2012/13 Football/Soccer Thread.

Premier League - Ten-man Sunderland hold Stoke

Premier League, Stadium of Light – Sunderland 1 (O’Shea 63) Stoke City 1 (Walters 9).

Ten-man Sunderland came from behind to draw 1-1 at home to Stoke City in a match Paulo Di Canio’s side could have won.
A terrible first half saw the relegation-threatened hosts go into half-time a goal and a man down after Jonathan Walters finished at a set-piece before Craig Gardner was shown a straight red card for a terrible tackle on Charlie Adam.
But the second half was far more engaging as, despite their numerical disadvantage, Sunderland took the game to Tony Pulis’s side, with John O'Shea finishing at a corner to draw the sides level.
Both sides missed good chances, with Black Cats defender Danny Rose hitting the post, but a draw was the fair result and one that appeared to please both coaches.
The result means Stoke are not quite mathematically safe but should stay in the top flight; Sunderland move above Norwich and Newcastle on goal difference to 15th place, three points clear of the bottom three with two matches remaining although Wigan in 18th have a game in hand.
Given Sunderland’s predicament and Stoke’s ‘style’, it was never set to be a classic example of the beautiful game, but the first half really was a dirge.
Stoke were happy to defend in numbers and occasionally knock high balls up to the triple-pronged attack of Peter Crouch, Cameron Jerome and Walters.
Sunderland were lacking a cutting edge on account of injuries to Steven Fletcher, Stephane Sessegnon and Connor Wickham. Danny Graham – who has not scored since his £5 million move from Swansea – started as a lone target man but found his midfielders reluctant to push up for flick-ons, with the exception of a lively Adam Johnson.
The only two points of interest in the opening 45 minutes were crucial though.
First Sunderland went to sleep at an Adam corner – criminal, given the Potters’ dominance at set pieces – allowing Walters to finish at the second attempt after his initial header was blocked on the line by Graham.
Gardner was at fault for letting Walters peel off him too easily, but there was worse to come from the former Aston Villa midfielder.
There had been a running battle between Gardner and Adam but there was no excuse for the former’s loss of discipline when he launched into a reckless, dangerous and potentially ankle-breaking tackle on the Scotland international.
Referee Lee Mason rightly dismissed the Black Cats midfielder, with play held up as Sunderland accused Adam of play-acting before a disgruntled fan entered the field.
Gardner will now miss the season run-in, joining a big-name list of absentees as Sunderland battle to avoid the drop.
A man and a goal down, Sunderland had it all to do but they did at least attempt to force Stoke back, but the closest they came to a shot on target was a Johnson free-kick that flew wide of Asmir Begovic’s far post.
Di Canio was brought to Sunderland for his motivation skills and he likely had some strong words at the break as his team came out with renewed vigour.
A fine Johnson cross just missed Graham, Sebastian Larsson’s pile-driver was blocked, and a superb solo run by Johnson boosted the home fans although his final shot was too close to Begovic.
Dean Whitehead then cleared off the line from O’Shea and, while Stoke occasionally threatened on the break such as when Cameron Jerome had one effort saved and another blocked, Sunderland’s equaliser was more than deserved.
Ironically enough it was rather Stoke-like in its execution, as Larsson’s excellent corner shaved the head of Whitehead to land nicely for O’Shea, who had inched away from Ryan Shawcross and drilled a low finish through Begovic.
That made for an entertaining finish as both sides had chances to win it, Simon Mignolet saving well from Whitehead and Steven NZonzi putting an overhead kick over from a corner, while for the hosts a fantastic Danny Rose drive hit the post before an excellent Johnson cross landed for an unmarked but surprised James McClean, who was unable to control it.
Both sides tired in the latter stages, and both will be equally happy with the point, but the run-in could still see anyone from 18th to 11th join Reading and QPR in the Championship.

MAN OF THE MATCH

Danny Rose (Sunderland) – Direct going forward and crisp in the tackle, the left-back could have won it for Sunderland with a fine strike off the post.

PLAYER RATINGS

SUNDERLAND: Mignolet 7, Colback 6, Rose 8, Cuellar 7, O'Shea 7, N'Diaye 7, Larsson 6, Gardner 4, Johnson 7, McClean 5, Graham 6; Subs: Vaughan NA, Bardsley NA

STOKE: Begovic 7, Shotton 7, Wilson 6, Huth 6, Shawcross 6, Whitehead 6, Adam 7, N'Zonzi 7, Walters 7, Crouch 6, Jerome 6; Subs: Cameron 6, Etherington NA, Jones NA
 
There was a massive game in the Premier League relegation dogfight last night which ended Wigan 2-3 Swansea.

With the teams tussling to avoid landing in that final relegation spot aware that they only need to end up with more points than one of their rivals, Wigan and Villa have been eying each others' results carefully, given that the two teams meet on the final day of the season at the DW. With the gap at 5 points in Villa's favour, Wigan badly needed one more win to be within catching distance of the West Midlands team when the two teams meet, and they will have fancied this as a better chance to get it than their weekend trip to the Emirates. However, despite leading twice, it was not to be.

Roger Espinoza (45+) opened the scoring in first-half injury time, volleying home Michel Vorm's punched clearance from just inside the box. Angel Rangel (50) equalized with a first-time finish from Wayne Routledge's cross that went in via the post but parity was only held until James McCarthy (53) converted from captain Gary Caldwell's through-ball. Itay Shechter (59) equalized again for the visitors with a deflected shot, and then when Shaun Maloney and James McArthur both failed to deal with Pablo Hernandez' cross, Dwight Tiendalli (76) scored the winner with a shot that really shouldn't have beaten Joel Robles. Between that goal and the howler against Gareth Bale last weekend, Ali Al-Habsi must be wondering what he's done to deserve the bench.

In essence, this now means that unless Wigan beat Arsenal at the Emirates at the weekend, the Villa are safe, even if they get beaten 8-0 again by Chelsea and Wigan beat them on the final day. Should Wigan lose to Arsenal but beat Villa they would land on 38 points, where Norwich and Newcastle both are now with only one goal between the three teams in the goal difference. Sunderland also have 38 but a much better goal difference so they might as well be on 39, as Southampton are.

I actually expect QPR (playing for pride) to beat Newcastle (currently playing like dead men), and Arsenal playing for Champions League football to pound them. In that event, Norwich can finish above Newcastle either by taking a point (or 3) from West Brom - because they won't get anything from City - or even by losing both games but by a smaller margin than Newcastle lose theirs. As I expect at least three teams to finish on 38 and possibly four, Sunderland's goal difference renders them virtually safe for me. Southampton probably feel they still have something to do on 39, but likewise if/when Wigan lose to Arsenal, they're safe too.

So, to sum up :
Sunderland stay up for me, even if they lose their last two games, because unless they receive two more kickings they have +10 better goal difference than the teams around them and I expect at least one of those teams to finish on 38.
Villa and Southampton both confirm their survival if Wigan lose to Arsenal.
Newcastle lose both their remaining games for me.
Norwich stay up given the above if they take a point off West Brom or finish with better goal difference than Newcastle.
Wigan stay up even if they lose to Arsenal as long as they beat Villa on the last day and beat Newcastle's goal difference, which I expect a win and a loss will result in a better goal difference than two straight defeats.

So, the third team relegated for me based on what I think will happen in the last two rounds of games : NEWCASTLE.
 
I'm hoping Wigan will go down. A team that cannot fill their minute stadium even when United play there have no place in the Premiership. They should just stick to Rugby League to which they also can't fill their stadium. Just a joke of a place really.
 
Stiliyan Petrov announces retirement from football

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Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov has announced his retirement from football due to his battle with leukaemia.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-villa-captain-petrov-retires-085518563.html

The Bulgarian midfielder was diagnosed with the condition in March last year and is now in remission. In a statement released by Aston Villa, the 33-year said: "It is with a heavy heart that I am announcing my retirement from the game."

Petrov, who joined Villa from Celtic in 2006, is continuing to receive treatment.

MY THOUGHTS :

While most of the (football) community of the country looks at what's going on at United today, spare a thought for Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov, who while in remission from his leukaemia, has called it a day. As a fan that went to Villa Park this season as an away fan once and a Villa-supporting neutral once and wrote on his wall of fan messages (proudly representing THFC, if you'll allow me the self-indulgence) and clapped loudly at the 19 minute mark WHICHEVER end I was stood in, I had hoped he might play the game again. His courage and dignity throughout his ordeal have affected me far more than I thought it would, and than I have admitted before today. I write this (no BS) with a tear in my eye. Get well soon Stan.


I'm hoping Wigan will go down. A team that cannot fill their minute stadium even when United play there have no place in the Premiership. They should just stick to Rugby League to which they also can't fill their stadium. Just a joke of a place really.

Having sat in both the away end and once the home end (just so I could see the game) I concur. When you sit, as I have, level with the halfway line so you're surrounded by the noise from all 4 stands, the away fans always drown out the home fans despite being outnumbered and regardless of the score. It's embarrassing. A hell of a lot of the fans that go to Wigan are Bolton or Everton fans that just want to watch Premier League football on the cheap. I'm so sick of them being shit all year, then putting together a run at the end. They're not good enough, they just get lucky when someone else collapses and they stumble upon their best 11 despite playing something completely different until the end of March. People are so quick to heap praise on Martinez for keeping them up, as if somebody else was in charge for the first 30 games, when it's his signings and his tactics that got them into trouble to begin with. If your aspiration in the Premier League is 17th every year, you don't deserve to be in it. Although if they have to stay up by taking points off L'Arsenal to allow the Yids to sneak into 4th - SO BE IT.

The real turning point for me with Latics was that prior to the Wigan/Spurs game (which I attended) they got a soprano onto the pitch to sing The Impossible Dream. No offence to her personally, but it was cheesy as fuck. It was kind of like a defining moment in my head of "Fuck me, this is Wigan Athletic is it" - the complete opposite to the chills I had at Old Trafford at the start of last season for the United-Spurs curtain raiser when the new record-time champions trotted onto the pitch for their first home game as Champions with "This Is The One" playing. Night and day.

I won't say a bad word about the people of Wigan though who are nice, honest and friendly, or Warriors, who I have attended a Super League final to watch. I think an average attendance of 16,043 last season compared to Super League average of 9,950 is pretty good for, let's be fair, still a pretty small-time sport, no matter how Sky tried to jazz it up in the mid 90s and ever since.
 
Small time sport I agree. Also a fucking heep of shit sport. One of Sky Sports embarassments and an albatross around the neck.
 
Why do so many people on this board refer to a football team in the singular as opposed to the collective? Is this another bizarre Americanism?

Examples I've read that I can recall :

"Man United is a rival team" as opposed to "are."
"PSG has built an awesome team" as opposed to "have."
"Chelsea wins" as opposed to "win."

It strikes me as being really improper language. Saying "Chelsea wins" equates to saying "they wins." Collective, plural term. Chelsea aren't one bloke!


Anyway, FUCK Chelsea.

The commentators have just been thoroughly nauseating talking about Chelsea "holding both European trophies" just because there are a few days before they have to hand over the Champions League trophy to the Bayern/Dortmund winners. They really acting as though winning both is a big deal, even though they only dropped into the Europa League because they were so monumentally shite in their attempt at defending the Champions League. It's a Mickey Mouse competition anyway, if City had beaten Wigan like they should have done in the cup final, Wigan would have gotten into the Europa League despite not winning a trophy and finishing 18th out of 20th in the Premier League, that's how prestigious the bloody Europa League is.

Also, they made a big deal about Chelsea and how "they keep on winning trophies." Yes, but they've only won one of the two trophies that the board REALLY CARE ABOUT twice in the last seven years despite spending a fuckton of money on players and managers compensation (because they keep sacking managers) when Man United in the same period have won five league titles and a Champions League, having spent comparatively little. Fuck Chelsea, for where they should be, they're a joke. It's a bad enough joke that they could run around this season calling themselves Champions Of Europe when the table last season showed they were only 3rd best team in London.
 

nightwanker

Proud first owner of FreeOnes Playing Cards
Why do so many people on this board refer to a football team in the singular as opposed to the collective? Is this another bizarre Americanism?
This is, because many people here are not native English speakers and in their languages you use singular/plural for teams in different ways
and following this do not know better.

Edit: So I guess England win, because she was the better team.
 
This is, because many people here are not native English speakers and in their languages you use singular/plural for teams in different ways
and following this do not know better.

That's OK then.

Can I also add - John Terry put shinpads on for his role in the game, which was nothing more than going to collect the trophy since he wasn't playing due to injury. WHAT A CUNT.
 
John Terry - Convicted thug, convicted racist, shop lifting mother, drug dealing uncle, and a murderer for a cousin. Brilliant. What a cunt.
 
Glad that Chelsea won, because Benfica is a sheer disgrace to football.

Now bring on the CL!

Auf geht's ihr Roten!
Let me guess : you're a FC Porto (or a Sporting Lisbonne) fan, am I wrong ?

Why do so many people on this board refer to a football team in the singular as opposed to the collective? Is this another bizarre Americanism?

Examples I've read that I can recall :

"Man United is a rival team" as opposed to "are."
"PSG has built an awesome team" as opposed to "have."
"Chelsea wins" as opposed to "win."

It strikes me as being really improper language. Saying "Chelsea wins" equates to saying "they wins." Collective, plural term. Chelsea aren't one bloke!
We consider a team as a whole., like "the gorvernment" ("is looking forward to pass a new law...")
 
If that was the game played today i was able to watch the last 10 minutes or so and yes, exciting. Gotta feel good for Robben. Was this an upset ?

No. Bayern are quite a bit better than Dortmund. They've won the Bundesliga at a canter, and of the 4 previous games between the two teams this season Dortmund had won none of them, with Bayern beating them in both the German domestic cups by scorelines of 1-0 and 2-1, although both the league games ended 1-1. Dortmund are a very good team, as evidenced by winning the Bundesliga last year and performing so well on the way to the final i.e. beating Real, and have some quality players that the other major clubs of Europe covet such as Gotze (who we already know is - heh - headed to Bayern) and Robert Lewandowski, who it sounds like will probably pick between Bayern, Man United and Chelsea in the summer. But Bayern are giants of the game and now only the German cup final stands between them and a historic first treble. As good as they looked in the Barcelona tie with Ribeiry, Gomez, Muller and Robben, I didnt even think they needed Gotze.

I confidently told all of my mates after the round of 16 that Bayern would win it all, and they laughed at me. Sadly I can only prove it as far back as a tweet just before they kicked off with Barca in the first leg proudly stating "ITV say Bayern are the favourites for tonights match but not the tie. I think they'll win the Champions League." Still looked pretty bold at the time. A lot of my friends seem to have jumped on the Dortmund bandwagon, and there's no doubt they play lovely football, but I could never see anything other than a Bayern win tonight.

I'm pleased. Pleased for Robben who had to put up with losing last year's final to the club that were wrong (in my eyes) to ever let him go. Pleased for Muller who twelve months ago thought he had scored the winning goal. Pleased for Schweinsteiger who missed the critical penalty last year. Pleased for the manager who as far as I can tell was quietly put aside for Guardiola who might now be looking at a no-win scenario : if he emulates what Heynckes did, it's because he's inherited a magnificent squad. If he doesn't, he's failed.

I'm especially pleased for Javi Martinez, who does all the unglamourous stuff in the middle of the pitch which allows all the attacking players the freedom to play such bold football. He deserves to get more games for Spain, and I'm so glad one of the game's great unsung heroes has got the biggest medal in club football.
 
I wonder how the game would have been it Gotze had been able to play...
 

feller469

Moving to a trailer in Fife, AL.
Bayern were the better side, but Dortmund played well. Both sides with chances in 2nd.
 
No. Bayern are quite a bit better than Dortmund. They've won the Bundesliga at a canter, and of the 4 previous games between the two teams this season Dortmund had won none of them, with Bayern beating them in both the German domestic cups by scorelines of 1-0 and 2-1, although both the league games ended 1-1. Dortmund are a very good team, as evidenced by winning the Bundesliga last year and performing so well on the way to the final i.e. beating Real, and have some quality players that the other major clubs of Europe covet such as Gotze (who we already know is - heh - headed to Bayern) and Robert Lewandowski, who it sounds like will probably pick between Bayern, Man United and Chelsea in the summer. But Bayern are giants of the game and now only the German cup final stands between them and a historic first treble. As good as they looked in the Barcelona tie with Ribeiry, Gomez, Muller and Robben, I didnt even think they needed Gotze.

I confidently told all of my mates after the round of 16 that Bayern would win it all, and they laughed at me. Sadly I can only prove it as far back as a tweet just before they kicked off with Barca in the first leg proudly stating "ITV say Bayern are the favourites for tonights match but not the tie. I think they'll win the Champions League." Still looked pretty bold at the time. A lot of my friends seem to have jumped on the Dortmund bandwagon, and there's no doubt they play lovely football, but I could never see anything other than a Bayern win tonight.

I'm pleased. Pleased for Robben who had to put up with losing last year's final to the club that were wrong (in my eyes) to ever let him go. Pleased for Muller who twelve months ago thought he had scored the winning goal. Pleased for Schweinsteiger who missed the critical penalty last year. Pleased for the manager who as far as I can tell was quietly put aside for Guardiola who might now be looking at a no-win scenario : if he emulates what Heynckes did, it's because he's inherited a magnificent squad. If he doesn't, he's failed.

I'm especially pleased for Javi Martinez, who does all the unglamourous stuff in the middle of the pitch which allows all the attacking players the freedom to play such bold football. He deserves to get more games for Spain, and I'm so glad one of the game's great unsung heroes has got the biggest medal in club football.


Heck, i feel good just reading everything you wrote about those players and the manager ! Wish i had watched that whole game. Was that the last one ?
 
^^^^^ I'm sure they're positively overflowing with not-giving-a-shit right now, larss.

Heck, i feel good just reading everything you wrote about those players and the manager ! Wish i had watched that whole game. Was that the last one ?

That's the last game of the season that holds any international appeal, I imagine. Tomorrow is the Championship Play-Off final between Crystal Palace and Watford at Wembley to determine who will take the final place in the Premier League next season. Probably not that interesting to anybody outside England but there's millions of £££ at stake for the winner, emotions run high and it occasionally turns out to be one of the best games of the domestic season. I think Zaha will be the difference for Palace and drag them up, even though he himself will be playing in the Prem next year anyway (he's on loan from Man United).
 
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