Communism

[assari]

The communist system can be effective if people work together.

The problem is that the capitalist and other enemies of the people do not want this and they have power.

Therefore it is important that the people will not vote anymore.

 

[288gto]

by communism most people imagine stalin, wrong!
for communism people need to have higher level of understanding, which means they will be that responsible so there will not be needed a government to look after them.
this is why all that anti-communism propaghanda goes for.
communism stands for work for what you need
capitalism stands for work for profit.
which one you think is better?

 

[Johan]

Each time a country had a communist revolution, the government that came to power became and dictatorship.

Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea, you name it...

 

[288gto]

russia still is, but no one talks...

 

[mikexmoran]

Each time a country had a communist revolution, the government that came to power became and dictatorship.

Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea, you name it...

David McCullough's John Adams' book points out a similar thing with the French Revolution:

"France was 'in great danger.' Ahead of anyone in government, and more clearly than any, Adams foresaw the French Revolution leading to chaos, horror, and ultimate tyranny."

So, if it is tyranny of a single dictator or a group of dictators freedom is limited.

Lets face it, Freedom isn't unique to the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. There are many representative forms of governments with free societies. They have a varying amount of prosperity, which is what I believe translates to general happiness.

It isn't headline news when someone from one of those countries you list defects to a place like the U.S., U.K., or France, but it is headline news is someone wants to go there. I have a Dorothy Day socialist heart, but if someone wants to be live under communism, I suggest they go right ahead and I wish them luck. I'm going to keep my socialist heart right here in the hub of a capitalistic republic.

 

[sean miguel]

by communism most people imagine stalin, wrong!
communism stands for work for what you need
capitalism stands for work for profit.
which one you think is better?

And who decides what you "need" ? And once you have what you need and that's the cap what incentive is there to do anything more than you already are?

 

[288gto]

And who decides what you "need" ? And once you have what you need and that's the cap what incentive is there to do anything more than you already are?

oh, yea, human greed.
with need, i understand a solid life. a house a car a job and enough time to spare with family.

 

[vodkazvictim]

The earth is not made that way for anything that lives.

Ants, Waspes, Wolves, People, many other social organisms?


Or to put it another way; if mankind were so singularily egotistical as capitalism suggests, how come humanity is a social animal that doesn't achieve supremacy individually in comparison to other organisms, but via group?

 

[Bones_92]

Viva la Socialism!

 

[vodkazvictim]

So banks across the world didn't fold, currencies haven't faced collapse across several continents, superpower nations aren't in massive debt, there aren't thousands of millions of people in developed nations living in poverty and we aren't paying taxes to fund the people who keep this state of affairs going? Wow the view must being awful nice over there in fucking nowhere.

I like you.

your basic point about communism is shown here.
it doesn't take a former community organizer with a law degree who never practiced law with ties to known communists and marxist with questionable paternal ancestral lineage to see that it won't last for long, eventually the well will run dry and everybody will be broke and screwed.

I love the way you type "known communists" as though this is somehow comparable to "known terrorist".
You sure you're thinking for yourself yet?

Communism is not the solution. Capitalism has not failed.
Not yet...
But capitalism should be regulated 'cause now, coporate interests have taken precedence over those of the people. This should be changed.
Corporations are not people. Corporations are made to bo useful to people, not the contrary.

Capitalism retreats into crony capitalism every time.
Crony capitalism = Socialism for the rich, btw.

I can't believe that I am agreeing with you again. Let me add that it is not the corporate structure that fucks the people. it is the system that doesn't make clearly criminal people not pay for their acts. Bad decisions will make most companies fail but companies like JP Morgan Chase and the Jon Corzine shit are another story. There should be more criminal trials for these fucks that shifted people's money without their knowledge or consent into failed speculations. It's like if the scheme works 75% of the time then it's okay when it the other 25% doesn't.

Nothing is equal on this planet. Bugs eat plants. Animals eat bugs. Larger animals eat other animals. People are born into different worlds. Some have gifts that others don't. That is the world that was created for us. Survival of the fittest.

There's nothing about the current system that equals syrvival of the fittest and capitalism deteriorates into the current system.

We are not born equal, we are all different. We are not here to be all the same because we were not all created the same. It is designed that each human is to achieve to their own individual potential. It's the same as plants and animals. If our creators didn't do it then what makes you thing any kind of governing can? What you want and say aren't theories, they are made up wishes.

So what you're effectively doing is using the old fundamentalist Moslem argument; "it is only for Allah to say who is poor and who is rich".

it's not an excellent theory; it's flawed at it's core because it discounts human nature and common sense. what incentive is there to work hard when it doesn't benefit you anymore than the person who is working less?

People always strive for more. It's in their nature. Under capitalism it is rarely rewarded. It is more common that the aspirational individual profits their master than themself.

If you like commnism so much, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea ?

Because they're not Communist, but state Capitalist.
Were you being serious?

That's another thing. Throughout human history walls and fences have been erected to keep people out. Communism has erected walls, fences and shot people in the back to stop them from LEAVING.

Yeah, Capitalism has never attempted to keep people in and the Soviet union was really Communist

sounds to me you are all victims of propaghanda.
how many of you readed the books from karl marx?

Good question. How many have read any leftist books at all? (Clinton's biography isn't leftist)

Fuck off.

That's right, show us how smart you are.

To be fair, capitalist nations have done the same thing; if a nation is tyrannical and communist it doesn't mean all its tyrannical acts happen because of communism. Has Cyprus ever shot emigrants? How often did James Connolly advocate labour camps? And on the other hand--how often have the Saudis or the Israelis shat over human rights; and when they do, is it because of capitalism? When America was lynching blacks, conducting mass uninformed medical experiments like Tuskegee or drugging its own citizens as part of MKULTRA, was that because of capitalism? I can't take the political opinion of anyone who cannot differentiate theory and action seriously.

What you will see
What you won't see

 

[Jagger69]

The earth is not made that way for anything that lives.

The most rational post in this thread. Communism is an interesting yet unworkable economic theory that has never once been implemented successfully. Bob's concise statement is the reason why.

 

[288gto]

The most rational post in this thread. Communism is an interesting yet unworkable economic theory that has never once been implemented successfully. Bob's concise statement is the reason why.

agree and true.

 

[vodkazvictim]

The most rational post in this thread. Communism is an interesting yet unworkable economic theory that has never once been implemented successfully. Bob's concise statement is the reason why.

That being said, show me where Capitalism has worked. Tell me why it would.

 

[288gto]

american muscle cars are best, u know why?
because working people made them
but americans wont admit this

 

[Will E Worm]

That being said, show me where Capitalism has worked. Tell me why it would.

Jagger is correct deal with it. :tongue:


The only thing is, Communism is not interesting.

american muscle cars are best, u know why?
because working people made them
but americans wont admit this

Yes.

American companies have to get back to what people like and deep six the stupid green garbage.

 

[Jeep!]

American companies have to get back to what people like and deep six the stupid green garbage.

You mean people don't like the idea of continuing to exist as a species? Who knew.

 

[Will E Worm]

You mean people don't like the idea of continuing to exist as a species? Who knew.

How's this a reply?

Their energy efficient products are not working.

That's why they are going broke.


Things like windmills never worked, and they cost more to maintain than they benefit anything.
Because they don't help anything.

 

[Jeep!]

How's this a reply?

Their energy efficient products are not working.

That's why they are going broke.


Things like windmills never worked, and they cost more to maintain than they benefit anything.
Because they don't help anything.

Not everything is about money, Will. Fossil fuel reliance is going to bankrupt and kill us; we will run out of them. When that happens, what do you think the wars will be like? That's not even getting into the climate debate, and we are causing a concrete change in the global climate. Ditching efforts to diversify how we get our fuel and power is the single dumbest thing society could do at this point. But hey, this green nonsense is costing money, fuck that shit.

 

[Will E Worm]

Not everything is about money, Will. Fossil fuel reliance is going to bankrupt and kill us; we will run out of them. When that happens, what do you think the wars will be like? That's not even getting into the climate debate, and we are causing a concrete change in the global climate. Ditching efforts to diversify how we get our fuel and power is the single dumbest thing society could do at this point. But hey, this green nonsense is costing money, fuck that shit.

Everything is about money.

That's why Obama gave his friends in the green companies money, even though he knew they would fail.

The climate debate is over, there's no global warming.

The green nonsense is bleeding money and it is not working and it is not sustainable.

 

[Jeep!]

The climate debate is over, there's no global warming.

I take it the holocaust never happened either? Climate change is happening and we're accelerating it. You also haven't addressed the fact that you're insisting we keep focussing solely on a painfully finite resource. What do you plan for when the oil and coal run out? Running cars on your own pig-headedness?