Cytherea Starlet of the Year to Pregnant, on Drugs & Evicted

Drugs addicts are never clean. They are just not doing drugs are the moment.
Drug addiction (like many addictions) are a lifetime club. You may not attend the meetings any more, but your membership NEVER expires as long as you live.

I should know.

True true true... It is the RARE person who actually gets off the stuff totally and permanently. When I was a cop, I can remember so many people "Going clean", and then, anywhere from 2 days to a year later, you've got them again and their so strung out, they look like they've got a foot in the grave.

:dunno:

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Almost all hardcore drugs can screw up your life and will eventually kill you. I don't know why that is so hard for people to see. If this is true it's nice that some people are going out of their way to help her. On the other hand I can't totally fault the people that don't. This isn't a situation where a person is suffering from circumstances out of their control. It's more of a situation where somebody is facing the consequences of the stupid choices they made in life. If it was somebody I know that was in a similar situation I might be more willing to help them if I we were friends. If I had the resources but didn't know the person I don't know what I would do.
 

McRocket

Banned
True true true... It is the RARE person who actually gets off the stuff totally and permanently. When I was a cop, I can remember so many people "Going clean", and then, anywhere from 2 days to a year later, you've got them again and their so strung out, they look like they've got a foot in the grave.

:dunno:

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I have typed it many times and I do not wish to overdue it.

But I was a crack addict. Have been clean since October 1, 2002. Haven't touched it since.
But the problem is the memory of how great I felt when I was on it still lingers. So I know that given the right (or wrong) circumstances I could start again.
For me to type that I would never want to feel better then - more or less - I have ever felt in my life again (like I did on rock) would be lieing and pointless. How could anyone honestly say that?
That is why it is a lifetime club for me (and those like me). The temptation will always we waiting for me. Calling me. Sometimes softly. Sometimes loudly.
So far I have resisted.
But if someone put a gun to my head and asked me whether I think I will do it again I would probably say, 'definitely'.

It was like the very first time I got a real high from crack. I spoke out loud these words and I just knew that they were true.

'I'm fucked.'

Because I knew, even then, I had just crossed a line that I could never cross back over until I was dead.

This woman, like me, will always be a drug addict. Even if we never use again.

Why did I start? Many reasons. But the main one was that I was totally unprepared for how amazing it made me feel. I figured it can't be THAT good. Within 10 seconds I knew I was wrong. It is THAT good. I underestimated it. And I believe that is what most addicts do - whatever the addiction.

BTW - If I was her friend what would I do?
Give her a hug whenever I thought she could use it.
Tell her how much I care about her (if I did).
NEVER give her money for anything.
Never let her near anything of mine that she could pawn for cash.
All I would ever buy her is food and used, very cheap, very basic clothing. And I would only do that if she could prove she needed both.
I would only ever find them shelter if there were weather conditions on the streets that would mean almost certain death were they to sleep outside that night. And then it would be pay for a cot at the Y or something. Not in my house/apartment.
I certainly wouldn't do what Suze what's her name did. Drug addicts can be ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE mooches. Giving them more stuff, IMO, is not the answer. Give them nothing more then they need for basic survival at that moment and always offer them a hug or a shoulder to cry on or just someone to talk to. But nothing else. And never even do that if you do not want to. If you want to? Great. If you don't, don't. You will just end up resenting them for it, probably. And always be honest and treat them as immature equals. Tell them why you won't give them the money they want. They are used to a world where everyone lies. They usually appreciate truth and being treated as equals, even if they don't admit it then.
But give and help them with nothing else - unless you REALLY want to.
Because my experience was that the real hardcore users only really try to quit when they have exhausted every single possible option for getting high. And I mean everything.
They will stop when they want to.
The only exception, in my opinion, is when someone is just constantly getting high and they just won't stop. Then it can be very helpful to just get them out of that mode for even a few days. Especially if it's heroin, which is the only major drug that is physically addictive (to my knowledge).
But the bottom line is, they will quit when they want to bad enough.

At least, the above is what I think.

Thank you for reading this - especially if you did it with an open mind.
 

pitino

are you talking to me?
sad news...hope things get better for her
 

xxaru

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IMO, we all have our vice (or demon) that we will abuse given the opportunity. For some people it's drugs, for some it's sex, for some it may be the rush of putting their life on the line... knowing that what they're doing could kill them instantly. We are all similar in that we are human, but we are not all the same mentally. Some people have very addictive compulsive mentalities. It can be very difficult for people like this to control addiction; while on the other hand, someone else may simply be able to wake up one day and say "Im not doing this anymore" and never look back.

Some people are chastising the addicts. Yes, it was their choice that put them in the position they're in, but do we really have the right to judge them? After all, Im willing to bet that most everyone here is addicted to something.
 
the point being that telling drug addicts to just say no to drugs isn't very realistic and is not a good way to get people to stop doing them.

I don't know, I just don't see how people can't be sympathetic. I feel sorry for someone that is a drug addict, that's a shitty way to be.

A drug addict would not be a drug addict if like I say they said no in the first place.

I was a different kind of drug addict sometime ago, a smoker. No one but me started me doing it. It was me who didn't say no to start with that made me that addict. I broke the habit myself. I know how hard it is to break the habit once you are addicted. That is why they get my respect. But I have no sympathy with anyone who is on drugs. Because they are the ones who wanted to do them in the first place. Like I wouldn't want any sympathy if I started to do them. As it would have been my choice by not saying no in the first place.

And before anyone says it. No one is forced into a addiction. The person is the one who has to keep taking there chosen thing to become addicted. It does happen after the first one or the second one. A addiction can only set in over a time period. So the person will have been willingly taking them to become addicted.

That is why I have no sympathy for her. If she breaks her habit then she'll have my respect. But not my sympathy. As I said in my first post.
 
Jesus Christ, poggy you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyone could be in this situation. "All it takes is the right friends, in the right bar, and the right woman."

Addiction is a disease, not a choice, and it's people that take your high and mighty, I quit smoking so I could quit a physical addiction with withdrawl symptoms that could fucking kill me that hold us back from actually helping people. An addiction is when something is BEYOND your control. It's a fucking superhuman effort to quit heroin or an opiate for good, and these people need respect and compassion, not "You dug your own grave" bullshit rhetoric.
 

Aces&Jacks

Retired Mod
Cytherea continued to film during her pregnancy. If nothing else, you have to be concerned for the child she is carrying. Providing support for Cytherea means giving that child a chance for a normal and healthy childhood. Whether or not you have any sympathy for an individual who may have brought her problems on to herself is one thing, but should an innocent child be allowed to suffer because you have no compassion for the child's self-destructive Mother. In trying to save one life you are probably saving two. Human compassion shouldn't come with a qualifier when it comes to helping someone who is in desperate need of help, but in this case let the baby be the qualifier. It might help some of us not think in absolutes, black or white.....or not!
 

xxaru

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A drug addict would not be a drug addict if like I say they said no in the first place.

I was a different kind of drug addict sometime ago, a smoker. No one but me started me doing it. It was me who didn't say no to start with that made me that addict. I broke the habit myself. I know how hard it is to break the habit once you are addicted. That is why they get my respect. But I have no sympathy with anyone who is on drugs. Because they are the ones who wanted to do them in the first place. Like I wouldn't want any sympathy if I started to do them. As it would have been my choice by not saying no in the first place.
You make it seem as though cigarette addiction is somehow different than addiction to something like coke or heroine. You say... "if" you started to do drugs... but you "were" doing drugs. What makes you any better than anyone else simply because you chose to smoke cigarettes instead of crack?
 
Cytherea fan here.

Can someone tell me, i know she is having a baby, and thats all good and well. But where is her husband throughout all this pain that she is going through?
 

Paroxysmia

Banned
Not sure that's cool for the future baby she did porn at 4-month pregnancy...

You get a baby, you take your responsabilities !
 
Um thats all good and well for her baby responsibilities, thats obvious. But my question, is the father around or is someone helping her?
 
poor girl. shes a good one. hopefully she gets back on her feet
 

Torre82

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I guess i'm just looking at the bigger picture. how many woman are in this exact same situation? If such a hand out is given, how often do people say she's just a lazy cheat? (forgive me if i'm mistaken, but didn't even you ladylove once say that people shouldn't get financial assistance if they are drug users?) happens everyday. I don't really see any solutions without changing public perception.

Agreed. While this can oh-so-easily fall under the category of "The famous people catch ALLL the breaks and never deal with the consequences".. because let's face it, the crackhead begging for change is nowhere near as cute.. famous.. or so fresh in our minds as Cytherea's(-ia's) spurting hole.

But the truth of it is expressed in what the Bureau of the Obvious (science) tells us: Beautiful people get shorter sentences. Famous people will automatically get respect even if they dont deserve it. A gorgeous woman can get out of a ticket while an ugly guy easily gets the maximum fine.

Sooo... despite all I just agreed with.. I say give her a second chance. Because she gives a valuable service: Doing sh!t I can cum to without having to deal with her BS the other 98% of the time. My GF wont squirt on command. She'll barely sex me if I demand it. But hey, reality often needs escaping-from. ;):thumbsup:

No, as it takes will power and usually a lot of mental torment to break a addiction.

As it takes nothing at all to say no before you start.

Disagreed. Curiosity kills the cat every time. Whether it kills all nine lives, tho..

But anyway, if we all werent so intrigued by sex, drinking and drugs.. we'd be just like all the puritans who so feverishly cry foul every time a tit is seen on TV, or a glass of beer being drunk by a teenager.. or a line/needle/pill of cocaine/crack/X is seen.. mentioned.. or heard-about. Which is ironic.. because it's hypocrisy and naivete` to argue the point that all those vices are bad.. if they've never even TRIED them. Yeah, sure.. plenty of things are possibly bad. If you abuse them. It doesnt make them evil, or devil's work or completely, utterly.. JUST-SAY-NO bad.

So yeah.. I know alcoholism is bad. I've got a dozen or two grey hairs at 24 that seems to get more obvious after time.. (FYI I dont much care, either!) I know cocaine is bad. I've spent enough paychecks on it. (Not since 2005, admittedly.. knock on wood.) And I fight my klepto demon all the time. (Expunged from the record every time, booyah!)

So yeah. I have little respect for the trait that makes people never try vice. You cant argue a valid point if you dont *KNOW YOUR ENEMY*, so to speak.

I have nothing-but... for those that've seen what an hour of heaven in a needle.. or seen the bottom of thousands of bottles.. or fucked for hours with a fistful of speedball and viagra.. and they can still walk away from it anytime.

Dont let your addictions control you. Control your addictions. And on that note.. I think I'll chill out with a cigar and some ..ahem, lots of wine. Gotta keep a consistent sleeping schedule, ya know.
 

Ax3C

Banned
You make it seem as though cigarette addiction is somehow different than addiction to something like coke or heroine. You say... "if" you started to do drugs... but you "were" doing drugs. What makes you any better than anyone else simply because you chose to smoke cigarettes instead of crack?

Simple.

Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco don't fuck up your cognitive reasoning skills to the point that you're shoving a gun in somebody's face, demanding their money just so you can get a fix, and then killing them just for the pure fucking pleasure of watching 'em die.

How many crack babies have we witnessed being brought into this world for the past twenty-odd years??? How many young, uneducated, poor mothers have been forced into prostitution simply because they need money for their fix???

How many cigarette smokers have you personally witnessed that ... steal shit from their friends or family to keep their fix going, break into fucking houses and stores and steal shit that they can pawn or fence JUST SO THEY CAN ENOUGH FUCKING MONEY for their crack, horse, blow, or whatever???

YEAH ... I smoke. Been smoking since I was 14 years old. I'm 37. TWENTY THREE YEARS OF SMOKING. I still have the lungs of a completely healthy person, too. So yes, I am WAAAAY better than a crack-head or any other junkie.

Your logic and reasoning is severely flawed, friend.
 
I have typed it many times and I do not wish to overdue it.

But I was a crack addict. Have been clean since October 1, 2002. Haven't touched it since.

Thanks for this post McRocket...I think it made alot of sense...I didn't quote the entire post since it was quite long...Having never been an addict (except a porn addict of course) this was very enlightening for me to get a glimpse of what it is like. I think there is alot of good information here on addiction and good tips of what to do to try and intervene and help the addict. It sure sounded a lot more sensible than most posts i read.
 
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