and start talking in videos, I would absolutely hate it, and while it might bring some more traffic while it's going on, I would get sick of it very quickly and in the end, I would probably quit again because it's too much anxiety for me.

Even doing something as simple as filming myself, or having someone else film me, having a conversation with a friend sitting down at a restaurant would make me uncomfortable.

I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I'm happy, I will continue to do it. If I become anxious, paranoid, overly stressed, etc. then I will stop doing it. Lots of people are saying that they want the actors and actresses to be more believable, less fake, more natural, they want to see them legitimately enjoying themselves. So that's what I'm doing. Then there are people who think I need to talk and do this and do that- well that's not natural for me and that's not me enjoying myself. So what do people want, do they want genuine enjoyment or do they want me to fake everything? Doing webcam and talking is fake for me. I'm not saying it's fake for the people who do it, because it's not- if it's what you enjoy, then that's your thing.

I'm not going to live up to everyone's standards of what they think should be done in porn. I'm not going to do what I'm not comfortable doing just to please someone else. I'm going to do me, and I'm doing it for myself and for anyone else who cares. That's what matters to me. My personal sanity and happiness. If not doing webcam and not talking for my fans or members is going to hurt me financially, fine. I'm ok with that. I'd rather be happy and doing what I enjoy.

You wanna know how many members I have right now? 8. Me reaching 3 digits would be absolutely crazy, let alone 2 digits. It's never gone much more than 8 members at any given time. Yeah, it sucks that I'm putting as much work as I am into my website and not getting nearly as much money out of it as I should be, but it is what it is. Clearly I enjoy what I'm doing, or else I would have called my website quits a long time ago.

Oh and Sabrina, I'm not saying any of this as an attitude toward you, I really like you, I think you're absolutely awesome, honestly. I just feel very passionate about what I do.

I think its important for anyone and/or everyone doing porn to stay within their comfort zone first and foremost. Most of my comments were directed towards the larger porn companies who have the resources to put out a product that consumers really want, but instead produce a lesser quality product mainly to maximize their profits in the short-run, with less regard for the health of the overall industry in the long run..

Regarding smaller independent proprietors such as yourself, I think it may always be somewhat tougher, especially at the beginning, if you aren't comfortable doing some of the things that other models may do to get attention and chase down that almighty dollar. Most small businesses don't make it past the first year, regardless of the industry, so the fact that you are still here working on what you do is already a success in itself !

8 members may not be alot compared to some people but its a start !...... alot of people who say they want to be models/Pornstars never even get a website going ! Given your likes and dislikes, I think you might need to prepare yourself for a slower rate of growth, and thus keep operating costs as low as possible so that you aren't always operating in the red. That way you can be more patient and allow your site to grow at a slower steady pace that you are comfortable with.

I like what Sabrina said about starting with a 5 year plan and building from there...I think also Mandy has expressed some good information about ways that she has worked to build her clientele....I think the key is to keep working and staying positive...as long as you are being productive and enjoying what you do, you give yourself a great chance at being even more successful in the long -run !

As for the consumer always being right, I stand by what I said there, I think the key is developing a target audience based on what you do, and then knowing what gets your target audience off the best...Noone can be everything for everybody, and I don't think that is the goal of any good business, especially not any good small business...But people who like you and what you do want to see certain things....I know me personally I love g/g porn, but I would say 99% of what I see sucks IMO...

So I think if, over time, you can tap into what is missing within your specialty areas, and/or what you have to offer that is unique and not already being done, then you will be well on your way to establishing an identity and presence within the industry that could serve you well for many years to come !

 

[passaro]

Hey everybody! I think we really get this thread to a great direction!
Sincerely, I think that's why we should have foruns and discussions all around the internet. To be honest when I first get to Freeones I thought that every girl topic would not be only pictures/videos but information and conversation between the members.

Unfortunately I think we have just a few topics that may lead to discussions like this one that we're heaving. And I also like to say again that I really think it's cool to have some people that are "on the other side" here too so we can have all different points of view.

I think Eric is pretty right when talking about target audience. Just like Maggie Green said no one will ever please everyone so I think it's key finding your own audicence and real fans. Believe me, they are out there somewhere. I also wish you luck on your wevbsite Harley. I agree with you and Eric: stick to what you like to do and do it in the most honestly way. I can't tell you with a 100% sure that your website will have an explosion of members but I can say that the chances of growing will be a lot bigger.

I also know myself and what I like ( I personally only watch g/g porn and solo stuff) and I agree with Eric: most of it is pure bullshit and fake scenes.
I don't even know if it's possible but I would like to see a couple of real scenes around. Again I say: unfortunately I do understand the fake concept but I think it's possible to do better things working with honesty, love and passion. Then I think the profits will be consequence of a well done work and, as Mandy and Sabrina said, a plan of how working with your public both on a short period and on a longer one.