2013-14 Football ("Soccer") Thread

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Haha, dickheads. "Tigers" is just a nickname. They're Hull City FC, Hull City, or just Hull. It would be fucking terrible if all the Prem teams went by their nicknames like American Football. Then we'd have to talk about "The Stoke Potters vs The Norwich Canaries," "The Swansea Swans vs The Arsenal Gunners" and, errr, "The Tottenham Spurs vs The Chelsea Lions." :pukey:

Incidentally as a Villa sympathizer, you'll like this. There was a slight suggestion Jan Vertonghen may have pulled at Robert Helenius at 1-0. What do you think, is this a penalty?

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Tough call.
 
Haha, dickheads. "Tigers" is just a nickname. They're Hull City FC, Hull City, or just Hull. It would be fucking terrible if all the Prem teams went by their nicknames like American Football. Then we'd have to talk about "The Stoke Potters vs The Norwich Canaries," "The Swansea Swans vs The Arsenal Gunners" and, errr, "The Tottenham Spurs vs The Chelsea Lions." :pukey:

Incidentally as a Villa sympathizer, you'll like this. There was a slight suggestion Jan Vertonghen may have pulled at Robert Helenius at 1-0. What do you think, is this a penalty?

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Tough call.


Oh man, i'm just laughing my ass off ha ! Britain's Got Talent comes to mind.
 
Bum face Gerrard and his merry band of thieves humiliated at Old Trafford. Their season is over before the end of September. What a shame.
 
In previous seasons I might have worried about Swansea being a bit tired for their game away to Birmingham with Jesse Lingard up front - who netted four goals on his Birmingham debut on Saturday - but Laudrup has got a really strong squad now, he can rest a couple from the weekend, play the team that beat Valencia on Thursday and still expect to have enough for them. I might worry about Stoke though, Tranmere have upset the big boys before.

Clearly, I know fucking nothing. Lingard wasn't even in the squad and Smallheath still knocked the holders out.

3rd round results :
Last night :
Aston Villa 0 - 4 Tottenham
Burnley 2 - 1 Forest
Hull 1 - 0 Huddersfield
Leicester 2 - 1 Derby
Man City 5 - 0 Wigan
Southampton 2 - 0 Bristol City
Sunderland 2 - 0 Peterborough
Swindon 0 - 2 Chelsea
Watford 2 - 3 aet Norwich
West Ham 3 - 2 Cardiff
Fulham 2 - 1 Everton

Tonight :
Birmingham 3 - 1 Swansea
Man Utd 1 - 0 Liverpool
Newcastle 2 - 0 Leeds
Tranmere 0 - 2 Stoke
West Brom 1 - 1 aet Arsenal ; Arsenal win on pens

FOURTH ROUND DRAW
Sunderland v Southampton
Leicester City v Fulham
Birmingham City v Stoke City
Manchester United v Norwich City
Burnley v West Ham United
Arsenal v Chelsea
Tottenham v Hull City
Newcastle United v Manchester City

Either Arsenal or Chelsea will be out before the Quarters! Yay!
 
Premier League Coverage Pays Off for NBC

STAMFORD, Conn. — It was teatime here in NBC’s Studio 3 as Liverpool began playing Southampton in England’s Premier League on Sept. 21.
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The control room at NBC Sports studios in Stamford, Conn.

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Richard Scudamore, left, the Premier League’s chief executive, with Mark Lazarus, the NBC Sports Group chairman. Both have seen success with the network’s coverage.
“How stereotypical,” said Rebecca Lowe, the host of “Premier League Live,” referring to ******** tea as she held a full Royal Wentworth cup.

Lowe is part of the pervasive British flavor of the NBC Sports Group’s coverage of Premier League soccer, which began last month under a three-year contract. Her tea-******** co-analysts that day, Robbie Earle and Robbie Mustoe, former players, are also British. All the games are produced in England by Sky Sports, BT Sport or the league, and are called by British announcers. Only the analyst Kyle Martino, a former Major League Soccer player who joins Lowe, Earle and Mustoe in the studio, is American.

In addition to the analysts’ expertise, NBC might be banking on the authenticity and familiarity that British voices and productions bring to the Premier League as the soundtrack for its coverage. But the network has taken an American approach to promoting the group, with billboards in Times Square and a humorous video starring the actor Jason Sudeikis as an American coach in England who does not know the rules of the game. The video promotion has been viewed online by more than 5.7 million visitors.

Lowe was tickled that she has delivered Premier League reports Sundays on NBC’s “Football Night in America” pregame show, bringing Wayne Rooney to an audience far more familiar with Dan Rooney.

“I’ve never been with a company that has invested so much on marketing,” said Lowe, who previously worked for ESPN U.K. and the BBC.

So far, the formula is working. NBCSN’s 22 telecasts have been seen by an average of 391,000 viewers, 70 percent better than the average game last season on Fox Soccer, which carried most of the games, and ESPN and ESPN2, which broadcast about one game a week in a licensing deal. NBCSN, however, has about twice as many subscribers as Fox Soccer. More important, at least to NBC, is that NBCSN’s daily viewership from Aug. 17 to Sept. 22 swelled 67 percent, to 77,000 viewers.

That is still a fraction of ESPN’s 1.2 million in that period and fewer than the month-old Fox Sports 1’s 121,000. But the highs are getting higher. Last Sunday afternoon, 852,000 viewers watched Manchester City trounce Manchester United, 4-1, in one of the Premier League’s marquee early-season matches. That was the biggest audience so far on NBCSN.

John Guppy, a veteran soccer executive who founded Gilt Edge Soccer Marketing, said, “What they’ve done — and it’s not that Fox didn’t do it, but maybe it comes across more directly to consumers — is they’ve made the Premier League feel special and important.”

NBCSN has become the NBC Sports Group’s Premier League centerpiece, filling as many as 40 hours a week on the cable network. Mark Lazarus, chairman of the NBC Sports Group, said the kickoff times of Premier League games, as early as 7:45 a.m. on Saturdays on the East Coast, had helped. Even the day’s latest matches start before American football games begin to dominate the channel lineup.

“They’re largely in windows without live sports,” Lazarus said. “It’s not totally unencumbered, with college football Saturday afternoon and the N.F.L. on Sunday. But the beauty of this league is that it goes from August to May.”

The Premier League’s success has helped Major League Soccer, which also has games on NBCSN. Viewership of the eight M.L.S. games on the network since coverage of the Premier League began on NBCSN has jumped 60 percent, and the number of unique visitors to M.L.S. games streamed by NBC has soared 322 percent. All of that should help M.L.S. in talks to extend its contract beyond next season.

For the NBC suite of networks, the Premier League was a property to covet. NBC wanted to capitalize on the league’s popularity and to breathe oxygen into NBCSN, which will show 154 of the 196 games that the NBC ****** of networks is televising; NBC is showing 21 games this season, with others on CNBC, USA, Telemundo and Mun2.

Another 184 games, which are not being televised, are available free at Premier League Extra Time, a service available to cable, satellite and telephone subscribers. The entire season of 380 games is being streamed on NBC Sports Live Extra.

Lazarus is politic enough not to declare that NBCSN’s identity has quickly become tied inextricably to the Premier League. That would irk other leagues it carries or longtime properties, like the Tour de France. NBCSN also carries the Olympics every two years.

Still, during an interview here at NBC Sports international broadcast center, Lazarus said: “It’s part of our definition, but you have to put it up with the N.H.L. This adds another pillar product to go with the N.H.L., and I think Nascar will be the third.”

NBC is paying the Premier League $250 million over three years, still triple what Fox Soccer was paying annually. NBC’s winning bid defeated one made jointly by Fox Soccer and ESPN. Fox Soccer folded and became FXX, an entertainment channel, but plans were in place during the bidding process to show Premier League games on Fox Sports 1.

Richard Scudamore, the Premier League’s chief executive, said in an interview last week that some American club owners were nervous about shifting the United States rights to NBC.

“But now they’re saying it’s the best thing we’ve ever done,” he said.

Still, John Henry, the owner of Liverpool, one of the Premier League’s cornerstone clubs, said he had no skittishness about selling the league’s rights to NBC. “I thought Fox and ESPN did a great job,” he said in an e-mail message, “but I knew NBC was serious about their commitment, and they have done everything right thus far.”

For any network that shows soccer, one large financial oddity exists: there are no commercial breaks during the games — except for advertisers’ names and logos that poke out of the corner score boxes during play.

That is why NBCSN is awash in Premier League programming: pregame, halftime, postgame studio shows; game replays, previews, reviews and news shows; and the weekly “Manchester Mondays.” Some of it is seen in the wee hours, especially before games on Saturdays, Sundays and Mondays.

Seth Winter, the executive vice president of sales for NBC Sports, said improved viewership and the Premier League’s increasing appeal to young, affluent viewers 18 to 49 has helped advertisement sales.

The network’s expenses are relatively modest: it does not produce the games it televises — paying only satellite access fees — and sends announcers to only two of the six games it shows each week.

Mark Noonan, a former executive at the United States Soccer Federation and Major League Soccer, said that NBC stepped into the Premier League at an appropriate moment, with a young, multicultural audience enamored with world sport.

“I don’t even think it’s reached a tipping point,” he said. “NBC’s timing couldn’t be better.”

Saturday, September 28
Tottenham
1
Final
Chelsea
1

Southampton
2
Final
Crystal Palace
0

Hull City Tigers
1
Final
West Ham
0

Fulham
1
Final
Cardiff City
2

Aston Villa
3
Final
Man City
2

Man United
1
Final
West Brom
2

Swansea City
1
Final
Arsenal
2
 
It is fair to say they were second best yesterday.

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At least City slipped up to lessen the impact of that defeat. Shame that racist, biting, cheating little rat-faced cunt got back in business for the Scousers today. And the Arsenal won. And we couldn't make the first half pressure count and put Chelsea to bed.
 
Saturday, October 5

Man City
7:45 AM (ET)
Everton

Hull City Tigers
10:00 AM (ET)
Aston Villa

Fulham
10:00 AM (ET)
Stoke City

Liverpool
10:00 AM (ET)
Crystal Palace

Cardiff City
10:00 AM (ET)
Newcastle

Sunderland
12:30 PM (ET)
Man United

Sunday, October 6

Norwich City
8:30 AM (ET)
Chelsea

Southampton
8:30 AM (ET)
Swansea City

West Brom
11:00 AM (ET)
Arsenal

Tottenham
11:00 AM (ET)
West Ham
 
Tonight Everton beat Newcastle 3-2. I didn't see most of the game myself as I was too busy playing, but Everton lead half-time 3-0 and the extended ****** tell me it could have been far more. Two from Romelu Lukaku either side of one from young Ross Barkley. Lukaku really is Chelsea's best striker, fuck knows what Jose was thinking loaning him out. After half-time the Toon came back into it, Cabaye pulling one back and I did catch Loic Remy poking home in the last five minutes, but it was too little, too late.

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Champions League and Europa League dominate the next three nights. Man City v Bayern is obviously the tie to relish, and I really don't envy David Moyes taking his team to Donetsk to play Shaktar on the run they've been on. I expect some will still call it an upset if Shaktar beat them, but would anyone really be that shocked right now?
 
Can Sunderland(In the basement with only 1 point in the standings) win against ManU this week ?

Logically, no, of course they can't. They have a caretaker manager, several players woefully under-performing and suffering crises of confidence, they just got pounded at home by Liverpool, and man for man they don't have a single player that would make Man United's team.

Realistically, of course they can. It's football. Stranger things have happened. Bottom has beaten top (and United aren't even top) on several occasions much deeper into the season than this, such as mighty Spurs toppling unbeaten Liverpool in November 2008 and Wolves beating United themselves in January 2004 and February 2011 (on which occasion Man U were unbeaten on the day). Plus, United are coming off a terrible home defeat by the Baggies and a long trip home from Donetsk. Realistically, there has seldom been a better time to play them.

Personally, I don't care what state Man Utd are in, Sunderland have looked jaded and toothless to me so far. United should get back on track there and several players of theirs need to show up in the mood to perform on Saturday night. Too many of them have given David Moyes too little so far this season. They haven't scored a league goal in open play since the first day of the season, that needs to change pronto.

Speaking of the Baggies, I hope they do over Arsenal at home to build on last week's great win, and we need to reinforce our Champions League credentials by caning West Ham. They'd deserve it too.
 
Just thought I'd drop this in - the England squad for the final World Cup qualifiers.

A notable omission from the squad is Ashley Young (prompting "hilarious" jokes on Twitter about was he dropped or did he dive) who was an ever-present in Hodgson's team in the pre-tournament friendlies before Euro 2012 and the competition itself, off a run of scoring or playing a major part in all of England's goals for a long stretch of games. I think it's harsh considering he is a better attacking option than Milner though the latter probably scrapes through because of his versatility - i.e. if you ask him to play full-back he will without complaint. I also don't see what you need Cleverley for if you have Wilshere and Carrick.

On a personal note, I don't know if he's injured - nor do I care - but I hope the absence of Glen Johnson marks the end of him being considered. He's not what you might call... a good defender.

Goalkeepers : Forster, Hart, Ruddy
Defenders : Baines, Cahill, Cole, Jagielka, Jones, Smalling, Walker
Midfielders : Barkley, Carrick, Cleverley, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner, Townsend, Wilshere
Strikers : Defoe, Lambert, Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck

There's the interesting one. He's looked like a real prodigy since turning out every week for Everton. I'd give serious thoughts to bringing him on if a lead isn't secured by the hour mark in either qualifier, several Premier League teams have **** themselves with the ball at his feet, and I'd love to see him run at Montenegro or Poland.

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Incidentally I feel compelled to point out Lukaku laying that goal on for young Ross, in a game where he scored two goals himself. The loan signing of Lukaku and blooding of Barkley have both been masterstrokes by Martinez for Everton, who weren't exactly a bad unit before and remain the only unbeaten team in the Prem. I'd love to see them give Man City trouble tomorrow lunchtime.
 
I would have left bum face Gerrard and Sturridge out of the side along with Joe Hart. Ben Amos, Wilfried Zaha & Jesse Lingard should have been picked.
 
Saturday, October 19
Newcastle
7:45 AM (ET)
Liverpool

Swansea City
10:00 AM (ET)
Sunderland

Stoke City
10:00 AM (ET)
West Brom

Arsenal
10:00 AM (ET)
Norwich City

Chelsea
10:00 AM (ET)
Cardiff City

Everton
10:00 AM (ET)
Hull City

Man United
10:00 AM (ET)
Southampton

West Ham
12:30 PM (ET)
Man City

Sunday, October 20
Aston Villa
11:00 AM (ET)
Tottenham

Monday, October 21
Crystal Palace
3:00 PM (ET)
Fulham
 
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