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So basically, according to you. If a woman does porn and is good at it and does it for awhile then even if afterwards she swears up and down that she did not like doing it; then you assume she must be lieing.

The reason they change to saying they hate it afterwards is if you think about it. The problems it might have caused in their career plans or ambitions in their life after. It didn't mean that they didn't enjoy it at the time. Only became bitter towards it afterwards.

As for Crissy Moran, I know you are a big fan. So maybe your looking at it with rose tinted glasses there. I have seen two of her scenes before and no disrespect to Crissy. You can tell she doesn't really want to be doing it. The performance in both wasn't very good. I could give you another example of this in a lady called Simi. Her scenes look and give the impression that she is only there for the money. Which has been proven in a way since when she declared she was only doing solo work in future.

I could go on naming names for both cases but I don't think that would be right. That's why I've tried to keep the names out of it.

There is a reason why I always say it takes something special to be a pornstar. One of these is because they truely love what they are doing and can live with it during and after they've finished doing it.
 

McRocket

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As for Crissy Moran, I know you are a big fan.
You know I am a big fan? No offense, but I assume you have better knowledge of what pornstars think then what I think.
I am definitely not a big fan of hers. If you read her thread I gave her allot flack - far more then anyone else. I think she is weak and a self centred, somewhat superficial person. Though I also think she was refreshingly honest - and I always admire that. And I think her heart was basically in the right place. Though I did love her exterior - it just happened to be extremely attractive at it's best.

There is a reason why I always say it takes something special to be a pornstar. One of these is because they truely love what they are doing and can live with it during and after they've finished doing it.
Well, I have hyjacked this thread enough. All I will type about this is that there is no way you can know you are right unless you know the women personally.
And I still type that to disregard what another human being says with no factual evidence to back it up is wrong.
 
There is a reason why I always say it takes something special to be a pornstar. One of these is because they truely love what they are doing and can live with it during and after they've finished doing it.

That's what the industry would like you to believe. Their profits hinge on exactly that perception. And while there are actresses who fit that description, a large % don't truly love what they are doing. An even larger % don't cope well with it in the aftermath; not well at all.

As you know people are not static. We change and evolve with time, some of us more than others. What might have seemed like a great idea at age 20 may be something we'd never consider at 40. The emotional blowback from having been a pornstar can be anything from relatively mild to absolutely devastating. The societal stigma can be permanent. Escaping one's history can be all but impossible, especially as it's recorded for posterity on film. Family relationships are almost always strongly impacted, and sometimes destroyed. Your thought that most young girls exercise (or even possess) the foresight and maturity to seriously and rationally weigh such future outcomes is a misconception. Surely nobody that sees them as a meal ticket is going to caution or protect them - quite the contrary. Girls who get into porn often have boyfriends who are nothing more than glorified pimps. Porn does not prepare girls for life after porn, and because of the disposable nature of the industry that life usually begins while they are still quite young. I realize these may be unpleasant facts, but facts they are.

Why isn't there a resource to help pornstars make the transition from porn back to a normal life? I'm sure it can't be easy to find a job outside the industry, especially if you've never attended college.

You've got that right Sputnik. As to the resource, it's a great idea in theory, but it's not on the radar screen in terms of happening - most likely because of $$$ - as well as other factors.

McRocket - As far as hijacking the thread goes, I think that considering the nature of the thread topic this discussion is germane.
 
bodie54 you really should read through all my posts on here on this.

If you did I mentioned long ago that the pornstars that start to attack the industry is after they've left it. Maybe because of their career aims after get crushed because of it.

Plus I think you really should read the interview with Austin Kincaid that Roald posted not long ago. Because such as that interview and many others that other pornstars do make a joke out of your post.

Plus you seem to be only assuming that a pornstar is a woman. They have men too you know. They too have to go through all the same things the women do after finishing in the industry and leaving it.

As for Sputnik's statement that started all this. I still say no.

As what's next do we set up a resource for everyone that does a job they find afterwards has some sort of fallout when they've finished. After all that is what it is, a job. If so I'd like one for mine. As most people who are in my industry past or present will tell you. It ruins your body. Mine is connected to many physical problems during and after due to it been a very heavy manual job. Many have to leave it because their body just can't take it no more. So can we have one too. Even though it was our choice to do the job as nothing else was available at the time. So we too was forced into it.

My last post on this as it's just going round in a circle now. Plus I can see that no matter how much I post on it. People will always have a difference of opinion because of the fantasy side to the industry. Something I tend to look past mostly.

Just a quick little note to McRocket...

I've never been in Crissy thread and never will. She just has no interest to me. As firm believer of if you have no interest in the lady why go into their thread. I'm not going to go in it.
 

McRocket

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Just a quick little note to McRocket...

I've never been in Crissy thread and never will. She just has no interest to me. As firm believer of if you have no interest in the lady why go into their thread. I'm not going to go in it.

I never typed I had no interest in her. I typed I am not a fan. I am not a fan of any human being. I want no one's autograph and no one is better or worse then anyone. She is simply a human being with a superficially pleasing exterior.
But I enjoyed conversing/debating with her because - as I typed - she seemed both a decent sort and very honest.
 

McRocket

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I never said you didn't.

I said I had no interest in her.

Sorry, I thought you were wondering why I visited her site if I had no interest in her.

It's just that I find your position of basically calling women liars rather insulting as a fellow human being.

But I do not wish to discuss it anymore in public.
 
It's just that I find your position of basically calling women liars rather insulting as a fellow human being.

Read the post I made to Bodie54.

As like I said to him I'm taking about all pornstars, that means the men too.

Also I'm not calling women liars. I'm just saying like I've also posted some seem to love the business when they are in the industry. Then slag it off when they leave. This is because it effects their after career plans. Which I've also said in posts.

Like I also said I've tried to keep names out of it. But named a couple as I've needed too. I even said you can see the ones that don't actually enjoy the hardcore side. Even agreeing with you on one and giving you another example.

Plus McRocket I've never come out with a insult towards one single person on here. I'm questioning the way when they are doing it they love the industry and continue to remain in it. As like with again Anita Blonde, she did over 100 films and then slags off the industry when she leaves it. Would someone who was forced into it or hated the industry do that many films. I don't think so. Especially when you see her in scenes, she actual calls herself a liar. I wasn't needed.

Like I said to Bodie54, you really should read all my posts McRocket. Why do you think I've tried to stop posting on this. Because I've covered everything you two are saying.
 

McRocket

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I was not going to type anything more about this. But then I realized that this is fairly relevant to the thread. And certainly to the board in general.

I have known personally many women in the adult entertainment industry. Mostly exotic dancers and escorts. But I have known a few adult film actresses; though none of them famous.
Though a couple of them were gorgeous. I knew two that were feature exotic dancers that decided to make a lesbian porn film. And I thought they looked very convincing in it. I have watched a TON of lesbian porn. And this was one of the most convincing scenes I have ever seen. And others who saw the tape I spoke with thought so as well. It turns out when I talked to them about it, that at least one of them didn't like doing it.
And I have known many dancers/escorts that were extremely convincing at what they do. They looked totally into it. But when I talked to them about it (once they got to know me) they mostly said they didn't like it or even downright hated it. But they decided that this was the fastest way that they can make a shit load of money. And they were bright enough to realize that if they were going to do this, they might as well put everything into their performances. Because they knew if you half assed it that you would end up making less. Better to put everything into it, make a pile of cash quickly and then get out. Which is what the smarter or more together ones did.

Now as for you calling what's her name a liar. You did. You typed that even though she supposedly said that she did not like doing the scenes; you are saying that she did in fact, like doing it. Thusly you are calling her a liar.

And as for these actresses acting like they love it and doing interviews and saying they love it? Of course they do. Regular actors do the same. Every interview you watch regular actors do and they all say the same, 'I loved the director.' 'I loved working with everyone.' 'We were like a big family.' Blah, blah, blah. They have to say that. They realize they are not going to get hired for jobs as much if they make trouble or say they don't like doing it. The same with porn actresses. They have to say and act like they love it when they are in it.
They are actresses. They depend on producers and directors to hire them. And what producer is going to hire an actress that publicly states she does not love what she is doing? He/she would be an idiot if they did. Especially in the porn industry, where it's all about fantasy.

When you have one shred of factual proof that this woman you speak of is lying, I will be most interested in seeing it. Until then, all you have is your opinion.
And if it comes down to her opinion or yours - which one do you think I am going to believe? Especially now she is out of the business and no longer has to lie to get employment?
 
Plus I think you really should read the interview with Austin Kincaid that Roald posted not long ago. Because such as that interview and many others that other pornstars do make a joke out of your post.

On your recommendation I went and read it. As you stated it was very much like interviews that many other pornstars do. In other words, for the most part it was standard industry pablum. Are you so naive as to base your opinion on what amounts to primarily promotional interviews? At least she was candid enough to state that her career choice has caused problems within her family.

I'll tell you what, Poggy; the next time you're in the United States come visit me. I'll arrange for you to do an interview with a member of my extended family who made over 200 adult videos. You would readily recognize her stage name. The post of mine you call "a joke" is based not only on her experience, but those of several other actresses of her era; friends and co-workers of hers that I got to know through her - women who spoke frankly about their experiences rather than giving me canned responses in order to sell me a product.
 

McRocket

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I just read bodie54's posts. ANd there is no need for me to continue as a) it is 'piling on' poggy1 (though I assume he can handle it). And b) he (bodie54)seems to be doing a better job then I at explaining his/my position.
 
On your recommendation I went and read it. As you stated it was very much like interviews that many other pornstars do. In other words, for the most part it was standard industry pablum. Are you so naive as to base your opinion on what amounts to primarily promotional interviews? At least she was candid enough to state that her career choice has caused problems within her family.

I'll tell you what, Poggy; the next time you're in the United States come visit me. I'll arrange for you to do an interview with a member of my extended family who made over 200 adult videos. You would readily recognize her stage name. The post of mine you call "a joke" is based not only on her experience, but those of several other actresses of her era; friends and co-workers of hers that I got to know through her - women who spoke frankly about their experiences rather than giving me canned responses in order to sell me a product.

I'll use a McRocket quote here...

Proof please!

And yes that most certainly is my last post here. As I've said I've covered everything.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS

pitino

are you talking to me?
this sounds sad :(
 
I read somewhere that she had a second kid. She seems to have gotten her life straightened out. If I come across the source again I will post it.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
i thought i heard she was coming back somewhere... not sure though. i liked her. i seen her pregnant stuff too. not bad.
 
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