Cheney ordered CIA to hide plan
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Why are you offering exceptions as opposed to rules ?
Americans generally don't expatriate when they're betrayed by the the actions or inactions of their government, they vote 'em bums out, that is, if they can, with all of the slimy mob rule demokratik gerrymandering going on. But even then, we opt to fight ! as in revolt ! I'm not going anywhere ! Why didn't you accept your very own offering and flee the country when the last idiot was president ? He wasn't that bad ? :rofl:
So your solution to a fair, balanced, well-regulated government is....
Just to let one side run things all the time?
Gotta love how the party line is "Interesting timing" as opposed to the American response of "I hope you are kidding me."
The line between political parties has blurred what should be the common goal - a better America. Instead, it is all party this and party that. A shame.
The line between political parties has blurred what should be the common goal - a better America. Instead, it is all party this and party that. A shame.
om3ga
It's good to be the king...
No, I know there will always be pubs and dems but I like most of americans were/fed up with how things had been run over those past 8 years including the congress.
You claimed Pelosi lied. How can you credibly make such a claim absent any of the facts?? Ohhh, I get it...GOPers, FOX and Rush say so...ergo it must be fact.
Well the facts are, it was suggested Pelosi (and others) knew about water boarding specifically. Errr, that wasn't the actual claim...as it was claimed she knew about "enhanced interrogation techniques" (of which there are many..and apparently some deployed that are quite legal). Many then asserted that necessarily meant she knew about water boarding specifically. Pelosi then claimed she was never told they were water boarding detainees..More pointedly, that they WERE NOT water boarding.
CIA issued a statement where DCIA Panetta states it is not the policy of CIA to mislead congress. Interesting...if you look at the semantics of the statement it doesn't necessarily speak to nor can it speak to what happen BEFORE his watch. Literally and contextually (based on the statement maker) it says current policy is not to mislead congress. Further CIA says it's up to congress to go over their reports and records to determine what if any misleading occurred.
Simutaneously, GOPers far and wide began to chant a theme suggesting Pelosi is the one lying...Even some whom could never know what she was told or not. But that doesn't stop political spin. They asserted that in order for her to prove CIA mislead her and other members of congress, she should produce the documents. Of course that was a red herring as they know full well Madame Speaker has no authority to release or declassify classified material. Of course Pelosi is fairly trounced trying to defend herself because she has to tip toe around what she can say and what would constitute a classified material breach if she says it.
However, subsequent (June 24) information provided to congress by DCIA Panetta is alleged to have affirmatively demonstrated CIA routinely mislead members Congress since '01 which is the basis for the article I attached you now claim to not understand it's relevance.
Where Darth Sidious (Cheney) ties neatly into this is it's not only being suggested he gave the illegal orders to employ illegal techniques but he also is behind whatever effort CIA undertook to mislead congress as CIA falls under the exec. branch.
Got it? Good.
Why are you offering exceptions as opposed to rules ?
Why didn't you accept your very own offering and flee the country when the last idiot was president ? He wasn't that bad ? :rofl:
As usual, you missed the pointy end of the subject. The individual apparently now has an issue with the duties assigned to various branches of our government by our Constitution. Are you a patriot all the time or some of the time?? Or do some of you merely pick and chose what areas of the Constitution you are willing to defend with torches and pitchforks??
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Is that so unusual ? Would you be as complimentary of the United States Constitution in all of its originality had the political roles been reversed ? Of course not.
At the end of the day it's politics - politics and only politics. Can't you just cite your differences in opinion and move on ? Your time has to be worth more than debating for debates sake, no ?
Perfect example: If the political party roles were reversed, you wouldn't be defending your former Vice President i.e. : "Being concerned about the potential of leakage, Biden (ha ha) ordered the CIA to hide the plan to greater ensure the safety of our armed forces in the field of battle, Constitution be damned !"
Is that patriotic ?
I've been nothing but consistent in my belief in the US Constitution and the rights, duties and limitations contained therein.
And no. It's not good enough for a rogue assed VP to be running around apparently making up the rules as he/she sees fit no matter who the fuck he/she is.
"Politics" is the excuse people like you use to justify being part-time patriots and to try and defend your situational ethics.
Sorry, that doesn't apply to me.
That's exactly how some of you constantly find yourselves on competing sides of like issues day in and day out because the only thing some of you stand for is politics.
This all in all is just another way to take the public's eye off of what is going on up front, ultimately. Health care, war, and whatever else the democrats in all three forms of government are doing! This is causing us to discuss this, who cares!?!
What kind of stuff is going on now that our attention is diverted? Pay attention to other things, not just Cheney!
What kind of stuff is going on now that our attention is diverted? Pay attention to other things, not just Cheney!
How can you say that (or parrot that) talking point with a straight face when people have been discussing water boarding and Cheney's role in subverting Constitutional limits for years??
The only reason this story broke is because Obama is fucking up the country with taxing energy bills,taxing tobacco, taxing all for healthcare and slamming America with a debt so far in his presidency that multiplied the national debt by 10 times compared to the Bush administration. You wanted change! Well, thats all that will be left in the working man's paycheck with Obama. For my children and their children's children as well.
People are now seeing this despite his worshipping press as his poll numbers begin to drop, they release a Cheney story.
Yeah...that's it. It couldn't be that they've been trying to get to the bottom of this for years.
BTW, people have been using the children's, children's song since the '50s. The despite Reagan running up an at the time unprecedented debt...It was nearly cut in half by the end of the Clinton administration and like would have been manageable had Bush not run it up on the rocks.
Yeah....it's political...it can't simply be a fact that Cheney sought to hide information from Congress that was part of their Constututional authority.
Have fun in lala land.
Yeah...that's it. It couldn't be that they've been trying to get to the bottom of this for years.
BTW, people have been using the children's, children's song since the '50s. The despite Reagan running up an at the time unprecedented debt...It was nearly cut in half by the end of the Clinton administration and like would have been manageable had Bush not run it up on the rocks.
Yeah....it's political...it can't simply be a fact that Cheney sought to hide information from Congress that was part of their Constututional authority.
Have fun in lala land.
I respectfully disagree. Bush/Cheney kept our country safe while dealing with terrorists who just wanted to kill America. Given that, I am for placing such known suspects in Gitmo,while Obama wants to release them and deal with them.
meesterperfect
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Thats exactly the way it is.
A smokescreen.
Continue to try and cause hatred for republicans (and people love to hate cheney).
Meanwhile pass laws and legislature and spend money that will affect the people and the world for a long time to come, meanwhile apoligized like a pussy to in every speech he makes in other countries.
How sad.
They've got the power and they want to keep it, by any means neecessary.
Its just another smokescreen created by the Obama admin. and the mass media (one in the same).
I see the country under these clowns as heading in the same direction as former Rhodesia/now Zimbabwe.
Its scary.
And mega youre the one in lala land., youve been brainwashed.
There have only been 2 Islamo-terrorist borne attacks on the CONUS both on the WTC. The first was in Feb. '93. One month after Clinton took office...the next was Sept. '01. Clinton kept the US safe as long or longer. To what do you attribute that to??
Now I know you're inclination for the sake of politics will be to include the attacks on the Cole and the US Embassy...which are technically US soil. However, if you want to include those attacks then you must include all of the attacks on US troops, bases and personnel since 2001 to be consistent and that number is uncountable.
Show me a credible source that says Obama wants to release terrorists.
I'll wait....
How exactly? Please expand on your assertion (if you can coherently, intelligibly and rationally do so).
because 8 years of clinton weren't bullshit? You think that Daddy O can solve all the problems of the USA. Your hopes will never be full filled especially with Obama.
Uh, aren't you in Europe??? Is Obama even your president??
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