Adolf Hitler

[lurkingdirk]

:1orglaugh

Yeah. The whole world is out to get you. If you were a more agreeable person, you wouldn't find so many people jumping on you. I have no desire to get into a "what did I say that wasn't true" debate with you. Not because I couldn't win, but because you're just so much of a douche that it doesn't matter whatsoever. Stop being so angry and inflammatory. That's all I'm saying.

Or continue being a giant douche. You know, if that gets you off. It certainly seems to.

 

[Philbert]

:1orglaugh

Yeah. The whole world is out to get you. If you were a more agreeable person, you wouldn't find so many people jumping on you. I have no desire to get into a "what did I say that wasn't true" debate with you. Not because I couldn't win, but because you're just so much of a douche that it doesn't matter whatsoever. Stop being so angry and inflammatory. That's all I'm saying.

Or continue being a giant douche. You know, if that gets you off. It certainly seems to.

Translation...
I know you (Philbert) are on the side of right and good, and most of your detractors are braindamaged dickheads like Fairpoint, Nestor6, Freeryan, and of course they are always bitching at getting buttwhipped for the crap they spout.
You (Lickingdick) seem to have some butthurt when it comes to me, as evidenced by your jumping in with the idiots to give me some non-specific shit.

Do the point-it-out thing, or make some more titty poetry and go fuck yourself.

 

[assari]

Hitler's supporters;

Companies

-IBM

-Daimler-Bentz

-Standar Oil

-IG Farben

-ITT

-Swiss BIS Bank

-The Swiss National Bank

-The Swiss Federal Railways



Indivíduals

-Henry Ford

-Sir Henry Detering

-Charles Lindberg

-Joseph Kennedy (Kennedy Family Patriarch)

-Prescott Bush (George W Bush Grandfather)

Etc. etc.

 

[Philbert]

OK assari; give me some links where it shows these American companies and businessmen gave money to the Nazi Party to support them.
I don't wanna hear the usual whine about doing business with the German gov't aka the Nazi Party; I wanna know how much and how often they donated funds to Hitler directly as support. And when...after Germany attacked and slaughtered the (horse) Mounted Calvary of Poland with Panzers and Stukas, or before hostilities?
I did not know these people gave cash to Adolf and the Nazi Party, I would like some collaboration on these claims you are making.
Supporting is entirely different than doing business.

 

[mikexmoran]

Hitler's supporters;

Companies

-IBM

-Daimler-Bentz

-Standar Oil

-IG Farben

-ITT

-Swiss BIS Bank

-The Swiss National Bank

-The Swiss Federal Railways



Indivíduals

-Henry Ford

-Sir Henry Detering

-Charles Lindberg

-Joseph Kennedy (Kennedy Family Patriarch)

-Prescott Bush (George W Bush Grandfather)

Etc. etc.

I'm not going to get into each of these, but being Anti Semitic, a racist, or a business man focused on profit (potentially throwing ethics overboard) doesn't make you a Nazi or Hitler supporter. Also, being on the wrong side of politics before WWII began for the US doesn't make you friends with Hitler or a Nazi either. Conspiracy theory web sites are not a great place to get facts.

 

[assari]

OK assari; give me some links where it shows these American companies and businessmen gave money to the Nazi Party to support them.
I don't wanna hear the usual whine about doing business with the German gov't aka the Nazi Party; I wanna know how much and how often they donated funds to Hitler directly as support. And when...after Germany attacked and slaughtered the (ho rse) Mounted Calvary of Poland with Panzers and Stukas, or before hostilities?
I did not know these people gave cash to Adolf and the Nazi Party,I would like some collaboration on these claims you are making.
Supporting is entirely different than doing business.

I'm not going to get into each of these, but being Anti Semitic, a racist, or a business man focused on profit (potentially throwing ethics overboard) doesn't make you a Nazi or Hitler supporter. Also, being on the wrong side of politics before WWII began for the US doesn't make you friends with Hitler or a Nazi either.

Some of these people (like Charles Lindberg, Henry Ford and JFK's father Joseph Kennedy) were Nazi sympathizer and other were business partners.

It is difficult to say that what was their real motive, but in general business people and politics want to to advantage of the situation.

When money talks morality is often forgotten.





http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081209100543AAplGsr

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/One_Who_Knows_Fire_From_The_Sky_Part_30.html

http://www.traces.org/charleslindbergh.html

 

[Philbert]

Some of these people (like Charles Lindberg, Henry Ford and JFK's father Joseph Kennedy) were Nazi sympathizer and other were business partners.

It is difficult to say that what was their real motive, but in general business people and politics want to to advantage of the situation.

When money talks morality is often forgotten.




http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081209100543AAplGsr

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/One_Who_Knows_Fire_From_The_Sky_Part_30.html

http://www.traces.org/charleslindbergh.html

"Debate continues today as to whether Lindbergh was a “Nazi sympathizer” or whether he simply sought to keep America out of the war."
Same for H Ford..."no war" isn't a sympathizer.

I guess you didn't read any of the stuff you linked to...I call bullshit on your post, nothing worth reading. Even you agree, huh?

 

[assari]

I guess you didn't read any of the stuff you linked to...I call bullshit on your post, nothing worth reading. Even you agree, huh?

Maybe you're right, maybe those people were not Nazi sympathizer, but it seems that many people believe that they were associated with the Nazis.

What is the truth...I do not know, but their names are often mentioned when people talk about these things.

Maybe some independent history expert can tell us more.


http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot540.html

 

[Philbert]

Maybe you're right, maybe those people were not Nazi sympathizer, but it seems that many people believe that they were associated with the Nazis.

What is the truth...I do not know, but their names are often mentioned when people talk about these things.

Maybe some independent history expert can tell us more.


http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot540.html

Just read the fucking links you provided, and stop wasting time posting BS even YOU know is wrong.

 

[mikexmoran]

There are conspiracy films and web sites that do a pretty good job in either distorting the truth or taking leaps of faith and trying to present them as fact. It can become pretty confusing picking out what is fact and what is spin. Paying attention to sources that are tertiary, but cite the primary source is pretty important.

I saw a Netflix video the other week that caught me off guard. They stated all the great things that JFK said in his speeches as if he was actually doing all of those things. Regardless of how you view JFK, he didn't set all of his speech ideas into motion. The video propped him up to be a saint. Perhaps he did save the country at points. Then they went on to paint the picture of how Prescott Bush and Dulles were Nazis. They would take pictures of their heads and put them on nazi uniformed bodies. They would take pictures of them and put a nazi arm band on them. It was laughable, except that they did it over and over and over...which is an effective method of convincing someone. They had GH Bush "41" leading the hit squad on Kennedy. Hey, it may be true, but there is no evidence of it. (Except for the evidence that actually existed that had nothing to do with GH Bush that they literally changed to fit their needs. )

I actually think Assiri's intellectual curiousity is a good thing. The discussion is also a good one. - One could make the argument that is you are antisemitic and have financial dealings with the Nazis that you do support them. I think they were just greedy people, antisemitic in many cases, and were just looking to make a profit, and...yes, in many cases anti-war.