Contra-Nascar: The official "other side of the story" thread

[friendsofmine]

digger is for the little **** who never would watch racing with *** and now will sit through hours of racing.....maybe you are too old to enjoy cartoons but the **** arent...cmon, think about the **** haha...im not too high on digger but its no reason not to watch the race
the funny thing is that none of the tracks you named are tri-ovals....daytona and talladega are tri-ovals...charlotte is a d-shaped oval
stock doesnt mean stock parts it means stock appearing
mark martin? you are dissing on "the ***"? how awesome is it to see this great person end his career in a great ride and be running up-front with the young guns?he deserves to win a championship this year and hendrick should put the eggs in his basket this year and not johnsons..although johnson and knaus are the best 1-2 punch in nascar
i agree the chase isnt old school points racing but definately makes the final few races a little more exciting.....
larry mac can speak english....wtf

btw it is pronounced boogity boogity boogity

 

[friendsofmine]

if you want to name a boring race......pocano...im a huge fan of nascar and dont think ive ever watched a complete race at pocano

 

[nearlyinvisible]

the funny thing is that none of the tracks you named are tri-ovals....daytona and talladega are tri-ovals...charlotte is a d-shaped oval

Straight from the Lowe's Website:
http://www.lowesmotorspeedway.com/corporate_sales/track_rental/ "1.5 Mile Tri-Oval Superpeedway"

mark martin? you are dissing on "the ***"?

I love Mark Martin but his farewell tour was 4-5 years ago, the same year Rusty Wallace retired. Since then Mark Martin has bounced around to different teams. So much for his loyalty to Roush.

larry mac can speak english....wtf

Hick English. Not proper English. He can't say two sentences without a grammatical error.

 

[friendsofmine]

ok you got me on the tri-oval thing but there is nothing "cookie cutter" between charlotte and michigan
and martin was pushed out of roush when he balked on retiring...he ended up in a dei chevy and when the hendrick offer came around, how could he not give it another shot at full time racing...hell he might have another 5 years or so in him
so because macreynolds cant pronounce his "R"s correctly, you cant watch ?
sounds to me like the wife has taken controll of the remote on sundays and you are just coming up with lame ass excuses...be a man and take back the remote

 

[afkallthetiem]

nascar sux

 

[knowone]

I love Mark Martin but his farewell tour was 4-5 years ago, the same year Rusty Wallace retired. Since then Mark Martin has bounced around to different teams. So much for his loyalty to Roush.

Loyalty had nothing to do with it. Martin wanted to cut back the travel schedule to spend time and mentor his *** Matt who was starting to race. Due to Nascar's team limit rule and sponsor commitments, Roush couldn't put keep him in a car part time. (Although in hindsight he probably wishs he had kept him in the #6 part time and mentored David Ragan.) Three years later Matt decided he didn't want to be a professional racer (at least right now) and Mark gets offered a top 5 car. What racer that still feels fit would turn it down?

 

[D-rock]

maybe you are too old to enjoy cartoons but the **** arent...cmon, think about the **** haha...im not too high on digger but its no reason not to watch the race

It's far from just that. I agree with most of what nearlyinvisible said. Even back before the Car of Tomorrow, the Chase, and even wayyyyyyyyyy back when the cars where somewhat stock where they just modified parts that were manufactured for their normal production line automobiles and people could actually go out and buy them my liking of NASCAR was heavily held in check because they race on so many ovals and hardly any road courses. Now, they might as well forget about it. Some of the very few things I once found somewhat redeemable about it have vanished in the last 8 or 9 years. There are other things also, like the fact NASCAR shows favoritism and doesn't treat all it's competitors the same under the rules, the fact it tries to drive out all small teams or people they don't like, and the fact they pretty much make up the rules as they go along. I can't even tell what manufacturer each car is supposedly backed by unless it's a close up shot and you can see the decals they have in place for where the grill and headlights are supposed to be. My God don't even get me started on the damn cautions and everything that goes into that, like free passes. The cautions are one after the other after the other, and they will throw one for just about any ***** reason. NASCAR too often wants to try and manufacture artificial excitement instead of letting the races do it on their own merit.

 

[nearlyinvisible]

I can't even tell what manufacturer each car is supposedly backed by unless it's a close up shot and you can see the decals they have in place for where the grill and headlights are supposed to be.

Besides the names printed on the cars, what's the difference between the cars from Chevy, Dodge, or Toyota? Nothing as far as I know. Why even have different manufacturers anymore?

My God don't even get me started on the damn cautions and everything that goes into that, like free passes. The cautions are one after the other after the other, and they will throw one for just about any ***** reason. NASCAR too often wants to try and manufacture artificial excitement instead of letting the races do it on their own merit.

Oh yeah, the "lucky dog" rule. I understand they made this rule to protect the safety of the drivers, but way too many drivers get their laps back for free due to frivolous cautions. If a driver is a lap down, he should have to earn getting back on the lead lap. Way too many times a driver goes from a lap down to finishing say 5th. In the past, that driver might never get back on the lead lap. I'm ok with that. The driver was a lap down for a reason.

 

[friendsofmine]

nascar= excitement

every complaint about nascar comes back to the fact that nascar made that rule to bring more excitement to the sport

lame complaints about parody = boring

now the drivers can make a difference...its not just about money anymore...richard petty was the guy with the biggest sponsor,biggest budget,biggest win total...you miss those days?

 

[Mrs Jolly]

I read back to the early posts where studies gave quite high levels of spectator activity from the African American community. I'm not going to spend energy looking for alternatives but I do have to say that it does not reflect my experience here in the midwest.

 

[Yankeefan21325]

Nascar has joined the ranks of NFL, and NBA these days unfortunatly, becoming more of a show than a sport, although I still love watching the races(hey I'm from Kentucky what can one expect) I used to love NASCAR, but in the present state it is in it just isnt as good as the days of Dale Sr. Rusty Wallace, Harry Gant, Ken Schrader, Bill Elliott, I could go on and on. However the points system is set points, yes they change it alot but they don't change it race to race. Also I do not think the races are rigged, it would be impossible to do such a thing with as many factors that happen during a race. If it was rigged Dale Jr. would win every year, since he makes them the money. Instead he is 20 something in the points. I do wish NASCAR would go back to being a sport and not a show driven toward ratings.

 

[D-rock]

nascar= excitement

every complaint about nascar comes back to the fact that nascar made that rule to bring more excitement to the sport

lame complaints about parody = boring

now the drivers can make a difference...its not just about money anymore...richard petty was the guy with the biggest sponsor,biggest budget,biggest win total...you miss those days?

If that is the case then why should NASCAR even pretend to have different teams with different cars. Now it's starting to approach being IROC in disguise. Which there is nothing wrong with things like that sometimes. Things like IROC have a time and a place, but unless the entire racing league is based off of that it shouldn't be a part of it. They could just go out and build all the cars themselves and put the drivers in them at the track. It would make an even bigger mockery of the racing than it already is but at least they would be honest with themselves. Building the fastest racecar because you have better technicians, with better equipment, and with more resources is part of what racing has always been about, and not just in NASCAR either. Plus, the biggest operations with the most money behind them seem to still be up front all the time. I don't see that big of a change.

 

[friendsofmine]

I read back to the early posts where studies gave quite high levels of spectator activity from the African American community. I'm not going to spend energy looking for alternatives but I do have to say that it does not reflect my experience here in the midwest.

seriously...who cares if you are black, white, yellow,red,brown,beige, or green for that matter?...that is something that is neither here nor there...i dont care who i sat beside in the stands...colour means **** to me and as far as im concerned jimmie johnson fans are blue...dale jr fans are green...kasey kayne fans are red...kyle bush fans are rainbow(hahahahaha--laughing my motherfuckin ass off---hahaha)....if you care about the colour of the fans skin, maybe you should go watch something else or post in the tennis or golf thread

d-rock, i hear what youre saying but toyota paid gibbs 100 million dollars to use toyota equipment and resources...if there was only one manufacture then who would be pouring that kind of money into the sport?...i can tell instantly when i see a car what manufacture it is,probably mostly because i know the 5,24,48,88,14,29,33,31,42,1,39 are all chevys and so on....i really dont care that the only difference is the engine, the stickers, the front nose,and the rear side windows....at least now with the car of tomorrow(or car of today) there is way more parody and the car at least looks kinda similar to what you would buy in the showroom...the last generation of race cars looked less like the actual cars than the COT...not to mention the safety inovations in the new car...cheating is way down from where it was too...and no, cheating isnt racing....

on another note...nascar is a sport and the drivers are athletes...they train regularly and are in great shape...they work so hard during a race they lose up to 10 pounds in sweat, so i would think it must be hard work, right?...myself i race gokarts now and after a 10 minute race, i am pretty much exhausted,drenched in sweat, and my forearms and chest are pumped from sawing on the steering wheel...how can you say that is not athletic?...i raced other cars before i switched to karts, and the same can be said about those races too...the drivers compartment is hot, racing around some guys is plain dangerous, and risking your life to fires or crashes is something most athletes dont have to deal with...

enough for now....just waiting for someone else to fuel my fire

afkallthetiem....nascar doesnt sux....you sux....jmo

 

[nearlyinvisible]

One thing I would like to commend Mark Martin on is that he has remained competitive. It drives me crazy that great drivers from 10-15 years ago such as Bill Elliott and Terry Labonte continued driving well past their prime, only to embarrass themselves and their racing legacy.

friendsofmine, people can judge for themselves if your comments are well-spoken or simply jibberish. I vote for jibberish. Example: parody and parity are two completely different words.

 

[friendsofmine]

whoops....one of the words ive heard but rarely use...one spelling mistake makes for jibberish i guess....but obviously you knew what i meant so must notta been too jibberishy

goes to show that talent is talent and money is money....even past their primes,labonte and elliott are still brought in to bring the team back up in points....sure they have lost some skill over the years and probably never will be competative enough to contend for a win, but they usually do better than the younger driver they are replacing

 

[Yankeefan21325]

whoops....one of the words ive heard but rarely use...one spelling mistake makes for jibberish i guess....but obviously you knew what i meant so must notta been too jibberishy

goes to show that talent is talent and money is money....even past their primes,labonte and elliott are still brought in to bring the team back up in points....sure they have lost some skill over the years and probably never will be competative enough to contend for a win, but they usually do better than the younger driver they are replacing

Neither have been brought in to bring their teams up in points. Terry Labonte isn't even racing this year, but when he did he drove a part time car for Hendrick motorsports, and part time doesnt mean **** for points. Also Elliott drives the Wood Brothers car, which is only on the track for 15 races this season, no points there. In other words there is really no point to what they are doing, just racing part time.

 

[nearlyinvisible]

Neither have been brought in to bring their teams up in points. Terry Labonte isn't even racing this year, but when he did he drove a part time car for Hendrick motorsports, and part time doesnt mean **** for points. Also Elliott drives the Wood Brothers car, which is only on the track for 15 races this season, no points there. In other words there is really no point to what they are doing, just racing part time.

Both should have officially retired 10 years ago and retained their legacy as champions. Both were awesome in their day. Pretty sad more recently:

Since 2000, Terry Labonte has started 221 races with 1 win, 10 top 5s.

Since 2004, Bill Elliott has started 70 races with 0 wins, 1 top 10.

 

[knowone]

Both should have officially retired 10 years ago and retained their legacy as champions. Both were awesome in their day. Pretty sad more recently:

Since 2000, Terry Labonte has started 221 races with 1 win, 10 top 5s.

Since 2004, Bill Elliott has started 70 races with 0 wins, 1 top 10.

It's real hard for the top drivers of the '70s-90s to walk away, when they've been racing since their teens, and they are being offered $2-5mil a year to drive. It's more than they ever made in their championship years even to run around 30th in the points.

 

[friendsofmine]

Neither have been brought in to bring their teams up in points. Terry Labonte isn't even racing this year, but when he did he drove a part time car for Hendrick motorsports, and part time doesnt mean **** for points. Also Elliott drives the Wood Brothers car, which is only on the track for 15 races this season, no points there. In other words there is really no point to what they are doing, just racing part time.

terry labonte 2009 daytona 500 finished 24 in the number 66 toyota(could it be a hendrick toyota?)
2008 pocano 500 in the 45 dodge(10 races in the 45 dodge in 2008)
2007 3 races in the 55 napa toyota
2006 96 DLP chevrolet
2005 44 chevrolet
2004 5 (hendrick) chevrolet

bill elliott i could do the same for bill...hes driven the 33 chevrolet...the 100 chevrolet...and many others

cmon guys if you wanna talk **** ,get your **** straight

 

[sdj374]

I used to watch NASCAR up until a few years ago. It's just lost something in my opinion. The drivers are all sterile corporate pitchmen who seem complacent with "points racing". There seems to be no passion with them anymore. I don't know if it's fear of sponsorship issues or that the governing body will impose some completely rediculous and inconsistent fine if they act up.