Are you for abortion or against?
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Geeze, this should be a tame and controlled discussion...
For the record, I don't think it should be illegal. That has nothing at all to do with whether I think it is morally good or bad. I think it is something that, if made illegal, pushes a lot of people to do some pretty desperate things.
Additionally, many people constantly talk about wanting a separation of church and state. If your religious views are entirely separate, there is no justification for denying abortions to consenting adults.
For the record, I don't think it should be illegal. That has nothing at all to do with whether I think it is morally good or bad. I think it is something that, if made illegal, pushes a lot of people to do some pretty desperate things.
Additionally, many people constantly talk about wanting a separation of church and state. If your religious views are entirely separate, there is no justification for denying abortions to consenting adults.
Stupid phrasing of the question. Nobody is “for” abortion, but people are “for” a woman having the right to decide what to do with her own body.
I'm not against abortion as there is no point in bringing a baby into this world it you won't raise it properly but it saddens me how people can create and destroy lives so easily in a matter of hours. There are so many contraceptive methods available nowadays but people, especially the young who don't seem to give a shit still take the risk. Up to a couple of decades ago (not sure when truthfully) people who got pregnant often had to have the baby and were treated like outcasts so people done their best to not have kids out of wedlock etc, now we get the other extreme of youngsters having babies after a drunken romp and they can't even remember who the father is or he's one of several potential people, then you get men and women that hate one another but have a kid together and I can only think why would they be stupid enough to bring a child into this world in a situation like that. Maybe I watch too much Jeremy Kyle (UK equivalent of Jerry Springer) where there is people on everyday who want to know who the father of their baby is and they argue like little spoilt children it makes you sad and angry, sometimes there are teenage girls crying because they've never had a father and when they bring the potential father on and question why he didn't do a dna test years earlier to give the poor girl the answer she needs they say something stupid like they couldn't afford the test or lost the mums number or moved to a different city 
Slight issue with the way the question was worded... Am I for abortion or against it?
I'm not "for abortion," I just don't think it should be banned. So should I answer yes or no?
Maybe a better poll would have been "Are you for or against legal abortion?"
Options:
1) I am for legal abortion
2) I am against abortion being legal
3) No opinion/canot decide
I'm not "for abortion," I just don't think it should be banned. So should I answer yes or no?
Maybe a better poll would have been "Are you for or against legal abortion?"
Options:
1) I am for legal abortion
2) I am against abortion being legal
3) No opinion/canot decide
If you have watched 5 minutes of Jeremy Kyle you have watched too much of Jeremy Kyle!I'm not against abortion as there is no point in bringing a baby into this world it you won't raise it properly but it saddens me how people can create and destroy lives so easily in a matter of hours. There are so many contraceptive methods available nowadays but people, especially the young who don't seem to give a shit still take the risk. Up to a couple of decades ago (not sure when truthfully) people who got pregnant often had to have the baby and were treated like outcasts so people done their best to not have kids out of wedlock etc, now we get the other extreme of youngsters having babies after a drunken romp and they can't even remember who the father is or he's one of several potential people, then you get men and women that hate one another but have a kid together and I can only think why would they be stupid enough to bring a child into this world in a situation like that. Maybe I watch too much Jeremy Kyle (UK equivalent of Jerry Springer) where there is people on everyday who want to know who the father of their baby is and they argue like little spoilt children it makes you sad and angry, sometimes there are teenage girls crying because they've never had a father and when they bring the potential father on and question why he didn't do a dna test years earlier to give the poor girl the answer she needs they say something stupid like they couldn't afford the test or lost the mums number or moved to a different city
If you have watched 5 minutes of Jeremy Kyle you have watched too much of Jeremy Kyle!
I used to think that at first as he used to come across as an arrogant twat but when you see some of his gusts from our great country you can understand his tone, sometimes I think he doesn't go far enough and is way too soft on some guests. All talk shows like this are nonsense at the end of the day but it doesn't stop those vile people who ruin this country existing and if the show can help people discover who their father is (because the mum and dad are too cheap to get a dna test and will let the kid grow up not knowing for sure who the dad is) then I'm all for it. Give it a chance a watch a few full episides :tongue:
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I am against it the only way I for it is because of three reasons
1) Rape
2) Incest
3) It puts the women or child life in danger
1) Rape
2) Incest
3) It puts the women or child life in danger
4) both parents are ginger.
I say Yes, we need all those unborn fetus's stem cells!
I think early abortion should be legal because there is no way in hell you can force a woman to be pregnant.
Also it must be legal to protect medial practitioners - who takes an oath to not do harm to patients - who will end up in bad dilemmas where a patient will tell them "You take it out or I get it done myself".... which will put the patient at tremendous risk.
Essentially doctors are given to chose: break the law and get barred from practicing medicine again... but saving this one patient. Or deny the patient, go on to work medicine and save others, while most likely indirectly causing much harm to this one. That is a choice noone should be forced to make.
Once the fetus is viable though.... no, then it's too late.
/S
Also it must be legal to protect medial practitioners - who takes an oath to not do harm to patients - who will end up in bad dilemmas where a patient will tell them "You take it out or I get it done myself".... which will put the patient at tremendous risk.
Essentially doctors are given to chose: break the law and get barred from practicing medicine again... but saving this one patient. Or deny the patient, go on to work medicine and save others, while most likely indirectly causing much harm to this one. That is a choice noone should be forced to make.
Once the fetus is viable though.... no, then it's too late.
/S
["The Harvest", reprinted from The Smell of Your Own and Other Stories, Harper Collins, 1993]
Disgusting, Dr. Ted Nugent III thinks to himself as he gazes down into the wincing vagina.
All around the mechanical beeping needles his brain as reminder of pathetic human frailty-
the need to monitor, to assist- to undermining the Darwinian mandate by preserving the weak.
And here, exposed so shamefully before him, that perfect case: the unwed, teenage mother,
pregnant by the devil only knows and under what manner of degeneracy, (one can only speculate
as to whether she may even recall the moment, blacked as she most certainly was on alcohol,
luridly available to any and all comers in the back room of a squalid bar somewhere,)
though miraculously not a drug addict, pure human garbage.
What kind of environment produces such waste- the squalor of slum and trailer,
generation after generation unable to educate or raise themselves out of dark-
at one point having threatened to outbreed the rightful inheritors of the earth.
To think that years ago, before the great domination of the lesser nations and the triumph
of the new conservatism, this unconscious being, barely more than an animal,
would have likely undertaken an abortion- that vilest of procedures, and destroy
selfishly the unborn life that belongs not to one so obviously thoughtless in conception,
but to the society it must serve.
No values these under-classes. No morals. Quite simply, incapable of understanding
the value of human life- how utterly precious it is.
He observes her contractions in the spasms of those muscles that once had drawn her,
so irresistibly, to those bestial pleasures, and her screams raise in him a stern satisfaction,
having refused to administer anesthetic and thus better impart the ramifications
of her wanton irresponsibility, unable even to pay her bill, reason all the more not to
grant her the luxury of a painless birth, as though access to medicine were a right and not a privilege.
Perhaps if the liberals and their moronic humanism had succeeded in destroying the country.
Imagine the vast hordes of freeloaders, against all nature living long lives in health and wellness
at the expense of the privileged- why it would be the end of decency!
The doctors smile is carnivorous at the tearing of her dumb lips as the newborn head appears,
streaked with the dross effluvia of the breeder sex- let her find a man now to take pleasure in
her ruined sex part; certainly he would not stitch it up and aid her in the unthinking repetitions
of the cycle which would surely be her fate.
The baby drops like a turd without a trouble- these animals are good at something at least-
he thinks to himself as he hands the dripping infant to the nurse.
Eyes half glazed in delirium and relief, the patient asks is it a boy or a girl.
"A healthy, young girl." The doctor replies.
"Can I hold her?"
"Yes, well, first there is the matter of the bill."
Groggily she:
"But they laid me off at the factory when I got too big for the line."
"Yes, of course." Replies the doktor, turning to the nurse, "It's for the harvest."
"But Ill be able to get a job now and pay the bill!" the girl cries, growing quickly lucid; imploring.
"With a newborn to care for? I think not." Replied Dr. Ted Nugent.
"But Ill borrow the money! Ill pay it off, I swear!" Really desperate now, pleading.
"Yes, well, Im afraid youre credit report contra-indicates that. No, no. It will have to be the harvest.
Rest now."
The doctor injects the hapless girl with the powerful sedative she can now well afford-
in fact, sadly, she will soon find an excess of funds with which to squander on such trinkets
and frivolities as arouse her low amusements, and he shakes his head.
These under-classes never seem learn.
Please is the young girls last, weak utterance as her eye-lids flutter, then glaze fully.
* * *
The nurse coos to the baby as she navigates the greenish hallway of the medical center.
"Sucklin pig night at the All-You-Can-Eat! Calls a particularly well fed co-worker.
You goin' be there?"
"You know I will." The nurse calls back, thinking, only two more hours until I can get off
these aching feet.
* * *
A good one, observes the technician, holding up the plump, naked spunklin' which
the nurse has handed him. Nice and pink.
The nurse withdraws and the technician carefully places the material into the costly
and improved apparatus.
Gingerly he fastens soft straps onto the squirming appendages, making sure they
are rightly positioned as the machine pulls them flat with the gentlest pressure.
Satisfied that all is in place, he presses the green button and settles back in his chair
to enjoy his candy bar and soda.
The machine hums and, after the few moments of perfunctory euthanization,
a green light happily flashes and the whirring blades, laser guided, sharper than teeth,
descend with a relish that can only be described as kind of robotic glee, to incise and pluck,
one by one, the flushed, healthy organs in the joyous harvest.
Disgusting, Dr. Ted Nugent III thinks to himself as he gazes down into the wincing vagina.
All around the mechanical beeping needles his brain as reminder of pathetic human frailty-
the need to monitor, to assist- to undermining the Darwinian mandate by preserving the weak.
And here, exposed so shamefully before him, that perfect case: the unwed, teenage mother,
pregnant by the devil only knows and under what manner of degeneracy, (one can only speculate
as to whether she may even recall the moment, blacked as she most certainly was on alcohol,
luridly available to any and all comers in the back room of a squalid bar somewhere,)
though miraculously not a drug addict, pure human garbage.
What kind of environment produces such waste- the squalor of slum and trailer,
generation after generation unable to educate or raise themselves out of dark-
at one point having threatened to outbreed the rightful inheritors of the earth.
To think that years ago, before the great domination of the lesser nations and the triumph
of the new conservatism, this unconscious being, barely more than an animal,
would have likely undertaken an abortion- that vilest of procedures, and destroy
selfishly the unborn life that belongs not to one so obviously thoughtless in conception,
but to the society it must serve.
No values these under-classes. No morals. Quite simply, incapable of understanding
the value of human life- how utterly precious it is.
He observes her contractions in the spasms of those muscles that once had drawn her,
so irresistibly, to those bestial pleasures, and her screams raise in him a stern satisfaction,
having refused to administer anesthetic and thus better impart the ramifications
of her wanton irresponsibility, unable even to pay her bill, reason all the more not to
grant her the luxury of a painless birth, as though access to medicine were a right and not a privilege.
Perhaps if the liberals and their moronic humanism had succeeded in destroying the country.
Imagine the vast hordes of freeloaders, against all nature living long lives in health and wellness
at the expense of the privileged- why it would be the end of decency!
The doctors smile is carnivorous at the tearing of her dumb lips as the newborn head appears,
streaked with the dross effluvia of the breeder sex- let her find a man now to take pleasure in
her ruined sex part; certainly he would not stitch it up and aid her in the unthinking repetitions
of the cycle which would surely be her fate.
The baby drops like a turd without a trouble- these animals are good at something at least-
he thinks to himself as he hands the dripping infant to the nurse.
Eyes half glazed in delirium and relief, the patient asks is it a boy or a girl.
"A healthy, young girl." The doctor replies.
"Can I hold her?"
"Yes, well, first there is the matter of the bill."
Groggily she:
"But they laid me off at the factory when I got too big for the line."
"Yes, of course." Replies the doktor, turning to the nurse, "It's for the harvest."
"But Ill be able to get a job now and pay the bill!" the girl cries, growing quickly lucid; imploring.
"With a newborn to care for? I think not." Replied Dr. Ted Nugent.
"But Ill borrow the money! Ill pay it off, I swear!" Really desperate now, pleading.
"Yes, well, Im afraid youre credit report contra-indicates that. No, no. It will have to be the harvest.
Rest now."
The doctor injects the hapless girl with the powerful sedative she can now well afford-
in fact, sadly, she will soon find an excess of funds with which to squander on such trinkets
and frivolities as arouse her low amusements, and he shakes his head.
These under-classes never seem learn.
Please is the young girls last, weak utterance as her eye-lids flutter, then glaze fully.
* * *
The nurse coos to the baby as she navigates the greenish hallway of the medical center.
"Sucklin pig night at the All-You-Can-Eat! Calls a particularly well fed co-worker.
You goin' be there?"
"You know I will." The nurse calls back, thinking, only two more hours until I can get off
these aching feet.
* * *
A good one, observes the technician, holding up the plump, naked spunklin' which
the nurse has handed him. Nice and pink.
The nurse withdraws and the technician carefully places the material into the costly
and improved apparatus.
Gingerly he fastens soft straps onto the squirming appendages, making sure they
are rightly positioned as the machine pulls them flat with the gentlest pressure.
Satisfied that all is in place, he presses the green button and settles back in his chair
to enjoy his candy bar and soda.
The machine hums and, after the few moments of perfunctory euthanization,
a green light happily flashes and the whirring blades, laser guided, sharper than teeth,
descend with a relish that can only be described as kind of robotic glee, to incise and pluck,
one by one, the flushed, healthy organs in the joyous harvest.
So, you're "for" abortion if it puts the child's life in danger? Wait... huh?
I just want to point out that the poll question isn't written very well! The way it is written now basically asks you if you have an opinion on the subject: yes, no, or unsure! Ha ha ha! A better way to have written it would be: What is Your Position on Abortion?: Pro-Choice, Pro-Life, Undecided!
For the record...I am Pro-Choice! I always find it amusing when people try to decide what is and what isn't God's will. If God exists...doesn't it stand to reason that he provided man with the knowledge and ability to perform abortions!?!? I used to be Pro-Life when I was younger...then "they" pushed the envelope by trying to outlaw it under any and all circumstances...needless to say they lost me there! Fact of the matter is...if it does not impact you...why the fuck should you even care? Furthermore, I don't often notice all of the Pro-Lifers adopting all of the unwanted children who are born each and everyday in this country! Oh yeah, that's what our prison system is for...I forgot!
For the record...I am Pro-Choice! I always find it amusing when people try to decide what is and what isn't God's will. If God exists...doesn't it stand to reason that he provided man with the knowledge and ability to perform abortions!?!? I used to be Pro-Life when I was younger...then "they" pushed the envelope by trying to outlaw it under any and all circumstances...needless to say they lost me there! Fact of the matter is...if it does not impact you...why the fuck should you even care? Furthermore, I don't often notice all of the Pro-Lifers adopting all of the unwanted children who are born each and everyday in this country! Oh yeah, that's what our prison system is for...I forgot!
