Can most American women be bought?

[juryduty]

Oh, that is true. I guess I prefer the sort of women whose price is: good sex, good company, social and emotional support. They do exist, I've had such women. I'm with such a woman.

I guess what inspired me to make this thread was the saying "IF you like it put a ring on it" and the other saying that it has to have a rock worth 2 months salary. Why? My best friend and hsi wife but simple wedding rings and they skipped the whole engagement ring and they realized that stuff is all bullshit anyway.

Everyone has a price, everyone.
Some are higher than others, some want things other than money.
But be assured EVERYONE has a price.

 

[bobjustbob]

What television shows are forming your opinion of USA women?

 

[juryduty]

Well, when a guy proposes to an American girl, doesn't she expect to receive a ring with a rock on it?

 

[BlkHawk]

I imagine American girls are a lot like European girls, they are individuals. Some look for wealth, some don't. Same with looking for tall/short, muscled/lean, older/younger men etc. Yes there are some who look for wealthy men, but not that many. If you want an idea of what most Americans are like don't watch American television or movies, everyone in them is far more attractive, younger, thinner, and more exaggerated than the majority of Americans.

Look at your neighbors, the people you work with, and the people you meet day to day in your country they are probably not that different from us. Most of us work hard, support our families, want a good life for our children, and look for meaningful relationships in friends, and spouses.

 

[wigster]

Assuming by the responses on this thread then the answer is women look for guys with money and who are successful.

I'm going to quote Reginald D. Hunter here because this comment speaks a lot of truth. He said, that in America if your rich and famous people like you. In the UK if people like you they like you regardless of how much you've got and in Australia all you got to do is say hello.

 

[juryduty]

What you guys don't know about me is that I lived in Los Angeless in the 90's when I was a kid. I remember that my classmates there were the biggest most superficial people I'd ever met before and since. All they cared about was public appearance. They would brag about things they had now way of affording. My older sister was in high school and all her friends had cars of their own. They would show off who had the best car and act like dicks. Maybe it's just an LA thing but it rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Rey C.]

I think some people were put-off by the way you phrased the original question. And L.A. has no relation to the greater nation. Yeah, it is a much more superficial place than most of the country (IMO). I lived there for awhile in the 80's. But anyway, in a country where 70% of GDP is based on personal consumption, it's safe to assume that ours is a VERY materialistic country and society (both men and women). But can (the affections of) most American women be "bought"? I seriously doubt it, but I don't know (I've seen no data one way or the other). I do remember a study from probably a decade or more ago that showed that American men were less likely to take the financial status of a prospective girlfriend or wife into consideration versus a woman looking for a boyfriend or husband. But the study didn't show that American men were less materialistic, shallow or superficial than American women. It just showed that American men displayed their shallowness and superficiality in a different way: looks won out over finances and intelligence. But the study didn't (as best I remember) show what the majority of men or women was like. It just showed social tendencies among men and women.

With the U.S. being such a large and diverse nation, one has to be careful with generalizations. But if you want a gold-digger (whether you and she admit it or not) and you have a fat bank account, yeah, you can probably find one in the U.S. without too much trouble. And on the other side, if you want someone who is not wowed by money or material things, and has a greater interest in a real relationship, family, community, etc., they can be found too. I just broke up with a girl like that and I'm sure that in the years to come I'll regret that. I just didn't see there being a Mrs. Rey C. in the cards for me. So... But when I broke up with my fiancee years before her, that was a good move. She was EXACTLY like what you're describing. But she wasn't an American. Her family was from Italy and Spain and she was born in Peru. And she had the biggest "princess complex" of any woman I've ever known. I don't miss her. Girls like that can be found in every nation on the face of the Earth.

As for the "independent" women you're meeting in Scandinavia, if it's common for girls there to get offended if you offer to buy them a drink (simply as a way of introducing oneself or expressing interest), then I'm glad I don't have to deal with any Swedish girls. Hyper-sensitive, whiny people get on my last fucking nerve! Hopefully that's just a generalization based on your experiences and they have more social graces and better manners than that. But, probably just like with American girls, I'm sure there are all kinds.

 

[juryduty]

There are Golddiggers in Scandinavia too, they're just not the norm.

Yeah there are a bit too over sensitive in Sweden. I told this amazing looking bombshell of a girl who was struggling to find a job, that she could probably get a job as a waitress or bar tender if she tried since those places tend to hire attractive women. She took that to offense because she didn't want to be judged on her looks. Sigh.

 

[Rey C.]

I'm guessing that line wouldn't go over too well anywhere.

 

[BCT]

Most Americans only care about material things, sorry but its the truth. Men and women.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

In Scandinavia where I've spent the most of the last 7 years at, I find that women are extremely pro-feminist. They often take offense to men trying to buy them drinks and shit. They also tend not to care for big diamond rings and other such superficial nonsenese that has no real value. Of course, there are exceptions, but of the many women I've dated there, independence was more their thing.

When I watch American TV though, or when I'm in the UK, I find that women are far more shallow. You can impress most women who are not university educated, with bling and money. I don't know if it is that way in London or Oxford though as I only have experience in the shittier parts of the UK like Cardiff, Manchester, Newcastle, Hereford, etc. Is it the same way in America?

What I find most amusing is when women want equal rights and pay yet expect everything to be done an paid for them. You can't have it both ways.

There's or there should be a balance in everything. Taking an offense because a man offers you a dinner or a drink or buy you a diamond is as shallow as pretending that a man offers you a drink or a dinner or buys you a ring. Don't forget that new generations shallow women are a direct product of feminism.

 

[juryduty]

http://thyra10.wordpress.com/2013/08/31/so-you-want-to-date-a-scandinavian/

"We do not – and I stress NOT – let the guy pay for dinner. Which is probably one of the reasons why we do not go to restaurants with people we don`t know because what if HE picked up the check? How would we react? Or, for the guys, what is he expected to do with the check? We`ve all seen American movies where the guy picked up the check so he might think he should do it too but he would also know that he might offend the woman if he did. As if she was some pauper who couldn`t pay for her own way. No, going out to eat with someone you don`t know smells social disaster. If you know each other a little better you`ll usually go Dutch (or Scandinavian, as it were) or treat each other depending on a multitude of factors: Who has money right now?, who paid the last time?, who is broke? Whoever has a sausage-like appendix in his pants is not a factor that determines who is to pay the restaurant bill."

 

[Jane Burgess]

Exactly

There's also absolutely nothing wrong with a woman not wanting to date a broke dude with no ambition.
I don't need a rich partner but I need one who has goals and wants some sort of financial stability.

Maybe your perceptions are based on who YOU are interacting with and who YOU tend to be attracted to, it's not a reflection on women as a whole.
There are still a ton of women that aren't going to be impressed by your bank account or what you drive. Everyones priorities in dating and life are obviously different.

 

[SiriPornStar]

The more of juryduty's posts/threads I see, the less I like him.

 

[Philbert]

The more of juryduty's posts/threads I see, the less I like him.

:coolthumb:

resoect, Siri.
:bowdown:

 

[squallumz]

The more of juryduty's posts/threads I see, the less I like him.

+1.

 

[bobjustbob]

The dating scene in Scandinavia is fucked up. Everyone is on their own and openness is an intrusion to them. It's just their culture and as far as I'm concerned they can keep it. Over there a date would be a bike ride or walk through the woods. Nothing where a guy reaches into his wallet. Over here we consider a date as a treat. Something we generally don't do by ourselves on an everyday basis. The women don't feel any pressure when we pay and us guys don't expect anything back. Why? Because most times if I pick up the check she'll offer the tip. If I pay for a movie, she'll generally offer to buy the popcorn and drinks. If she doesn't then it's no big deal. I'm sharing some time with someone. If I buy a woman a drink, she knows it's not a marriage proposal and I'm not going to miss that 5 bucks. I guess we are a more social society then over there.

The ring is tradition just as offering goats to a father is in another culture. The offer of marriage is a binding contract. The offer and ring are good faith to bind your lives as one. If we don't want the contract then we can still live together and the ring rets refunded. No big deal on anyone's part.

 

[juryduty]

Exactly

The more of juryduty's posts/threads I see, the less I like him.

I agree that my opening post was perhaps poorly worded, but is there something wrong with not wanting to date a woman who only wants a guy for his money? I've not lived in America for over 20 years but whenever I read articles about American dating or watch American movies where there is dating, it seems that most people there care more about materialism instead of content.

I said that I don't think women should expect equality if they still expect to have everything paid for them. Is that wrong?

 

[juryduty]

The dating scene in Scandinavia is fucked up. Everyone is on their own and openness is an intrusion to them. It's just their culture and as far as I'm concerned they can keep it. Over there a date would be a bike ride or walk through the woods. Nothing where a guy reaches into his wallet. Over here we consider a date as a treat. Something we generally don't do by ourselves on an everyday basis. The women don't feel any pressure when we pay and us guys don't expect anything back. Why? Because most times if I pick up the check she'll offer the tip. If I pay for a movie, she'll generally offer to buy the popcorn and drinks. If she doesn't then it's no big deal. I'm sharing some time with someone. If I buy a woman a drink, she knows it's not a marriage proposal and I'm not going to miss that 5 bucks. I guess we are a more social society then over there.

The ring is tradition just as offering goats to a father is in another culture. The offer of marriage is a binding contract. The offer and ring are good faith to bind your lives as one. If we don't want the contract then we can still live together and the ring rets refunded. No big deal on anyone's part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5kWu1ifBGU

If the woman is a big earner and the guy isn't, should he still pay for her?

 

[bobjustbob]

If the woman is a big earner and the guy isn't, should he still pay for her?

Yes. It doesn't matter how much either of you make. If we want to make plans to take her out then we expect to pay the bill. It's no big deal. We plan with our budget. Every date is not Champaign and caviar either unless you want to make it that way. It's not a one way street like you think either. The women here also enjoy taking us out too. It is very common for a woman to get tickets to a concert and I'll buy the drinks after the show. You see, it's not the money being spent, it's the planning for a special time together. It's a nice coexistence in our dating world.