Chris Matthews: What has the Republican Party done for The People...

I'm not arguing that torture is ineffective. (which it probably is) I'm arguing that if we as a people start destroying our very identity, if we start destroying everything good about us as a culture, people, and country for the sake of the easiest victory, then the very reason we are fighting to preserve ourselves is meaningless. If we continue that, what we will have become as a people at the logical conclusion of that course will be nothing both the hollow corrupted shell of what we once were. We would not only be fighting to preserve something that is no longer worth fighting, at that point it wouldn't even exist at all. In essence the bad guys will have won at that point. Even if it's not in the way they thought would happen.

Yes, if as a people if we start condoning torture, the ending of human rights, or other despicable things in the name of victory it will keep going and effect our very essence. It's not just the government doing it, it's the people that let the government do it also. If we don't speak out and turn a blind eye to wrongdoing, no matter who does them, then those people are part of the problem. To think that we can just a blind eye and not have it effect us is very shortsighted and false.

As far as how we fight people like that. We defend ourselves, but we uphold our most deeply held beliefs while we do it. We don't become as bad as our enemy. We dig deep down within ourselves and we persevere. We show future generations what we were made of. We make it so our forbearers that came before us and sacrificed for a better world didn't do it for nothing. We do not take the quick and easy way over the right one, even if that might cause hardship, even if that might cost some of our lives.

You can probably understand then why a lot of the torture that is carried out is denied and kept secret. The powers that be realise that if the people knew of this then the argument that the country had failed it's ideals would start a massive unravelling in society.

If the subject remains ambiguous and unprovable, the state can maintain that the country lives by higher ideals than it's enemies. It can publicly champion communication and negotiation whilst at the same time covertly tackle combatants on their own grounds of menace and terror.

I'm afraid to say I think this is a common practice among most modern countries. As an example, how often do the police get caught handing out unnecessary force on perps.?
 

PirateKing

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only people named pirateking. Me thinks its a bit Freudian.

I just think pirates are cool. So by that logic, the king of the pirates must be the cooolest of them all since he trumps all other pirates.:dunno:
 

jasonk282

Banned
I just think pirates are cool. So by that logic, the king of the pirates must be the cooolest of them all since he trumps all other pirates.:dunno:

But pirates who had no code would mutiny asap, so being the pirate king must suck as you will be the target.
 

PirateKing

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AAAAAANNND I successfully killed the thread. :nanner:thanks for helping me JasonK.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
OK time for me to jump in the thread and ask to stop useless name calling and bickering.
http://board.freeones.com/faq.php?faq=ww#faq_ss.
extract from the rules:
Medium Violations: posting copyrighted content that is stolen out of a pay site member area, sharing content from a pay site, talking about p2p downloading, flaming/being aggressive towards other members.
These violations are worth 3 points each, and could be assigned more points at the discretion of the moderators. There are no warnings given for these violations as we have the Board Rules and many posts stickied all over this message board. There is absolutely NO REASON for a member to not be aware of the rules.
3 Infraction Points = A temporary 3 day ban from the FreeOnes Message Board.

I hope this paragraph helps and avoids problems for the later threads.

Georges is correct, you were and are flaming/being aggressive towards other members. When will Georges be a mod? I hope soon.



YMIHERE and bodie54

No :nono: and... you two will be next.

Yes, the same things. :hatsoff:
 

SgtMarine

Banned
Georges is correct, you were and are flaming/being aggressive towards other members. When will Georges be a mod? I hope soon.



YMIHERE and bodie54

No :nono: and... you two will be next.

Yes, the same things. :hatsoff:

How about be the bigger man and just ignore them?
 

SgtMarine

Banned
How about they honor the rules of the board or the mods can do their job?

Like Georges did, he needs to be a mod.

You're a n00b, we don't need you butting in. :tongue:

Well at what point oh wise cupcake will I not be considered a noob in your ever judgemental eyes?

For someone who quotes and preaches about a non judgemental religion you sure do judge people a lot.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Well at what point oh wise cupcake will I not be considered a noob in your ever judgemental eyes?

For someone who quotes and preaches about a non judgemental religion you sure do judge people a lot.

I will tell you when the time comes.

You must have patience, grasshopper.

I have never preached a non-judgmental faith.

I just wanted to remind you that I've been a member of this fine
board longer than you, Mr Worm. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :tongue:

You're more of a lurker with your small post count. :tongue:
 

SgtMarine

Banned
I will tell you when the time comes.

You must have patience, grasshopper.

I have never preached a non-judgmental faith.

Ok there, well my time is over with you, my head is starting to hurt from your insane gibberish.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The FreeOnes team asked me to keep this under my hat. But I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag. For the past few months, I've been testing a new beta version of the board, which incorporates a Report Post function. It'll look something like this: ! Now this is just crazy, but here's how it's going to work, once they decide to let everybody in on it: if & when you see a post, which you believe violates the rules, you hit that button and then you'll be able to report posts to mods all by yourself. Isn't that wild???!!! :eek:

Now, don't mention that you heard about this amazing new development from me. But I did want to give everybody a heads up that FreeOnes is on it. What will they think of next, a Search Function maybe???!!! Wow! Imagine being on a board where you can report posts AND search for topics. I'm sure people will use both functions once they come to be. :helpme:
 
I will tell you when the time comes.

You must have patience, grasshopper.

I have never preached a non-judgmental faith.

You're more of a lurker with your small post count. :tongue:

Be that as it may the fact remains that I joined this board before you,
Mr Worm and I bet my love gun is bigger than yours too. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :banana:
 

SgtMarine

Banned
Be that as it may the fact remains that I joined this board before you,
Mr Worm and I bet my love gun is bigger than yours too. :yesyes: :yesyes: :yesyes: :banana:

I'd say that would be a safe bet to wager.
 
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