Adultcon = No trannies

[IsobelWren]

I was just reading my talent contract, since I'm going to be exhibiting at Adultcon in a few weeks and I was really surprised to read that transsexual performers cannot exhibit as talent.

From the contract:
1. DEFINITION OF “TALENT”
For the purposes of this agreement, Talent is defined as any non-transsexual individual participating in any form of legal sexual activity, posing topless or nude in photos or video or performing in adult movies,photographs or any other form of recorded medium. Only Talent, as described in this paragraph,may purchase a Talent booth.

Now, I guess I could kind of get their reasoning if Adultcon were a strictly female performers venue. However, the contract explicitly states, "any non-transsexual individual". Biological females AND males can show....it's just the trannies who can't.

What's the deal Adultcon? You're hosting a celebration of the sex industry and you prohibit a serious segment of legit performers? Are t-girls messier, noisier, costlier? Is there an unusual liability issue as far as insurance goes? Why write this into the contract? I'd ponder discrimination, but I'm well aware that a private venue can do anything they want to....I'm just not aware of why Adultcon would want to.

 

[calpoon]

You'd think that Adultcon would be more open-minded than that. I wonder what their justification is there, if they offer any.

 

[Vanessa_Blue]

Actually its not just trannies.... its BBWs too. My guy is representing 4 BBW models that were accepted for a booth, but when the dude that runs Adultcon saw their pictures he denied them the right to exhibit.... he said they had the right to deny them a booth because they were not "height to weight proportional!!!"

Here's a story about it....

http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=31592

Kisses

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www.GirlsCumToo.com

 

[Larry Love]

Not cool that people get excluded. Perhaps there should be a convention for all the stuff that doesn't make it to AdultCon. "Fringe" porn.

 

[jamrak]

well... I do not like trannies, so I accept this form of "discrimination" with both hands!

hm, and cuz I am not fond of overweight chicks (no matter how you call them, bbw, bmw, bbc it is just FAT in my vocabulary) as well, I accept it twice!

my cheers to adultcon!

 

[Vanessa_Blue]

Hey jamrak -- so if Adultcon said no black girls, hispanic girls or asian girls - would that be cool with you too ?

Discrimination is discrimination....

VB

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www.GirlsCumToo.com

 

[Spleen]

Hey jamrak -- so if Adultcon said no black girls, hispanic girls or asian girls - would that be cool with you too ?

Discrimination is discrimination....

VB

www.VanessaBlue.com
www.FemDomX.com
www.GirlsCumToo.com

The way I see it, you are born black, you have no choice. If they didn't allow black performers into Adultcon, that would discrimination.

But trannies had the choice to be trannies or not, and they chose incorrectly.
It might still be discrimination, but it doesnt exactly matter. It's just a tranny, after all.

 

[Larry Love]

It just seems really messed up to me that they don't allow trannies. Personally I'm not into it but there is plenty of Tranny porn and people that are into it. What would be the big deal with allowing a few booths of "fringe" stuff like trannies? Seems contradictory to the whole idea of porn. Well at least to me.

Are MILF's banned too because of age requirements?

They are probably concerned that if they allow too many fringe things it will become a distraction or take away from everything else. But I don't see why they can't allow a little of that stuff.

 

[Johnny D]

Seriously? What's wrong with trannies?

 

[ChefChiTown]

I was just reading my talent contract, since I'm going to be exhibiting at Adultcon in a few weeks and I was really surprised to read that transsexual performers cannot exhibit as talent.

From the contract:
1. DEFINITION OF “TALENT”
For the purposes of this agreement, Talent is defined as any non-transsexual individual participating in any form of legal sexual activity, posing topless or nude in photos or video or performing in adult movies,photographs or any other form of recorded medium. Only Talent, as described in this paragraph,may purchase a Talent booth.

All transsexual performers should label themselves as "she-males". That contract's defintion of "talent" doesn't mention "she-males" at all, so, legally, "she-males" would be allowed at the convention.

Spread the word.

 

[jamrak]

Hey jamrak -- so if Adultcon said no black girls, hispanic girls or asian girls - would that be cool with you too ?

Discrimination is discrimination....

no, it is not that simple.
in fact discrimination and not-meeting-requirements are two different things.

for example, if a fat guy who had never played football before, comes to the football team coach, and asks to sign a contract with him - coach most likely will tell him go to hell. cuz he just does not meet the requirements of a football player. but suddenly he starts complaining about discrimination and put a blame on a coach! is this sick? I guess it is.

another example: imagine there is a thematic party in the club, with some special dress code. but one guy decides to come dressed like punk, and starts to cry that it is his right, and that this is discrimination not to let punks to enter this party. wtf?

I can't get a job of a surgeon, cuz I do not meet the requirments (I even never learned this profession). And it never comes to my mind to say that they discriminate me :dunno:

As well as if it was a beauty contest, or any type of casting - its organizers or sponsors have all the rights to use any criteria and requirements they want. If they wanted to make a contest among fat chicks only, they would say "no slim or slender girls allowed". Not cuz slim girls are worse, but just cuz this is thematic contest. Like any fetish thread at freeones board: of course you can post a link to the gallery of Pamela Anderson in the "hot asian chicks thread", but what for?

It is strange to come at the "miss breast" contest with small tits and ask producer to let you to participate in the contest according to the idea of equal rights or whatever else. The same shit here. Producers make the rules, and set the selection criteria. It is normal.

I think it is more about classification and arrangement, which is useful for fans, rather than about discrimination. As well as there are many gay-porn sites, and those who want gay-porn go visit them and do not expect to see straight sex at this sites.

Strict classification just helps you to find exactly the content which you are looking for

"Topical collections" are everywhere in porn. Is a site dedicated strictly to trannies discriminative towards straight sex lovers? Or a site dedicated to asian/black girls? Is it an example of discrimination against white girls? No. It is just kinda thematic clipart.

Or should there be a section for any type of porn at any site? A gay section not to offend gays, a bbw section not to offend fat chicks, a midget section not to offend midget lovers, and so on... I think it is dead end street.

The same shit is with music. Imagine some hip-hop label which is specialized on rap and r'n'b artists. And one day some metal-goth-punk band came to the office of the producer and asked him to sign a contract with them. "No, we are not interested in this genre" would be the reaction. But would it be a discrimination? Hardly.

Real discrimination is when you can't walk through some district of the town without buncha assholes pointing fingers at you and making jokes about color of your skin, or even beating you, saying that "you fucking ***** entered out territory"

 

[pornlaw]

For everyone that doesnt think its discrimination to tell someone that they cant have a booth based upon their weight ( obesity is a protected medical condition under the ADA ) here's a link to California's Unruh Act.

http://www.dfeh.ca.gov/publications/publications.aspx?showPub=36

Vanessa told me about this thread and some of the responses. Since I am the lawyer handling the case I just want to give you guys some information...

Michael

 

[whatshisname]

no, it is not that simple.
in fact discrimination and not-meeting-requirements are two different things.
...
Strict classification just helps you to find exactly the content which you are looking for

"Topical collections" are everywhere in porn. Is a site dedicated strictly to trannies discriminative towards straight sex lovers? Or a site dedicated to asian/black girls? Is it an example of discrimination against white girls? No. It is just kinda thematic clipart.

The whole point of the original post is that this is not strict classification and definitely not a "topical collection." It's a very broad definition of whose allowed, with some very specific exceptions. That's why it doesn't makes sense. Chicks are allowed. Guys are allowed. G/g is OK. B/g is OK. Nothing in the contract says that b/b isn't allowed. It's a very broad classification of porn, which is why it doesn't make sense to exclude a particular segment.

If this were a case where discrimination law applied (and I'll take Isobel's word that it's not), there would be an issue of whether the "requirements" are reasonable. If you want to hire someone to play the role of a white person in a movie, obviously it's OK not to consider African Americans. On the other hand, if you own a restaurant and you say, "I won't hire black waiters because dark skin doesn't match the decor," that "requirement" isn't going to hold up in court.

If they wanted to say, "We're not interested in guys because this is only directed at an audience that likes women," that would obviously be reasonable. But if they say, "We're aimed at a general audience, and we're interested in pretty much everybody -- except they have to be HWP non-trannies," that doesn't seem reasonable. Indeed it seems rather silly.

 

[Will E Worm]

Discrimination is discrimination...

:hatsoff:

I will wait for the lawsuit articles.

 

[IsobelWren]

If they wanted to say, "We're not interested in guys because this is only directed at an audience that likes women," that would obviously be reasonable. But if they say, "We're aimed at a general audience, and we're interested in pretty much everybody -- except they have to be HWP non-trannies," that doesn't seem reasonable. Indeed it seems rather silly.

Exactly!

 

[stampede2873]

Adultcon, I thought, is a promotion of all things in the "adult" world. Am I wrong?

I understand a need to impose limitations, however, these kinds of limitations are excluding a HUGE amount of adult genres that generate a decent amount of money as well as fans.

The people that are responsible for Adultcon should be more forthcoming in an explanation for they're limitations rather than BS excuses.

Call me quick on the draw, but it seems that those in power behind Adultcon are catering more to themselves than to the public.

 

[Vanessa_Blue]

Jamrak, You need a big titty hug! :lovecoupl

I love your breakdown on what's what but frankly I think you're a bit off base here on what's important. Discrimination based on 1 persons personal preference.
Let's pick the musical point you made about producers choosing which artists they should or shouldn't work with based on their main selected musical genre.
Ever heard of Babyface?(Phil Collins,Celine Dion,japanese singer-Ken Hirai)
N.E.R.D. and Pharrell?(Britney Spears, Madonna)
Wu-Tang clan's "the RZA" (who does all the soundtracks for Quentin Tarantino's movies)
Timbaland (Nelly Furtado & Justim Timberlake)
P. Diddy (Christina Aguilera & designer apparel)

Even the average to the not-so-average r&b/hip-hop music producer in todays world understands that in order to make maximum $$ you must be as diverse as the audience who buys your music.
Good business people don't discriminate when it comes to $$ and for a Pornstar Trade show to exclude an artist(pornstar) who works in the same business they're in is as narrow minded as some egotistical freak deciding that you need to see a 8th year of American Idol.....:eek:
Damn! If diversity were a bad thing we'd all be jerking off to Jenna Jameson right?

Unless you like it when others decide what kind of porn you rub one out to?
Because that's what's happening, someone is deciding for us.
I don't know about you but I like to watch porn outside the norm and it sucks knowing that I may never get to meet my fav performers because they are on someones list of what's not hot.
Shit like this is the reason you don't see alot of black pornstars at your favorite upscale strip club as a feature dancer. We're not on the main list of what's hot..... And that's why I love the web. Everyone's list is different and there's enough love for everyone, fat, skinny, black or white.

Oh and the last time I checked fat girls are fun and hot Jamrak! Plus IMO they usually give much better head then their skinny counterparts.....
Yeah I said it!

Don't hate, masturbate.:thumbsup::wave2::glugglug::nanner::hatsoff:

 

[don_equis]

Good!

 

[ChefChiTown]

Even the average to the not-so-average r&b/hip-hop music producer in todays world understands that in order to make maximum $$ you must be as diverse as the audience who buys your music.

It's not about being diverse in the music business. In fact, it's the complete opposite. Today's music producers understand that people will listen to whatever crap they serve them, so they mass produce bullshit because it makes them money. All music is beginning to sound the same, because the lack of diversity that is involved.

There are a few mainstream producers who produce most of the songs you hear on the radio, which is why they all sound the same. Diversity in the music business? Is there such a thing anymore?

Shit, all hip-hop music sounds exactly the same. All country music sounds exactly the same. All rock music is even beginning to sound the same. I can't tell the difference between Hinder, Seether, Saliva or any other rock band because they all sound exactly the same.

Good business people don't discriminate when it comes to $$...

That's true, but only to a very narrow point.

Just look at McDonald's. They are one of, if not the most successful business in the United States. Why? Because they sell hamburgers. Sure, they have chicken sandwiches and some salads, but they got as big as they are because of their hamburgers and fries. It was their lack of diversity that allowed them to be so successful.

Like I said, they eventually branched out and tried new things, but they were already a dominating business before they tried diversifying their menu.

and for a Pornstar Trade show to exclude an artist(pornstar) who works in the same business they're in is as narrow minded as some egotistical freak deciding that you need to see a 8th year of American Idol.....:eek:
Damn! If diversity were a bad thing we'd all be jerking off to Jenna Jameson right?

Different strokes for different folks...literally, in this case. :1orglaugh

Unless you like it when others decide what kind of porn you rub one out to?
Because that's what's happening, someone is deciding for us.
I don't know about you but I like to watch porn outside the norm and it sucks knowing that I may never get to meet my fav performers because they are on someones list of what's not hot.
Shit like this is the reason you don't see alot of black pornstars at your favorite upscale strip club as a feature dancer. We're not on the main list of what's hot..... And that's why I love the web. Everyone's list is different and there's enough love for everyone, fat, skinny, black or white.

Unfortunately, live events aren't the internet. Maybe this convention is denying transsexual performers because the majority of the crowd would be turned off by such a thing. On the internet, you can choose what you look at. But, when you go to that convention, you are forced to be exposed to everything that is there, including the transsexuals.

They probably don't want to risk turning the majority of their crowd away by having a bunch of transsexuals running around.

Personally, I think they should allow ALL performers, but I can completely understand why they wouldn't want transsexuals to be there.

 

[Vanessa_Blue]

Awww Chef, I know we all got our opinions and your right on alot of points but.....
It still sucks.

It's just messed up that people think a tranny or a bbw may ruin your mind but watching choking,donkey punching, bukakkes, sperm cocktails and male to female felching fantasies are a-ok for the world....LOL

And as for music I don't agree that all the music sounds alike to an extent.(except for east coast rap and country music) I think there are just more people thinking they need to sound like someone else to be heard but they always disappear just as fast as they arrived, don't they?
And whatever happened to the master-copycat, Weird Al Yankovich? We need a good humor song right about now....

Oh fuck it. I'm gonna just stick to watching plushie porn. No one get's their feelings hurt.