Breaking: Holy Shit Batman!!! 14 Dead at Batman Masacre

[Hondarobot]

Alcohol results in more deaths, across the board, than guns. The pictures on the wall could be obscene (and viewable by children) and/or communist/Arab/KKK propaganda. So could the magazines on the table. And unless the user is from the far north where snowmobiles are a necessity, they are using up fossil fuels, continuing our dependence on foreign oil, polluting the atmosphere, disturbing migrating/hibernating animals and risking surface erosion. All of these things are much more harmful to the country and to the human race than a handful of people getting shot in a theater.

Again, if you're going to invoke what people need, be prepared to go all the way.

I actually don't own a snowmobile. ;P

 

[Mayhem]

Good. Make sure it stays that way. You don't need one.

 

[Hondarobot]

If I buy one, I'm modding that fucker out with .50 cal turrets, and a smoke machine.

;P

 

[Shifty]

In 1959, Gallup asked Americans whether there should be a law banning the possession of handguns except by police and other authorized persons; 60 per cent said yes. In 2011, 26 per cent replied in the affirmative.

... the country does have a bit of a problem on its hands: 30,000 gun deaths a year from about 300,000 gun-related assaults; a gun in 47 per cent of American households.

... In the gun culture category ... there is no modernized country that comes anywhere near the plight of the United States. It is under the thumb, now and with no end imaginable, of a medieval propaganda machine.

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[Mayhem]

In 1959, Gallup asked Americans whether there should be a law banning the possession of handguns except by police and other authorized persons; 60 per cent said yes. In 2011, 26 per cent replied in the affirmative.

... the country does have a bit of a problem on its hands: 30,000 gun deaths a year from about 300,000 gun-related assaults; a gun in 47 per cent of American households.

... In the gun culture category ... there is no modernized country that comes anywhere near the plight of the United States. It is under the thumb, now and with no end imaginable, of a medieval propaganda machine.

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That's all very cute, but comparing America to other "moderized" countries is sublimely ridiculous. No one has our multi-culturalism and the problems that go along with it. We have every nationality from the rest of the planet living within our borders. We have every religion, dogma, political background, skin tone, language, dialect and world view, calling themselves Americans. This leads to territoralism as a natural by product. How many Hispanics, Turks, Armenians, Southern Africans, Northern Africans, Russians, Kurds, Persians, etc do they have living in Switzerland?

 

[Marlo Manson]

Gun Control: There is no organized way, person, or entity that dare try to keep guns out of the law abiding American citizens of this countries, hands, Bloomberg is insinuating which party has the gull/audacity too suggest that they try and Un-arm the citizens of America, when the police can't even adequately protect its cities and us Americans from the existing criminals, that, Americans would all of the sudden be unable to arm and protect ourselves against the very armed criminals of the country that already cripple the American Police agencies is absolutely ludicrous.

Any party, whether it be the democrats or the republicans, would be insane and know they'd lose what little support they do have presently if they tried to keep or take our guns out of our law abiding citizens hands.

This country was promised our right to bear arms, there are so many guns out there, both legal and illegal, that, no matter what this country tries to do, there is NO way in hell that guns will ever be eradicated or never be part of this countries history, for good or bad, for better or for worse. Guns are here to stay no matter who likes it or not, and there is nothing anybody can do about it, from now, until the end of time.

 

[Supafly]

 

[georges]

As it has been the case in the past, so usual antigun and anti second amendment liberals have spoken.:sarcasm::ohsnap:I can really pity you if you think that police can be everywhere and solve everything. You must be very naive to believe so. Maybe you should worry more about gangs that make drive by shootings and that kill innocent bystanders with full auto illegal weapons. Yet you still focus on fucktard who made a massacre, but maybe you should count how many related victims of drive by shootings were killed during two decades by gangs like ms13, nortenos, surenos, mexican mafia, laitin kings, bloods, crips and black mafia equipped with illegal full auto weapons .
I would rather trust someone equiped with a m1a1 and ready to defend his street against scum than someone in uniform and not willing to counter attack scum and kill it.

 

[C.K. Lawrence]

Colorado suspect charged with 24 counts of murder, 116 counts of attempted murder

In this image taken from video provided by KUSA.com;James Holmes;left;the suspected gunman in Friday's Colorado theater massacre;makes his first appearance in court with his attorney Tamara Brady in Centennial;Colo. on Monday;July 23;2012.

CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Prosecutors on Monday charged a former neuroscience graduate student with 24 counts of murder and 116 counts of attempted murder in the Colorado theatre rampage. Legal analysts expect the case to be dominated by arguments over his sanity.

James Holmes appeared just as dazed as he did in his first court appearance a week ago, but at one point he exchanged a few words with one of his attorneys in the packed courtroom.

The breakdown of the charges was not immediately clear. The July 20 attack at a midnight showing of the new Batman movie left 12 people dead and 58 others injured. After Holmes' arrest outside the theatre, police said they found his apartment was booby trapped. Among the charges was one count of possession of explosives.

Unlike Holmes' first court appearance, Monday's hearing was not televised. At the request of the defence, District Chief Judge William Sylvester barred video and still cameras, saying expanded coverage could interfere with Holmes' right to a fair trial.

The judge also has placed a gag order on lawyers and law enforcement, sealing the court file and barring the University of Colorado Denver from releasing public records relating to Holmes' year there. A consortium of media organizations, including The Associated Press, is challenging Sylvester's sealing of the court file.

Attorneys on Monday also were arguing over a defence motion to find out who leaked information to the media about a package the 24-year-old Holmes allegedly sent to his psychiatrist at the university.

Authorities seized the package July 23 after finding it in the mailroom of the medical campus where Holmes studied. Several media outlets reported that it contained a notebook with descriptions of an attack, but Arapahoe County District Attorney Carol Chambers said in court papers that the parcel hadn't been opened by the time the "inaccurate" news reports appeared.

On Friday, court papers revealed that Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the university. But they did not say how long he was seeing Dr. Lynne Fenton and if it was for a mental illness. An online resume listed schizophrenia as one of her research interests.

Holmes allegedly began stockpiling gear for his assault four months ago, and authorities say he bought his weapons in May and June, well before the midnight shooting spree during a showing of the new Batman film. He was arrested by police outside the theatre.

"This is not a whodunit," said Craig Silverman, a former chief deputy district attorney in Denver. "The only possible defence is insanity."

Under Colorado law, defendants are not legally liable for their acts if their minds are so "diseased" that they cannot distinguish between right and wrong. However, the law warns that "care should be taken not to confuse such mental disease or defect with moral obliquity, mental depravity, or passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred, or other motives, and kindred evil conditions."

Experts say there are two levels of insanity defences. Holmes' public defenders could argue he is not mentally competent to stand trial. If they cannot convince the court that he is mentally incompetent, and he is convicted, they can try to stave off a possible death penalty by arguing he is mentally ill. Prosecutors will decide whether to seek the death penalty in the coming weeks.

Holmes ultimately could enter a plea to the anticipated dozen first-degree murder charges verbally, or his attorneys could enter it for him. Prosecutors may file multiple counts of attempted first-degree murder and other charges against Holmes, whom Aurora police say booby-trapped his apartment with the intent to kill any officers responding there.

Sam Kamin, a law professor at the University of Denver, said there is "pronounced" evidence that the attack was premeditated, which would seem to make an insanity defence difficult. "But," he said, "the things that we don't know are what this case is going to hinge on, and that's his mental state."

Authorities say Holmes legally purchased four guns before the attack at Denver-area stores - a semiautomatic rifle, a shotgun and two pistols. To buy the guns, Holmes had to pass background checks that can take as little as 20 minutes in Colorado.

© The Canadian Press, 2012

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[Kingfisher]

Remember the Supreme Court said that the American Citizen has no guarantee on police protection or assurance of the Police arriving to protect you during criminal activity.
Isn't that wonderful?

Also it's important to point out that a thousand people were killed by hit and run drivers in the past few months. Yet no one is screaming about banning cars? Why? Because it wasn't the car that killed the person, it was the driver. The CO. prick could have walked into the room threw a gallon of gas on the front row then a match.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Not that I am trying to toot my own horn, but I was watching my local news and they actually went to an area Gun Shop to ask the gun dealers what they think would alleviate, slow down, perhaps prevent mass killings and random shooting spree's not unlike what happened in Colorado, and there response was too require a mandatory 10 day cooling off period for any firearms purchase, along with a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH from a psychologist, psychiatrist, or some doctor of mental health before being allowed to purchase a weapon of any size or caliber..

Now in Michigan, in order to obtain a CPL which stands for "Carry Pistol License" the person applying has to take a mandatory 8hour class which teaches you how, what, where, when, why, how to care for and use your handgun, we must shoot our weapons @least 100 - 150 rounds @ the range as part of the class. each shooter or applying applicant is watched by a trained shooting specialist to make sure your holding the weapon, using the weapon, and handling the weapon all with the correct technique etc...

Now I am suggesting that in the process of purchasing a weapon, any 1st time buyer should be required to complete a multi-hour interview with a mental health expert to determine that the person is of sane mind, responsible, and NOT a risk to go fuckin ape shit and kill a bunch of people, I am suggesting that this be a 5 - 10 hours of psych evaluation over the 10 day cooling off period so we have a certified mental expert giving there consent that during those (yet to be determined, mandatory hours being screened and cleared as healthy and sane) that the person is coherent and responsible enough to purchase a weapon.

I actually took my CPL class @ the said gun shop where they interviewed the gun shop owners / and the gun salesmen what they think can be done to prevent atrocities such as what happened in Colorado. and other infamous mass shootings from people who just walked into gun shops with clean background / criminal checks then turned into fucktarded madmen & decided to go out because they felt like killing people with little or no warning. infact I know some of the employee's they interviewed and have talked with them several times before they were interviewed, so when I saw them say what I had mentioned, I thought that would probably prevent allot of this senseless loss of life and secure these weapons & make sure the fuckin NUTS don't get ahold of them, in order too get the attention they seek in a very sick demented way. sorry for the novel, but this is a very heartfelt subject, I am a gun owner and I cherish the right to carry and protect myself, my home, family, & friends etc... and I have also felt the grieving of losing dear friends to murder by guns etc..

 

[Mayhem]

^^^ I'll go along with most of what Marlo says. The big issue is that any "evaluation" process MUST be completely objective and no part of it be up to the "mood" or prejudices of the evaluator. This was the sticking point between "Shall Issue" and "May Issue" states, regarding CCW's. So, for this reason, I don't agree with mandatory psych exams, but rather the need to know that someone has a past of psychiatric issues.

I also don't agree with the term "cooling off" period. But a 5 day background check is reasonable enough.

 

[Marlo Manson]

^^^ I'll go along with most of what Marlo says. The big issue is that any "evaluation" process MUST be completely objective and no part of it be up to the "mood" or prejudices of the evaluator. This was the sticking point between "Shall Issue" and "May Issue" states, regarding CCW's. So, for this reason, I don't agree with mandatory psych exams, but rather the need to know that someone has a past of psychiatric issues.

I also don't agree with the term "cooling off" period. But a 5 day background check is reasonable enough.

When the authorities are doing your criminal background check they also enquire about any mental health issues or if the person has ever been institutionalized or been deemed insane/mentally unstable or in someway mentally unprepared/impaired, and or competent enough to own, handle, or operate a gun in a safe manner, that, that person is sane and responsible enough to own / purchase a weapon, and I don't know if you, have or ever have applied for purchasing a weapon, but its a question on an application, and the applicant can easily LIE, be dishonest, or not reveal any mental issue he or she may have, also, the person may not even know or be sane enough to realize they are not mentally sane and healthy. Thus, without a mandatory psych exam signed and documented within (lets say the last 30 days or so), any FUCKTARD can go & get away with lying @ the gun shop on that very application, and if the GOV doesn't find any documentation of the applicants mental sanity there is huge loop hole that allows a NUT to purchase the firearms he or she wants to go and kill the people they want too, so, I ask why only 5 days? why not 10 days? if somebody has lived without a weapon whats an extra 5 days?

I think your kind of making the process a contradiction of interest, not singling you out mayhem, just saying, the longer the wait the better, sometimes 5 days isn't long enough to determine a persons eligibility to obtain a firearm of any kind. that's why I think a mandatory psych test cuts out any deception the applicant can get around with a check mark or NO answer on an application. just saying if anti-gun people want gun control, there are ways to clutter up the process of purchasing a firearm and make it a whole lot more difficult for any sick fucks to obtain the means to kill via guns.. and it gives the government a way to pick them out before they get firearms too go out kill with. :2 cents:

 

[Mayhem]

If you have a history of domestic violence, assault, if a judge ordered you to anger management, etc. then the process should make it so that it shows up in your 5 day background check. If not, tough shit. My point is, if I go take one of your evaluations, it has to be geared so that if I take one in Ft. Lauderdale, and then take the same eval in Berkeley, both evaluations HAVE TO say the exact same thing. Otherwise it's a broken system and the basic right of Americans to keep and bear arms is being infringed.

We're never going to take the risk out of the 2nd Amendment. There is no realistic system that is going to keep the occasional shooting from happening. That's the price we pay. If you recall a few years ago, there was some sordid affair with NASA astronauts in some kind of weird sex triangle. These are some of the most thoroughly vetted and evaluated people in existence. And yet, occasionally someone falls through the cracks. People are people, the human mind/psyche/emotion is and remains a mystery. We constantly pay the price for people being people, we constantly pay the price for a free society.

 

[Marlo Manson]

If you have a history of domestic violence, assault, if a judge ordered you to anger management, etc. then the process should make it so that it shows up in your 5 day background check. If not, tough shit. My point is, if I go take one of your evaluations, it has to be geared so that if I take one in Ft. Lauderdale, and then take the same eval in Berkeley, both evaluations HAVE TO say the exact same thing. Otherwise it's a broken system and the basic right of Americans to keep and bear arms is being infringed.

We're never going to take the risk out of the 2nd Amendment. There is no realistic system that is going to keep the occasional shooting from happening. That's the price we pay. If you recall a few years ago, there was some sordid affair with NASA astronauts in some kind of weird sex triangle. These are some of the most thoroughly vetted and evaluated people in existence. And yet, occasionally someone falls through the cracks. People are people, the human mind/psyche/emotion is and remains a mystery. We constantly pay the price for people being people, we constantly pay the price for a free society.

All very valid points, and I agree there would have to be a common ground or equal bias in each and every state, there are loopholes and they will be exploited, and I remember the crazy astronaut lady love triangle, and yes people are gonna go off the deep end every now & then, but if a gun shop and the owner and gun salesmen are saying this, they must be able too read peoples demeanor and character pretty well in a very short time period, if they can pick up on people who are allowed to purchase, then go kill a bunch of people, and the gun salesmen suspected as much, There's gotta be a common ground process where everybody is given an equal and fair chance to buy firearms, but @ the sametime, weed out the sickfucks without denying anybodies right to purchase.

I know its a revolving circle of who's right and who's wrong, what makes sense, what will work, and what won't work. I'm just saying if a gun shop and there sales people / owner believes some kind of mental competency should be required to buy a firearm for the 1st time, it should be worked out and regulated so nobody is denied there fair chance, but somehow, somewhere there's a tell-tale way to catch the NUTS before they go out commit mass murder. :2 cents: I don't know how else we can prevent these insane senseless incidents from happening.