Bad news for the adult industry

[b23k]

"Re: Mark Wallice...

Speaking of this scum of the earth prick, if you are further interested in this story, you may want to check out the adultdvdtalk forum which i have posted links to in the past, as one of the very frequent posters there is Tricia Devereaux who was one of the 5 women infected by this 'murderer'.

In relation to this current story, I read in the original post that the guy is alleged to have contracted the virus after unprotected anal sex with a brasilian woman, how do they come to this conclusion? Does she have the virus herself? Sorry if it was clear to everyone else, it wasn't so clear to me!

 

[b23k]

Forget that question its been answered for me in this link, you will want to read this if this topic is of interest to you, like i said alot of pornstars are on this forum, and this thread is katie morgan's views on the issue.

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=37220/forum_id=1/cat_id=1/37220.htm

 

[b23k]

here is another thread, more extensive

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=37099/forum_id=10/cat_id=1/37099.htm

 

[parker]

the government has JACK SHIT to do with how those people risked their own lives and others. That's akin to blaming the State of Texas for someone working at a gasoline refinery, smoking a cigarette, who gets blown up for their carelessness and stupidity.

Personal accountability and responsiblity...WHAT A CONCEPT!

Corporations (like those in the petroleum industry, for example) spend a lot money every year ensuring their workplaces are safe. As much as I love to believe they do so because they care about their workers, the truth is they only spend $$$$ on health and safety because there are laws requiring them to do so and because serious penalties (monetary and/or criminal charges) will be filed against them if they fail to meet the minimum standards.

The summary of the article I'd posted earlier was basically this: (1) that the working conditions on a XXX set were so bad they were more like Third World sweatshop than any (legal) place of business in America and, (2) that many of the actors had been vigorously complaining to their elected representatives, Labour Boards, and other government agencies to enforce existing labour laws. No one was willing to do anything about the problem. If the government, through their silence, makes it clear that they don't care about a problem, I can guarantee you that problem will never be fixed.... anybody who believes in things like " industry self-regulation" when it comes to something like health and safety is kidding himself. Corporations only care about one thing and one thing only..... profit.

There are laws on the books not being enforced... the government has made it clear that they don't care and the industry has responded by further taking advantage of the situation: they've quite literally gone out of their way to grossly ignore even the most basic of US labour laws. Whether their profession is high risk or not, I don't think it's asking too much to give pornstars the same rights afforded to anyone else that has lawful employment in the USA: the right to a safe and sanitary workplace. And yes, I sure as hell blame the Government for that. They're there to do their jobs, not look the other way when somebody breaks the law.

Where's the evidence of this? It was all in the LA Times story. Bloody shame I can't get at it, because, as I stated earlier, it was a real eye-opener of an article.

 

[Hung Lo]

very sad. who was the brazilian woman that gave the dude aids? what a slut

 

[FreeOnes]

Pfft, who cares....bring on the porn

think before you post man!
The whole situation sucks hard. It's a personel drama for the people involved. And it's bad for the whole adult industry.

 

[Lord_mordor]

calm down moni !

its called sarcasm, i know its not good :hatsoff:

 

[b23k]

very sad. who was the brazilian woman that gave the dude aids? what a slut

Thats a bit ignorant, if you read the related threads you will learn as I have, that this guy went and had unprotected sex in a country where that is ILLEGAL to do so within the porn industry. Brasil is known for its problems in this area, and so to go there and do this as he has done, is very stupid and asking for trouble.

And to then do that, knowing he has been part of something risky, and to then go back to the US and potentially infect innocent women...thats the issue.

Not IMO whether some brasilian woman with a big ass is a slut.

And if she didn't have a big ass, what a waste of time! (thats a little humour, hopefully no one takes offence)

 

[big lu]

you may want to check out the adultdvdtalk forum which i have posted links to in the past, as one of the very frequent posters there is Tricia Devereaux who was one of the 5 women infected by this 'murderer'.

B23k- thats a trip. I'm member of ADT too!! I only made like 10 posts over there but Ive been with them for a while. Not to get off topic but that is one awesome board.

I agree with your suggestion though...... Anyone here who is interested in getting the best info about this crisis should click this link below and check out the ADT forum

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=37220/forum_id=1/cat_id=1/37220.htm

 

[big lu]

I quoted the wrong link.

Here is the right one.. This is for anyone who missed b23k's post on the other page .. great info

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=37099/forum_id=10/cat_id=1/37099.htm

 

[member2686]

Parker, nice points about enforcing labor laws. But when speaking about personal accountability and employment, I'm afraid I still cannot see your point. No one FORCES these people to fuck "unprotected." No one forces them to do porn. Just as you or I, in our workplaces, should raise concerns we have if a safety or health (or security) issue arises, so should these people. If the workplace or work conditions are unnacceptable to them, they can walk away. Even those with contracts in the "biz" can break those contracts if there are legitimate health or safety reasons for doing so.

 

[b23k]

B23k- thats a trip. I'm member of ADT too!! I only made like 10 posts over there but Ive been with them for a while. Not to get off topic but that is one awesome board.

I agree with your suggestion though...... Anyone here who is interested in getting the best info about this crisis should click this link below and check out the ADT forum

I'm not a member there and so therefore don't post, just been a long time observer from about 18 months back when i checked out the forum cos i was bored after reading a review....i noticed the odd pornstar and directors on a couple of threads, carried on reading and then realised it was pretty much the 'home of the porn industry' in relation to performers and directors.

So every couple of months, i check it out just to see what is going on, and relay some of the info onto here every now and then.

Did you see Katja Kassin's avatar? Her ass looks damn good. Oh thats another thing i learned, that she is out of the porn industry.

 

[sonny forelli]

I GUESS !!


"BRING OUT THE ALE
THESE MEN ARE THIRSTY"

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:beer: :glugglug:

 

[parker]

Parker, nice points about enforcing labor laws. But when speaking about personal accountability and employment, I'm afraid I still cannot see your point. No one FORCES these people to fuck "unprotected." No one forces them to do porn. Just as you or I, in our workplaces, should raise concerns we have if a safety or health (or security) issue arises, so should these people. If the workplace or work conditions are unnacceptable to them, they can walk away. Even those with contracts in the "biz" can break those contracts if there are legitimate health or safety reasons for doing so.

I'd say that's a very dangerous position to defend. You are, in fact, putting the burden on an employee to quit his or her job when an employer is found gulity of breaking the law rather than punishing the employer for his actions in the first place. That would mean, for example, that a secretary whose being sexually harassed by her boss is herself to blame if her boss eventually rapes her, because, "she should have known better." And if she'd reported the harassment before the rape to the police and they blatently ignored her valid complaint, then the poilce are not at all responsible for their actions because the woman could have quit her job before things went that far.

If you think employers have such little responsibilty for their actions when they break the law, I shudder to think what you expect from them when there is no law to stop them. In fact, if people hadn't stood up to their employers decades (and centuries) ago, those laws that protect the average person from earning lousy pay for working long hours in unsafe working conditions wouldn't even exist.

That's why mulitnational corporations keep "exporting" jobs from 1st World nations like the US to Third World countries abroad... because they can get away with murder (in some cases quite literally) in countries whose governments don't care about things like human rights. Maybe if the auto industry adopted the same working standards used in Mexico they wouldn't have to worry about their plants being shut down and their jobs being sent south of the border. And if the workers don't like it, they can just quit their jobs and find something else, right? Thankfully, America's not run this way, at least not yet. For Detroit's sake, I hope WalMart doesn't start selling cars anytime soon.... they've done enough damage already.

 

[rookie]

This is very terrible news for those involved and their family and friends. Also, very bad news for the adult entertainment business.

It is my understanding that there is a lot of porn shot in Brazil where HIV runs rampant and is considered to be out of control. I also have been told that it is possible to buy test result in Brazil for as little as $10 that show you are HIV free. So why would anyone who cares about themselves want to go to Brazil to shot a porn movie?

I have heard suggestions that if you go to Brazil (or any country that is just as lax) then you should be placed on a 60 day quarantine list and tested again before you are allowed to shoot any other scenes.

I think that the major players (studios and performers) should band together and form some kind of self imposed regulations on this before the federal government steps in and tries to regulate it. Not sure who could enforce the regualtions but it would be something worth looking into.

 

[parker]

I think that the major players (studios and performers) should band together and form some kind of self imposed regulations on this before the federal government steps in and tries to regulate it. Not sure who could enforce the regualtions but it would be something worth looking into.

There's a term for what you're suggesting - organized labour. By and large corporations resist such things, since it means reliquishing some of the power they hold over to the other side... and as we all know corporations hate doing things like that, even in marginal degrees. In the article I've now cited repeatedly they compared the working conditions between a XXX set and the "legalized brothels" found in Nevada. I don't think the prostitutes in Nevada have a union, but the industry standards there are so strictly monitored by the gov't that it actually runs very smoothly. Food for thought, I'd say.

Big business does not bargain in good faith (if I appear to be demonizing them, trust me, they deserve it, lol!). If the actors in XXX were to band together and demand change the studios would prolly fire the lot of them and replace them with more desperate employees from the US or abroad (I bet there's enough "pornstar quality" women in Hungary alone that would take those jobs). The only other recourse would be to have gov't intervene, and as I've stated before, the California gov't doesn't care enough to enforce their own laws on this issue. (BTW, if anybody's wondering "why," it's because the gov't officials are afraid of being associated in any way, shape, or form with pornstars. They're so terrrified of the potential damage it might cause to their political careers that they're perfectly willing to shut their eyes and pretend these violations don't exist.) Corporations may be heartless, but politicians, well.... that'll be the subject of another one of my rants, just not today! lol!

 

[big lu]

I think that the major players (studios and performers) should band together and form some kind of self imposed regulations on this before the federal government steps in and tries to regulate it. Not sure who could enforce the regualtions but it would be something worth looking into. .

OK I also have to disagree with this last point you brought up, Rookie I dont want this to come off like I'm trying to start an argument. Its just a little healthy disagreement I have about your point about government regulations.

This thing didnt happen beause porn doesnt impose regulations on itself. The porn industry already regulates itself pretty heavily enough as it is. That is why throughout the porn industrys 30 year history an AIDs outbreak like this has ony happened two other times.

The reason why the disease has slipped through this time around is because a porn company made the mistake of rushing and doing its productions too close toether back to back without giving any leeway for the AIDs test results. I got this from the the ADT forum. It's mainly from a post by the owner of Anabolc Video. What happened was they shot one video here then another immediately after that in Brazil and then another back the here in the US right after that. Just as you said- these guys were shooting scenes outside the the US in a place where AIDs is running rampant and the AIDs testing system in Brazilian porn is 3rd rate compared to the US's. Over here the performers have to go through mandatory disease testing before each shoot and every 30 days. The problem is it takes 3 months after an exposure for HIV to show up on a blood test. So those tests are all of a sudden no longer effective when a company shoots movies back to back in unregulated 3rd world countries using the same male performers.

The point Im making is porn as a business today is very organized. Porn has been and is doing a good job of self regulating and protecting itself. Proof of this is in the way the industry is dealing with this problem right now. Look at the way they halted production and then isolated and cornered the the outbreak so far by using a chart of names. That's self regulation..already in place. They just need to tighten those test up a little so this doesnt happen again


Another thing you brought up that I disagree with is about the federal government stepping in regulating porn. That is not going to happen because
porn is a big pariah in the eyes of most people and its a business that sits on the edge of the law. It is barely considered to be legal. The government's not concerned with regulating pornography...instead their solution solution to is and always has been to elimanate pornography altogether. The only stopping them from doing that is the fact that porn is afforded a little protection by our constitution... check out the article in the 1st post on this thread

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9978&highlight=retarded



I feel like I'm back in college and typing a paper here but you know, it's a very important topic. I think we all have a love for pornstars here and I would love to see more people throwing their 2 cents in and giving more opinions

 

[big lu]

...instead their solution solution to is and always has been to elimanate pornography altogether. The only stopping them from doing that is the fact that porn is afforded a little protection by our constitution...

Damn! I typed that shit so fast I cant believe I only made two mistakes. What I meant to say was,

"...instead their solution is and always has been to elimanate pornography altogether. The only thing thats stopping them from doing that is the fact that porn is afforded a little protection by our constitution..."

What the hell. You get the picture anyway. BTW -I feel its good we address this f-'d up issue here on this thread ..and IMO- all true porn fans should talk real about the crazy environnment that pornstars exist in

:hatsoff:

 

[Famousbabes]

Adult film industry shuts down

By Gregory J. Wilcox
Los Angeles Daily News

LOS ANGELES -- Much of the San Fernando Valley's multibillion-dollar adult-movie business stopped production Thursday as it banned nearly four dozen actors and actresses from working after two tested positive for the AIDS virus, industry officials said.
Companies that churn out movies in what is estimated to be a $9 billion to $13 billion industry took a cautionary approach to the scare, which was revealed by the health agency that the industry created several years ago as part of its self-policing of sexually transmitted diseases.
"At this point we have delayed production. We're not sure when we will start again because it's too soon to tell what the impact will be. Our main concern is the health and safety and welfare of our talent," said Micsha Allen, marketing manager at VCA Pictures in Chatsworth.
The production halt -- which includes most of the adult-film companies, but not all -- will remain for at least 60 days while testing continues, but could extend beyond June.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04162004/nation_w/157707.asp

 

[parker]

This thing didnt happen beause porn doesnt impose regulations on itself. The porn industry already regulates itself pretty heavily enough as it is. That is why throughout the porn industrys 30 year history an AIDs outbreak like this has ony happened two other times.

That's a good point. The only thing I can say in response is that Sharon Mitchell (who you prolly know heads the porn industry STD testing body) herself has complained that they're not doing nearly enough in the way of testing and that both the gov't and the video companies are shirking their responsiblity in this area. An AIDS' test is only good until that person has sex again, so at the very least you'd have to test every performer before each and every film. That's why testing them every 3 weeks (or so, I can't remember the length of time exactly) is a joke. Also, AIDS may be the most serious STD, but there are other nasty ones out there, and they are running rampant within the porn community.

Look at the way they halted production and then isolated and cornered the the outbreak so far by using a chart of names.

I admit I'm surprised they moved as quickly on this as they did.... I'll give them credit for that.


Another thing you brought up that I disagree with is about the federal government stepping in regulating porn. That is not going to happen because
porn is a big pariah in the eyes of most people and its a business that sits on the edge of the law. It is barely considered to be legal. The government's not concerned with regulating pornography...instead their solution solution to is and always has been to elimanate pornography altogether. The only stopping them from doing that is the fact that porn is afforded a little protection by our constitution.

That could very well be the federal gov't agenda, but I believe Rookie's suggestion was for the State gov't to step in. I can't see that happening myself; as I've said before, gov't officials don't want to be associated with pornstars. But I can't see them wanting to "elimainate pornography altogether" either. I believe in that saying, "money talks," and in this case, the money being generated by the porn industry is so good that I have trouble believing the State would be willing to lose that revenue. The ONLY thing that I could see happening that would make the gov't try and get rid of porn would be if public opinion took a serious turn against them. That's about the only thing I've ever seen influence any gov'ts decisions (besides money, of course).