Contra-Nascar: The official "other side of the story" thread

Ax3C

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rocknblues81 said:
I posted, let's see ... SIX ... verifiable links - including one from HOWARD UNIVERSITY - showing that more African-Americans are becoming involved in NASCAR-related activities as well as watching the particular events and sport."

Where did I deny it? Did you read?

What I said was that yes... When you market something enough fans will increase. It's american culture.... It's called marketing. I didn't deny you're links. I simply noted as to the reason the increase is happening.

"Yet, all one can offer up in reply is a lame attempt at castigating Erwin 'Magic' Johnson - who, by the way, actually ACTIVELY gives BACK to the African-American community (look it up, can't deny facts and figures) - and this pitiful little diatribe about the Lakers (talk about OFF-TOPIC and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand ... WTF?)"

Yeah, like he gave back to his AA wife. Right? It's about money and image.
Give me a share of NASCAR and give me the money also. Did Magic ever bring up liking NASCAR before he got a share of it? I highly doubt it.

You obviousally missed the boat on why I noted that I'm a white dude. No need to go over that again anyway.

Oh, yes indeed, I read it, thank you very much. :D

And did YOU read where I said it [the questionable reason for why you posted you were white] was completely irrelevant to the present course of conversation and OFF -TOPIC???

There's no need whatsoever for you to be argumentative OR defensive, bud ... if you can't handle light critiques or criticisms, then don't post in the thread.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

You have an opinion, fine. Post it and we'll discuss it, debate it, mull over it, and go from there ... but it sounds like you're trying to cause flak and stir the pot unnecessarily. We don't need that here on the Board or in this thread. If this is not the case, then I apologize. Otherwise, maintain a sense of detachment and decorum, please.

RULES OF DEBATE:

If you've got something to say, say it. If you have something you feel is germane to the conversation, post it. If it's something that DISPUTES verifiable information, then make sure you back up your claims and assertions.

This is a civil, nonassuming debate about a particular subject; there is nothing personal about it.

'Nuff said. Back to the discussion, folks. :hatsoff:
 
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I stand by my opinion that NASCAR is marketing scheme even more so than other events. It has fights that come off as contrived and it's over marketing to African Americans show it's true colors... I doubt AA's need Magic Johnson of all people to tell them what they should get involved in NASCAR.

You think that's why Bill Lester got involved? I could be wrong, but I'd guess not.

Yes, this fits with the topic of questioning NASCAR's credibility..

In the end, it seems we agree on most things.

Have a good day=)
 
The cars are way too dependent on aerodynamics (See: Lowe's Motor Speedway), they never pass each other any more, there are far too many cookie cutter big, poorly banked tracks that leave 2 second intervals between each car (see: Las Vegas, Kansas, Kentucky, Chicago, Michigan, Fontana, etc etc etc etccccccccccccccc), and NASCAR has muzzled what used to be a beacon for rugged individuality (See: The Drivers).

Nobody would care if the cars were covered like a billboard by 300 sponsors, every team owner made 3 billion dollars a year, or if the driver's were black, white, hispanic, asian or from fucking Mars. That's of no one's concern.

What is of concern as that the racing is uncompetitive, it's an engineers' battle - not the drivers', and the drivers are mostly douche bags (see: Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Brian Vickers, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Ryan Newman, Robby Gordon, Michael Waltrip, Kevin Harvick, ecfuckingcetera.). It sucks.

When Earnhardt died, he took everything that was exciting with him. :crying:
 

DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
Peter Gazinya said:
When Earnhardt died, he took everything that was exciting with him. :crying:


The demise of any person should have a diminishing effect on all of us, but we have to be objective about things, and acknowledge that the untimely death of Mr. Earnhardt Sr. did bring about a sizable amount of highly-profitable interest in to the "Nascar" sphere.
Not being insensitive here, just making an observation that I'm certain can be verified statistically. And let us also acknowledge that the "Nascar" regime did exploit this avenue for their own benefit. Don't have the particulars handy here, and perhaps one of us can provide them for our perusal, but it always seemed a little suspicious to me that Dale Jr. would be the one to ring the victory bell at the next meet at the same track where his father met his demise. Misty-eyed, poetic justice in action, my friends, and the "Nascar" regime wrung out of it all that they could; notice how in the past season Dale Jr. had rescinded from prominence from the upper-tier level of drivers? For one reason, to make way for the contrived drama regarding Rusty Wallace in his final year of driving, and amazingly enough, too, that he (Rusty) ascended to the top ten ranking among drivers that "qualified" for what ever illustrious tournament they and only they were suposedly entered in (while the balance of the 33 drivers went through the motions about the track, so as to not disappoint the interests of their sponsors). "Veteran old driver in his last season" the headline might read; let's wring all the public sentiment we can out of him, too!
There was also a related type of melodrama that had been heavily promoted by the media in the upcoming weeks to a particular "event", with I believe Jeff Gordon, who was destined to attain a jubiliant victory at a specific track which he was purported to "own." Sure enough, he did, and right on cue. If anyone can provide those particulars of this "victory appropo," I would appreciate the opporotunity to review them.
Contrived. Orchestrated. Scripted. Pre-destination. Even, yes, even intelligent design. Those have been my points all along.

(as an aside, it will be of little value to advise me to rescind my spectatorship of this "event" if I persistantly find it so disturbing, as I have never seen one single "Nascar" "race," in person or otherwise, and are aware of it only through the media and from those who are so culturally mesmerized by its well-crafted siege of the public cognizance. To wit: I know of some people who converse about it endlessly, as well as wearing the related promotional paraphenalia on themselves and the own vehicles, lunchboxes, etc.; even Tommy would know of its existance and overwhelming influence on popular culture! But my purpose here is to bring to the cognizance of an easily influenced public some aspects of this cultural phenomenon they may be unlikely to admit, but perhaps had harbored some private suspicions about.)
 

DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
Daytona 500: We're off and running!
And so we are, with the inaugeral "event" of the season being prefaced by an announcement regarding an illegal modification of one of the performers' vehicles!
Chad Knaus, "crew chief" for performer Jimmy Johnson's #48 "Chevrolet" has been suspended, ejected, sanctioned, etc., ad nauseam, for making some "modification" to the exterior of this vehicle--not under the hood, or hidden from sight beneath the floorboards or concealed within the machinery of it's drive train or even some visualy imperceptible alteration of its electronic system, but to the exterior--like in the proximity of all those advertisments that everyone is supposed to see! and a "modification" of such nature that quite plausibly could be discerned by the unaided eye of even a novice fan or the heretic (as in myself)!
Can anyone be that stupid? Of course not! "Nascar" lives for inspections--simply to find some infraction, suspend some non-essential person (in essence, any one who is not a driver/performer), and threaten him with all forms of penalties, and sure enough, all of this orchestrated "controversy" will be the talk of the airwaves and expounded in print!
Good job, Chad! Lowe's, GMAC, and sponsors of the other 42 cars loves you, baby!

Next week: Illegally placed air freshener disguised in the shape of a fir tree found suspended from the rearview mirror of the car of Jeff Gordon's grandmother! Fines! Suspensions! Bannishment! Free publicity!

Nascar: Use it in a sentence.
 

McRocket

Banned
An interesting thread...though I realize it is old.

I just have a couple of points.

1) In terms of NASCAR being racist. Well if it is then so was Formula 1 when this thread was started as before 2007 there never was a black driver in Formula 1.

And 2) in terms of not being real racing. NASCAR runs at least 2 races per year on 'road race' courses.
And let us remember that at one time or another; Formula One cars had the following:

Active suspension, computer controlled shifting, computer controlled steering (I believe) and the pit crew could control the throttle, shifting, engine power and suspension all without the drivers aid or knowledge.

But I agree that F1 is more of an example of pure driving then NASCAR.
But it takes, imo, a different kind of skill to negotiate your way around a track at 200 m.p.h. in a bunch up of some 40 cars for 4 hours. It may not be pure driving. But it takes skill and concentration and stamina. Those drivers can lose 10+ pounds per race.

Just like American football, NASCAR is - imo - an American kind of sport.
 

DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
The latest "big" story in the notional world known as Nascar: The on-going sensation regarding Dale Jr. and the dispute between his father's widow. A pure unadulterated, and shameless fabrication designed with the express intent to do nothing more than to draw attention to their shabby product known as nascar!

Crap, is what I call it!

Be realistic, people, and open your eyes and dare to look through the masquerade: The kid, the ex-old lady, and every driver, "crew chief," pit-crew member, "team" owner, official, commissioner, track-sweeper and merchandise vendor is and are in this together! Reputed personal conflicts! Contrived animosities! Alleged equipment violations! Psuedo-revenge! It's all what nascar is about!

Lies and outlandish behavior: that's how you get the free publicity you so crave for your sorry existance!

'S wonderful! 'S nascar! 'S unrestricterplatedhorsecrap!

:throwup:
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DrMotorcity

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Tony Stewart. Like how he doesnt give a damn about anything. He'll bump Kurt Busch into the wall, they'll go to the Nascar trailor for a meeting, and Stewart will punch Busch right after the meeting lol. Joe Gibbs Racing will get Toyota's first win. Plus I find Dale Jr. too overrated. just cause he won the Bud Shootout they say he has to win the 500 and that hes gonna have the best season ever


Tony Stewart. Like how he doesnt give a damn about anything. He'll bump Kurt Busch into the wall, they'll go to the Nascar trailor for a meeting, and Stewart will punch Busch right after the meeting...

Has anyone been identified as a being a legitimate witness of this "account?" Is there any visual proof to corroborate that allegation? I doubt seriously that such incident occured.

Pure fabrication, is what it is, and what most often will come from the nascar camp.




nascar: Use it in a Sentence.
 

DrMotorcity

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I'd kind of like to offer an opinion, but....



Do fake flowers count?

How about house plants?

Fake flowers always permitted in the mighty Motorcity threads.

House plants, too, excepting the species ficus benjaminaubiquitous, which have been commandeered by the adult entertainment industry for their exclusive use to serve as background scenery on the porn set. De rigueur, their presence on the set has been ordained by the Pornography Powers That Be, the so-called "Wise-guys of Van Nuys," since even before the days of the Super-8 movie camera back when all the male perfomers wore—never mind.
:o

As an example: ficus benjaminaubiquitous


There's an old maxim that is well-known within the "industry" that you, even as a patron, may have taken notice of on a time or another:

If a ficus benjaminaubiquitous falls over off of a stand in the bedroom (or bath room, dining room, garage, cab of a piece of strip-mining equipment, etc.), will it still make a sound if there are no pornstars around to hear it when it hits the ground?

And the quaint, glib little reply to the query is:

Of course it does! Who d'you think knocked it over?



I sincerely do hope that that answers your all of your questions, Mr. Bodie54. Thank you and have a blessed day.

:)
 

:rofl2:

Back when I was the president of Asbestos R Us my receptionist had one of those in her office. A plastic one. We tried real ones first but for reasons unknown they perished. Apparently they aren't as hardy as they're reputed to be :dunno:

I sincerely do hope that that answers your all of your questions, Mr. Bodie54.

yes thank you kindly doctor....although now I have forgotten my NASCAR comment but it's time for me to mulch my philodendron so perhaps another time :)
 
I never really saw anything exciting about any motorsport where the vehicles just go round and round a simple oval track. It just can't get much more boring. As for all the allegations of fake drama etc, it seems to fit both the sport and the demographic as I imagine most nascar fans are also hoping to be on Jerry Springer one day?

Q: How do you escape a nascar fan?
A: Turn right!
 

DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
As for all the allegations of fake drama etc, it seems to fit both the sport and the demographic as I imagine most nascar fans are also hoping to be on Jerry Springer one day?

An exceptional point that can not be reiterated enough! And these are just some of the people who will go to the polling places in November to help elect the leaders of their great nation.

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dude, you are just a hater....have you ever driven any sort of race vehicle of any sort?....too commercialized?...who do you think pays the bills?...the other racing series such as f1 and indy car racing could and would do soo much better if they followed nascars lead and commercialized their sport similar to nascar does...nascar drivers have a personality and that is what fans relate to...f1 drivers are like robots and that doesnt sell anything...there is nothing elite about f1 other than the cars...sure they are faster and handle better but they get too close and touch once and their raceday is done...seriously is that what you want to see...you wait all week to watch a race and during the start, your favorite driver lightly bumps another car and the wheel breaks off...wtf is that?....real race cars are built for speed as well as durability...you think because jr wins the next time back at daytona after sr dies, that its a fix?...then why at every restrictor plate race is he the one that can dominate and come from the back pretty much at will?...maybe nascar is always helping him? lmfao,bullshit....then why would nascar allow kyle bush(the most hated driver in nascar) to do so well?...that makes perfect sense..piss off the majority of your fans....
you are way off on this!...no fixing in nascar...
and go to a local race track and tell me what is "stock" about the late models...stock car racing is cars that look like cars(not planes) with fenders,a hood, a roof, a decklid, windows,etc....all the looks of the cars we drive everyday.....what is wrong with the COT? personally i think it is a great addition to the sport...now the only bitching from the manufactures is about engines and the smaller teams have a better chance to do well too...plus the COT saved mcdowwels life in texas....

rules were made to bring the competition closer....or every nascar race would be like an f1 race where the guy who qualifies on p1 wins,p2 second,p3 third,and so on.....soooofuckingboring....and thats why f1 cant sell their sport in the usa...
 
I was a hardcore NASCAR fan for years but the combination of my favorite driver retiring and the ridiculous CHASE format has left me a non-fan. Other observations:

-The Car of Tomorrow is just plain hideous, plus there is nothing "stock" about it

-Too many boring "cookie cutter" tri-oval tracks (Lowe's, Texas, Michigan, Las Vegas, Sonoma, Kansas, Chicago, Michigan)

-The most popular driver, Dale Jr., isn't popular because he is good, but rather because his dad was good. Dale Jr. is totally overrated (currently 20th in the standings).

-Team/ownership loyalty is scarce. Dale Jr. couldn't even stay with his family's team. Past champions Tony Stewart and Kurt Busch, jumped ship. Mark Martin is all over the place (btw, wasn't Mark Martin's final season/farewell tour supposed to be like 5 years ago?)

-The winner of the Daytona 500, the "Super Bowl" of racing, is determined more by lucky positioning and avoiding "the big one" rather than being the best driver or having the fastest car

-Most of the driver's are just plain boring with no emotion. Even Tony Stewart isn't as tempered (entertaining) as he used to be. Jimmie Johnson is a douche.

-The TV coverage is absolutely horrible. Larry McReynolds can't speak decent English. Don't get me started about "boogedy boogedy boogedy" or the Hollywood Hotel.

-Did I mention that Chase to the Cup sucks?
 
The TV coverage is absolutely horrible. Larry McReynolds can't speak decent English. Don't get me started about "boogedy boogedy boogedy" or the Hollywood Hotel.

Don't forget about Digger. I have never heard about a person that has liked that stupid cartoon gopher, ever.
 
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