Adolf Hitler
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Poor military leader ? The man conquered all Europe except England and you say he was a poor military leader ?!
The only thing that caused his defeat was that, by the end of 1941 the ideologist took over the tactician, blinding him, causing him to negelct the strengh of the russian wich he deprived because they were communists. This caused the failure of Operation Barbarossa
As a political leader ? He brough the nazi party from nothing to the biggest political party in, the country, within 8 years.
Whjen he arrived, Germany was crippled by the economic crisis and the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles wich forced germany to pay terrible financial penalties because of WW1. Within 6 years he rebuilted the economy and made the german army the most powerfull army in the world (even though the US army would be much stronger later i the war, in 1939, the US Army wasn't very impressive, no offense.).
The only thing that caused his defeat was that, by the end of 1941 the ideologist took over the tactician, blinding him, causing him to negelct the strengh of the russian wich he deprived because they were communists. This caused the failure of Operation Barbarossa
As a political leader ? He brough the nazi party from nothing to the biggest political party in, the country, within 8 years.
Whjen he arrived, Germany was crippled by the economic crisis and the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles wich forced germany to pay terrible financial penalties because of WW1. Within 6 years he rebuilted the economy and made the german army the most powerfull army in the world (even though the US army would be much stronger later i the war, in 1939, the US Army wasn't very impressive, no offense.).
so you're a nazi? you consider Hitler a good leader, wow, amazing.
The final result is decisive.
The German army beat British and French army, but the Red army defeated Wehrmacht.
"Give me ten years and you will not able to recognize Germany"
(Adolf Hitler 1935)
Philbert
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You really need to get some help with that deformed historical perspective.
Just the Battle of Britain shows how unsuperior the German military were, and how good the British were, considering the years of preparation Germany had in military forces.
And once the US got rolling, it was Good Night superior German war machine...British and American forces, with allies, rolled the entrenched Germans back to the bunker with Adolf and Eva...got real crowded in Germany with all the allied forces pouring in.
The German Army never paid too much of a housecall in Great Britain and the US...
Last Man Standing kinda thing...
As for rising to power...wow.
If I kill you, you aren't gonna beat me in a political contest...the fact that Hitler took over the government of Germany by Black Shirts, political gamesmanship, and outright "do what I say or die" politics is just how the whole thing went everywhere...kill French people if a guerilla op kills a few soldiers or blows up some ammo.
How many were killed as an object lesson to inferior people by the Germans?
And the entire continent was determined to destroy Germany no matter how long it took...how superior is that?
Not so much...
I think that the main British army would have been properly beaten up if it had faced the German army in France in 1940.
Channel saved British from that fate.
It is historical truth that it was the Red Army who stopped the the Wehrmacht for the first time and forced it to retreat in the winter 1941/1942.
Philbert
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So...if God sent angels to carry off the German Army, they actually won except for the angels; so Britain should just surrender?
It's a fact that there wasn't a village in the whole of Germany without some occupation forces dropping by, so I guess that theory of yours didn't fly, huh?
I am referring to the fact that the British were beat up by German army in Norway (1940) in France (1940) in Crete (1941) and also in Africa.
England resisted and fought better than germans because there pilots were fighting for their homes, for their country and germans weren't fighting for any of these things. You always fight better when you fight for something that really matters.
The same thing happened in Russia : russians were outgunned, poorly equiped but they were fighting for their country, their cities and this is why they were able to stand and stop the german's progress for weeks, buying time for the russian warmachine to set-up, enough time for the winter to came and freeze the germans to the bones. And once the russian war-machine was ready, it crushed the german army that was already weakened by the cold and by weeks of guerrilla.
Philbert
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You keep nit picking individual facts and seem to think that backs up your original claim...not.
The Germans lost 'cause they were inferior to the forces around them...just ask Israel or the Navy SEALS about numerical or mechanical superiority guaranteeing victory.
Whatever the reason not prepared for, or the will to continue no matter what facing a well equipped military, the German military was not able to take the victory no matter how well equipped or trained they were initially.
No will to win is useful to a dead man...the Brits beat back the Krauts from a superior position, superior logistics, aircraft, and determination...the Germans lost everywhere, it took longer in some areas and less in others.
Well, executing Operation Barbarossa without defeating England (Sea Lion) was the beginning of the end.
Philbert
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A good chess player losing to a lower ranked player is because...he was outplayed.
Germany entered an arena (war) and played, in the end, badly and lost.
If Jesus was on the German's side, if Hitler had invited the German Jews to join the war effort instead of murdering them, the gypsies as covert saboteurs, etc...they were not up to the task and lost big time.
What might have been is irrelevant; Operation Barbarossa is a good example. So many other scenarios would have produced German armies with manpower, supplies, and time to have reduced Russia to a non-entity.
When the US entered the war, it was over except for the time needed. Hindsight shows us a non-nuclear Germany was lost.
If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.
I think it was heading in a bad direction before the US "entered" the war. The Japanese didn't do any favors to Hitler though.
How does utter failure in the end make him a great leader?
Philbert
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Actually, it didn't.
He beat his way into power, murdered millions, and took Germany down with him .
Although we all loved the Volkswagen Beetle.
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