RichardNailder
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In my experience, it's more culturally accepted for the man to pay for the woman's meal when going out here in the US than it is in Europe.
Can most American women be bought?
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SabrinaDeep
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For God' sake! It's not a matter of finances. It's about a gesture, like a present for Xmas, making breakfast in bed for the one you love and things like that.
You make it sound like a job. If you date someone and look at their finances to see who pays you are as reliable into a relationship as hair on Elton John's head.
You don't buy someone when you offer a dinner, you just buy a dinner. If the counterparts feel bought they probably have some complex. No surprise that Scandinavians are the least romantic people i've ever met.
I get what you're saying and I agree with you mostly. It's just that there are a LOT of women who go to bars without any money assuming guys will buy them drinks. I prefer talking to a girl for a while, THEN buying her a drink. Often if a guy attempts to start a conversation by buying a girl a drink, she'll thank him for the drink, then walk away.
I'm not saying anyone here would do such a thing, but it is common practice at bars. Hence why I always start with conversation, then offer a drink.
LOL that was uncalled for
So was them claiming I'm alone. Seems I pissed off a lot of women here by saying that I don't think women should expect things paid for, especially if they have their own jobs. Boo to me for wanting equality I guess. I'm all for buying gifts for friends and partners, but it should be like a surprise, something to do to be nice. Not something that's expected.
Philbert
Banned
One of the silliest posts you've ever made.
When I look at my daughter I suppose that warm affectionate feeling I get is , according to you, joy I own a cute kid to show off and get to bring me stuff from the 'fridge?
No love or affection, no commitment to protect her from harm and give priority to her needs over mine...just another possession like my flat screen.
What I'm reading here in the OPs posts is a serious insecurity translated into the usual "I'm the center of the Universe; it starts here and radiates outward. I am the obvious norm and everyone else is just a "spear carrier" in the movie of ME, and since I am seriously insecure so is everyone else, pretty much".
Generosity also includes the attitude of allowing people the joy of doing for others, like accepting a gift with a thank you , not anger and insult.
If looking at a pretty woman and smiling is such an insult, maybe throwing a rock at her for being so pretty and not being your girlfriend would be the preferred course in say, Sweden? Not friendly and complimentary but honestly aggressive?
The reality is the US went through a sequence of "radical Feminism" in the 70s and 80s, but we outgrew that extreme self righteous crap and have moved on; time for the Euros to start living in a more real world and have some freedom to interact without so much self centered introspection of every little act.
I won't get into PC here, I need to watch my blood pressure...
Considering that California was the center of the massive "counter-culture" movement, where possessions were rejected and caring for people, the planet, and not monetary things was a central part of the lifestyle, jd seems to have found his niche with shallow people and completely missed the millions of non-possession driven people all around him...very telling.
Except for that most of my friends are closer to hippies than anything else.One of the silliest posts you've ever made.
When I look at my daughter I suppose that warm affectionate feeling I get is , according to you, joy I own a cute kid to show off and get to bring me stuff from the 'fridge?
No love or affection, no commitment to protect her from harm and give priority to her needs over mine...just another possession like my flat screen.
What I'm reading here in the OPs posts is a serious insecurity translated into the usual "I'm the center of the Universe; it starts here and radiates outward. I am the obvious norm and everyone else is just a "spear carrier" in the movie of ME, and since I am seriously insecure so is everyone else, pretty much".
Generosity also includes the attitude of allowing people the joy of doing for others, like accepting a gift with a thank you , not anger and insult.
If looking at a pretty woman and smiling is such an insult, maybe throwing a rock at her for being so pretty and not being your girlfriend would be the preferred course in say, Sweden? Not friendly and complimentary but honestly aggressive?
The reality is the US went through a sequence of "radical Feminism" in the 70s and 80s, but we outgrew that extreme self righteous crap and have moved on; time for the Euros to start living in a more real world and have some freedom to interact without so much self centered introspection of every little act.
I won't get into PC here, I need to watch my blood pressure...
Considering that California was the center of the massive "counter-culture" movement, where possessions were rejected and caring for people, the planet, and not monetary things was a central part of the lifestyle, jd seems to have found his niche with shallow people and completely missed the millions of non-possession driven people all around him...very telling.
I made this post because I found that what I saw on TV was so extremely in contrast to the way I, or the people close to me, live.
I love how people here make presumptions about my life though.
Philbert
Banned
The simple fact that you base your presumption of Americans on the silly world of TV lets your lameness shine right through,
encouraging people to take your shallowness and lack of character at face value.
But since you love it what's the problem?
As for hippies...they died out generations ago...you must know a lot of slackers.
Harley Spencer
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American TV is a prime reason why so many people from other countries hate Americans. You can't watch TV and take it as reality. It's TV. It's not real. It's fantasy.
However, sure, Americans in general, both men and women, are pretty materialistic, but not in the way you think we are. Like others have said, buying something for someone is about the act, the gesture. You can't simply buy someone a drink and win them over, you have to have a good personality too.
Also, consider that the standard American that most people associate with being American is not the only American. This country is filled with immigrants, so me being American is no different than my Dominican neighbor who moved here and became a citizen being American. Also consider that much of this country is in poverty, so a lot of people can't even afford to buy fancy things.
However, sure, Americans in general, both men and women, are pretty materialistic, but not in the way you think we are. Like others have said, buying something for someone is about the act, the gesture. You can't simply buy someone a drink and win them over, you have to have a good personality too.
Also, consider that the standard American that most people associate with being American is not the only American. This country is filled with immigrants, so me being American is no different than my Dominican neighbor who moved here and became a citizen being American. Also consider that much of this country is in poverty, so a lot of people can't even afford to buy fancy things.
Deepcover
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Nice girlfriend you got there Wormy!
So getting back to the original question.... Sabrina, you're a perfect mix of smart, beautiful, sexy, pervy, and common sense. You Might just be the best thing I ever owned. So, how much to own you?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Even for people who live here, watching TV (especially reality TV) can give a false view of what's what. I don't know which shows are broadcast overseas. But if any foreign guy happened to watch a marathon of The Real Housewives of X (Atlanta, New Jersey, New York and especially Beverly Hills and the OC), I'd say that if he ever visited this country and an innocent, nice American girl just said "hi" to him, he'd spray her in the face with pepper spray and run for his life (in Florida he could shoot her in the face and claim a "Stand Your Ground" defense, I guess). Through one of those six degrees of separation things, I have a (loose) quasi-connection to one of the parasitic hags on the OC version: Gretchen Rossi. I used to work for a company that was a heavy sponsor in CART IndyCar back in the 90's. Gretchen Rossi (later) attached herself (as leeches do) to Jeff Beitzel, who was a fixture at Indy. I didn't know and never met him. But I knew people who were friends of his. He was apparently a solid and good guy - but lonely. He was a multi-millionaire inventor and owned Quantum Fuel Systems (among other companies). Gretchen Rossi, a vulgar, classless, flashy blonde, half his age, appeared about the time that he developed leukemia and was dying. She was married at the time. But an old, dying guy with millions of dollars meant that she was available. She conned her way into his life, married him, cheated on him while he was sick and got the money that should have gone to his kids when he died. One guy I still talk to says that certain people would torture her, put her feet in concrete and dump her in the river if she ever showed her face in Gasoline Alley at Indy again. So she's a clear example of what you're talking about. But I like to think that she's an exception and not the rule. I hope so anyway.
As horrible and superficial as parasitic women like that are, and even though they definitely make an impression on TV viewers (that's why they are paid to be on TV in the first place), I would be careful about assuming that a significant portion of the U.S. female population is anything like that. Would I say that those types of women are more prevalent in places like Orange County, Palos Verdes, Malibu or Beverly Hills (or Georgetown in D.C.
)? Yeah, I would. But I don't *know* that they make up the majority even there.Sitting on a toilet and wiping herself... while posing for a picture. Ain't she classy?!
Now this one you can definitely buy (rent, lease, etc.). 
bobjustbob
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LOL that was uncalled for
It was quite called for. Sabrina has done her share of travel and I'd trust her opinion on this subject. Scandinavians are cultured that EVERYTHING is equal. Our western traditions of courtship and romance are alien to them. Just like the drinks and dinner thing, a man never opens a door for a woman over their. How about helping a woman out of a car? Sure it's a silly act. She can get out of the car just as well as we can, but that gentlemanly act makes a woman feel special. They do their things to make us feel special too.
Will E Worm
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Okay now you're just generalizing. I actually LIVE here so i think i have a pretty good understanding about our culture and i can tell you that you are wrong. "Gentlemanly acts" is a thing over here too, though it's about as rare as it is in America (where i've also travelled quite a bit). Many claim that "the gentleman" is dead, that it's uncool, but i think it's quite nice and dont care if it's outdated.
They work and/or study. They're not slackers. They're just not preocuppied by money and materialism.The simple fact that you base your presumption of Americans on the silly world of TV lets your lameness shine right through,
encouraging people to take your shallowness and lack of character at face value.
But since you love it what's the problem?
As for hippies...they died out generations ago...you must know a lot of slackers.
I ASKED if it was like on American movies and TV shows. I didn't say it was. Is asking a question a sin now?
I guess I still have this bad feeling from this article I read maybe 5 years ago in "Yahoo News" for women about Dating. It stated that women should always expect for men to pay for dinner, drinks and everything. Any guy who doesn't offer this is a loser even if the man earns far less than the woman. I got really irritated at that article when I read it.
I should visit the US, get a more up to date and realistic view on how things are there. I haven't been there in over 20 years so I admit I'm rather clueless. Perhaps I should not have based my question on what I saw on TV.
They show most American reality shows in Europe, including Honey Boo Boo. I'd say people in Europe largely view Americans as fat shallow materialistic assholes. They're quite unpopular actually...Even for people who live here, watching TV (especially reality TV) can give a false view of what's what. I don't know which shows are broadcast overseas. But if any foreign guy happened to watch a marathon of The Real Housewives of X (Atlanta, New Jersey, New York and especially Beverly Hills and the OC), I'd say that if he ever visited this country and an innocent, nice American girl just said "hi" to him, he'd spray her in the face with pepper spray and run for his life (in Florida he could shoot her in the face and claim a "Stand Your Ground" defense, I guess). Through one of those six degrees of separation things, I have a (loose) quasi-connection to one of the parasitic hags on the OC version: Gretchen Rossi. I used to work for a company that was a heavy sponsor in CART IndyCar back in the 90's. Gretchen Rossi (later) attached herself (as leeches do) to Jeff Beitzel, who was a fixture at Indy. I didn't know and never met him. But I knew people who were friends of his. He was apparently a solid and good guy - but lonely. He was a multi-millionaire inventor and owned Quantum Fuel Systems (among other companies). Gretchen Rossi, a vulgar, classless, flashy blonde, half his age, appeared about the time that he developed leukemia and was dying. She was married at the time. But an old, dying guy with millions of dollars meant that she was available. She conned her way into his life, married him, cheated on him while he was sick and got the money that should have gone to his kids when he died. One guy I still talk to says that certain people would torture her, put her feet in concrete and dump her in the river if she ever showed her face in Gasoline Alley at Indy again. So she's a clear example of what you're talking about. But I like to think that she's an exception and not the rule. I hope so anyway.
As horrible and superficial as parasitic women like that are, and even though they definitely make an impression on TV viewers (that's why they are paid to be on TV in the first place), I would be careful about assuming that a significant portion of the U.S. female population is anything like that. Would I say that those types of women are more prevalent in places like Orange County, Palos Verdes, Malibu or Beverly Hills (or Georgetown in D.C.
Sitting on a toilet and wiping herself... while posing for a picture. Ain't she classy?!
AND YET, many people in Europe would love to live in LA or New York if they could.
I hold doors open for women, men and everybody for that matter. I just try to be nice all around. I don't think it should separated by genders.
bobjustbob
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How much USA dating experience could a 21yo possibly have just by having traveled here. Gentlemanly acts are very common and welcomed here. People your age may think it's corny but let me tell you something, it's never a deal breaker. By the same token, at 21, you may not even have a grasp on your own dating culture or what women are like.
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